Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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winty said:
The way I see it is we just 'threw' the ball around a lot more back in 2010, so more players were getting more touches. Since Chris Scott's taken over, we've been more direct and tend to kick long to full forward, which would make it hard for our half forward flanks (like TV) to get as many touches as they did under Thompson.

Just looking at some other players' possessions per game in 2010 compared to last year:

Bartel - 26.3 in 2010 -> 23.3 in 2013.
Enright - 24.3 in 2010 -> 22.3 in 2013.
Kelly - 24.3 in 2010 -> 21.8 in 2013.
Mackie - 22.1 in 2010 -> 20.8 in 2013.
Selwood - 28.2 in 2010 -> 24.6 in 2013.

Those figures may be due to a change in role, or just due to the fact the over-possessing game plan has evolved into a more direct one.
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whats stokes averages in 2010 compared to this year?
 
I think it's about time Schroder had a serious chance before he's discarded like Simpkin, Varcoe's lived a charmed life for to long.
Funny though, he might dodge another bullet with Johnson missing this week but really needs to go back to the two's.
 
Whit3y said:
whats stokes averages in 2010 compared to this year?
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Stokes, Johnson, Duncan and Motlop are the only 4 I could see whose possessions per game in 2013 were higher than in 2010, and Motlop only played less than a quarter in 2010.

Stokes - 19.2 in 2010 -> 26.4 in 2013.
Johnson - 18.6 in 2010 -> 28.7 in 2013.
Duncan - 13.6 in 2010 -> 21.0 in 2013.
Motlop - 2.0 in 2010 -> 17.8 in 2013.
 

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The question of trade also raises the question of having him line up against us in the future. Would we have somebody that could cover him if he was in opposition? The answer is yes, yes and yes! Any of our mids/hf's would cover him for work rate and effort, he might have some of them for a bit of pace but that's the only area. He gives very little in a top quality side, I cant imagine how he could improve at another side to the point where he would be a major threat, in fact I wish the opposition had more unaccountable players like him, we might be doing a bit better than we currently are
 
I think this is where his true value lies. As a trade upgrade next year. E.g. Varcoe, someone else and our pick 19 for pick 6 or something.
 
We'd be selling very, very low on him. Think his value lies as a reclamation project, for us. He certainly shouldn't hold his spot in the seniors if he keeps playing like this, but as the figures show he can produce consistently at a higher (adequate) level.
 
thejester said:
We'd be selling very, very low on him. Think his value lies as a reclamation project, for us. He certainly shouldn't hold his spot in the seniors if he keeps playing like this, but as the figures show he can produce consistently at a higher (adequate) level.
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Where exactly? Only role I can see for him is a forward or back pocket. I can honestly say I have friggin idea where he is supposed to be playing now.
 
As a wing, for want of a better term. Should be running between the arcs and acting as a wide option for when we get control of the ball.
 
thejester said:
As a wing, for want of a better term. Should be running between the arcs and acting as a wide option for when we get control of the ball.
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He should really be a slightly slower version of Monica then.
 
The most encouraging thing about Varcoe over the last fortnight or so is the increasing number of sensible and respected posters who have come around to the view that he's not god's gift to football, and that his continued place in the team is a major problem.
It's a start on getting a rational discussion of his pluses and minuses, instead of the usual knee-jerk restatements of pre-ordained positions.
 
FredLeDeux said:
The most encouraging thing about Varcoe over the last fortnight or so is the increasing number of sensible and respected posters who have come around to the view that he's not god's gift to football, and that his continued place in the team is a major problem.
It's a start on getting a rational discussion of his pluses and minuses, instead of the usual knee-jerk restatements of pre-ordained positions.
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Enter the Varcoe hatter:D:D:D
:oops:Sorry that's not me,M.B's my man ignore the above.
 
you pick one said:
Enter the Varcoe hatter:D:D:D
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Hatter?
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This whole unending discussion boils down to who replaces him.

Maybe pick some good kids in the draft e.g Lang and Jensen and replace Varcoe and get better results.

Not his year ............so support our boy.
 
FredLeDeux said:
It's a start on getting a rational discussion of his pluses and minuses, instead of the usual knee-jerk restatements of pre-ordained positions.
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exhibit a:p:D:

meto said:
I think it's about time Schroder had a serious chance before he's discarded like Simpkin, Varcoe's lived a charmed life for to long.
Funny though, he might dodge another bullet with Johnson missing this week but really needs to go back to the two's.
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thejester said:
We'd be selling very, very low on him. Think his value lies as a reclamation project, for us.
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Exactly my sentiments. Trading someone we know is capable of producing high quality football - at a time when the list is in a transitional phase and we're steadily losing experienced heads and replacing them with unknown quantities who have yet to properly prove themselves up to standard - for nothing more than a third round pick (for example) would be a colossally stupid act of self-sabotage. Keeping him is an absolute must.

As far as his form is concerned, clearly he's horribly out of touch, and I would prefer to be able to drop him, but IMO we don't have the depth to allow us that luxury. If I rated Schroder, Stringer et al more highly than I do, I would fully endorse picking them over Varcoe. As it stands, though, I see a greater benefit for us in persevering with Varcoe than I do in giving games to any one of our VFL mids. When Caddy and Christensen come back that situation may change.
 
winty said:
The way I see it is we just 'threw' the ball around a lot more back in 2010, so more players were getting more touches. Since Chris Scott's taken over, we've been more direct and tend to kick long to full forward, which would make it hard for our half forward flanks (like TV) to get as many touches as they did under Thompson.

Just looking at some other players' possessions per game in 2010 compared to last year:

Bartel - 26.3 in 2010 -> 23.3 in 2013.
Enright - 24.3 in 2010 -> 22.3 in 2013.
Kelly - 24.3 in 2010 -> 21.8 in 2013.
Mackie - 22.1 in 2010 -> 20.8 in 2013.
Selwood - 28.2 in 2010 -> 24.6 in 2013.

Those figures may be due to a change in role, or just due to the fact the over-possessing game plan has evolved into a more direct one.
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Stats aren't everything but I think SJ's Chart and Wintys' Table are quite damning when it comes to Travis
Based on where he plays he is around the footy enough to average in the early 20's or at least high teens ( if he kicks a few or sets some up) but he falls well short of that. It's so frustrating as he can be so , so good but it's time he was viewed on his current output not on past glories.
He's 26 and should be in his prime , maybe a spell in the 2's is what he needs to get his mojo back...........that worked for Mackie
 
Who would you bring in for him, as bad as his form is the problem is that no one is forcing him out at the moment. Who is our in form outside mid in the VFL.
 
10lana said:
Who would you bring in for him, as bad as his form is the problem is that no one is forcing him out at the moment. Who is our in form outside mid in the VFL.
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Jordan Schroder got 25-26 possessions last week and has been getting big numbers this year, or a reshuffle for Jackson Thurlow would also be a good thing for Varcoe. The return of Bundy and Caddy should definitely do the trick if all else fails.
Of course he might still turn the corner one of these years, it's been since midpoint last year so I wouldn't be holding your breath. :D
 
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While I agree Jordan Schroder should get a run sooner rather than later he is the antithesis of an inside mid and especially to the role varoce plays and while I like Thurlow, his game against port wasn't any thing special and from all reports his form in the VFL has been good but not great.

I am also really worried that Christensen and Caddy might suffer the same form issues that Motlop face, especially if they';re not enough given time to build up form in the 2nds. Unfortunately the cupboards a little bare at the moment, if there was an obvious switch he would have been dropped by now.
 

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