Treatment of Skinner

[StringyDog]

When it was clear in the mid nineties that Rhode couldn't coach to save himself and was 'killing' the club

I believe we'd go a longer way to becoming a better club if we have more 'passionate' supporters and not most of the muppets that I continually talk to and see at games every week.

You are making yourself look more idiotic by the post, starting to actually feel a bit sorry for you now.

 

[jeemak]

No, I disagree, what we don't need is all these muppet supporters that keep accepting 2nd best for our club and keep their mouth shut and don't vent their passion out in the open. When it was clear in the mid nineties that Rhode couldn't coach to save himself and was 'killing' the club, there was a few of us 'passionate' supporters who were about to start a big petition amongst the members to oust him.

It might yet happen to Eade as well. Although, I don't think Eade is all the blame for our poor form atm, I believe we'd go a longer way to becoming a better club if we have more 'passionate' supporters and not most of the muppets that I continually talk to and see at games every week.

If you're a legitimate poster you need to pull your head in chief, and stop calling people who disagree with you brainless muppets.

You also need to have a think about the content of your posts. Take the above as a good example, and the time at which you claim Rhode was at the club.

Just some food for thought.

 

[Igloo]

You are making yourself look more idiotic by the post, starting to actually feel a bit sorry for you now.

Beat me to it Griff.

 

[divvydan]

No problem with the treatment of Skinner in my opinion.

We all know he doesn't yet have the endurance to play a full game at AFL level so playing him for a full game was never really an option (unless forced upon them). He was given a taste for what's required at the level and found it tough, now he goes back to the VFL with a greater understanding of what he needs to do in order to make it at AFL level.

I know people have been upset with the use of first gamers as subs but we're far from the only club doing that. The main problem is that we're losing and because of that, fingers get pointed at every decision. I'm sure if we had won the match this wouldn't even be an issue being discussed.

It's true that bringing a player in too early can have a negative effect on that player's confidence and longer term output, however, i'm sure these factors are all taken into account when making the decision on who to play and even then, sometimes players have to play before they are ready due to injuries.

By all means be upset with our performance but the problem isn't with playing Skinner as a sub for a week, it's clearly far bigger than that.

 

[tonydean]

You are making yourself look more idiotic by the post, starting to actually feel a bit sorry for you now.

Ok Griff, so how am I making myself look idiotic if I think Peter Rhode wasn't a coaches bootlace. Are you saying you thought he was a good coach? Geez...

 

[Igloo]

Ok Griff, so how am I making myself look idiotic if I think Peter Rhode wasn't a coaches bootlace. Are you saying you thought he was a good coach? Geez...

Try the 2000's. Not mid 90's.

BUT, I think we can all agree he was a terrible coach.

 

[tonydean]

Try the 2000's. Not mid 90's.

BUT, I think we can all agree he was a terrible coach.

Sorry, made a mistake and have since edited the date in the previous post. Mid 2000's. Well, at least we agree on something lol

 

[BWFC]

Mid Nineties LOL what a muppet.

I don't have such a problem with it. He was given a taste but the MC obviously think someone else will do a better job. I watched the WIlly game last week and thought DJ deserved a game. I think its time we start taking about the treatment of Brodie Moles and asking why he doesn't get a proper shot in the middle of the park.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Ok let's be realistic here....

1. Of all the players listed last week who do you really think should have been sitting on the bench for 3/4 instead of Skinner. Moles was the sub the week before. Wallis? Who? Don't do this exercise in hindsight, think about it before the game started.

Skinner was the obvious choice as clearly the 22nd man in the team that week. I would also doubt he'd see through a full half or 3/4 anyway.

2. Skinner was lucky to be given a game in the first place. I like him a lot and I reckon he's got a future, but he's not fully ready yet. The MC think the same and they gave him a taste of the big time. But to keep him in this week, I think would have been a mistake. We can win this game we need our best possible team.

PS....It is a long bow to suggest there is some poor treatment at the club based on race...that is a ridiculous statement....Stack, Hill, Jones all say hello!

 

[Unnamed1]

PS....It is a long bow to suggest there is some poor treatment at the club based on race...that is a ridiculous statement....Stack, Hill, Jones all say hello!

OK then understood, but let me re-phrase..

I'm not saying we handle them badly, I'm think we don't tend to handle them well.

To bolster this, I don't think our club has a legacy of great indigenous players like other clubs do.. can anyone name one or two greats?

 

[dogwatch]

Ok let's be realistic here....

1. Of all the players listed last week who do you really think should have been sitting on the bench for 3/4 instead of Skinner. Moles was the sub the week before. Wallis? Who? Don't do this exercise in hindsight, think about it before the game started.

Skinner was the obvious choice as clearly the 22nd man in the team that week. I would also doubt he'd see through a full half or 3/4 anyway.

TK, I did this at the time (before the match). I'd have started Skinner and had Stack or Gilbee as sub.

If Skinner really wasn't up to a full match he should never have been introduced for such an important game. What if a player had torn a hammy in the first 5 minutes? He would have had to play the full match.

OK then understood, but let me re-phrase..

I'm not saying we handle them badly, I'm think we don't tend to handle them well.

To bolster this, I don't think our club has a legacy of great indigenous players like other clubs do.. can anyone name one or two greats?

Well the most obvious would be Michael "Magic" McLean or Lally Bamblett. I don't rate Bamblett as highly as some others do here, but Magic played about 80 games for us and earned his nickname with some justification while playing for us. You may say we mismanaged him because he went to Brisbane but I think that's a poor reading of it.

It's like Harbrow. Good player. He didn't hate his time here. We gave him his start and he really enjoyed it but he had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go back to Qld on big bucks and you can't blame him for taking it.

I think it comes down to luck. We just haven't snagged an out and out champ like Farmer, Winmar (in his youth) or McLeod. But we've still had some good ones.

By the same logic you could equally say we haven't been crash hot with Irish players but again it's just the luck of the draw. In our case we lost the toss with Sydney and they got Tadgh Kennelly and we got ... some other bloke whose name I can't remember ...and who didn't make the grade.

 

[TempleKelvington]

TK, I did this at the time (before the match). I'd have started Skinner and had Stack or Gilbee as sub.

If Skinner really wasn't up to a full match he should never have been introduced for such an important game. What if a player had torn a hammy in the first 5 minutes? He would have had to play the full match.

Spot on DW he shouldn't have been selected in my opinion based on form and fitness. But you know what I actually have no issue that they did, because he's had a taste of it now and he'll be better for having the experience...I think that is what is was all about. He's an exciting prospect and now he knows a bit more about what it takes at the top level.....positive result, he knows we think highly of him and he will work extra hard to get back.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

OK then understood, but let me re-phrase..

I'm not saying we handle them badly, I'm think we don't tend to handle them well.

To bolster this, I don't think our club has a legacy of great indigenous players like other clubs do.. can anyone name one or two greats?

The club treats indigenous players the way they treat every other player. It boggles my mind that race was even mentioned as an issue in this thread.

 

[#14Ward]

The club is trembling in its boots that one of its fair weather supporters is threatening to walk out in a fit of petulant pique. It's never happened before!

Wardy, we get these calls every year. I understand your frustration and you should feel free to express it here, but if you love the club you won't walk.

And if you do walk ... well we don't need that type of supporter anyway.

Conditional supporter are you?
I can't think of any reason why I would walk out on the club but certainly Eade being there next year or not wouldn't be a deciding factor.

18 years member, at every melbourne game, no matter what ladder position for the past 6 years, donated to the club... hardly call that fair weather mate.

 

[StringyDog]

18 years member, at every melbourne game, no matter what ladder position for the past 6 years, donated to the club... hardly call that fair weather mate.

Anyone who claims they will walk away from club because of coach a or player b is there is fair weather, you support the club not the people working their at a particular point in time, I'm sorry but it is one of the weakest things a "supporter" can say.

 

[Werewolf]

Could be worse Griffy. Some Crows posters want the Gold Coast to win tomorrow so Craig can get sacked!

 

[FishCreekBandit]

In terms of Race our club is one of the leaders in programs for our indigenous players and have a long history of very talented boys coming down from rural NT. I have a strong connection with the #18 and the last 2 have been Falkner and Stack and having talked to both guys a fair few times its clear that they are looked after bloody well, in fact probably better then the other boys.

 

[Spiritof82]

The club treats indigenous players the way they treat every other player. It boggles my mind that race was even mentioned as an issue in this thread.

Correct, why should they be treated any different to any other player in the club, they should be judged on their football ability only and if they aren't good enough or don't provided an even team set up, who cares if they come from Ireland, Fiji, China, Japan or Australia (although at the moment there seems to be two races of Australian's), they deserve to be dropped.

 

[FishCreekBandit]

Correct, why should they be treated any different to any other player in the club, they should be judged on their football ability only and if they aren't good enough or don't provided an even team set up, who cares if they come from Ireland, Fiji, China, Japan or Australia (although at the moment there seems to be two races of Australian's), they deserve to be dropped.

They are treated a little different because a lot of them have not been put through the same sort of programs that the normal TAC player has. When you bring down a kid like Skinner/Thorne etc you have to provide a greater level of care.

Im worried that if we rush Skinner we will wreck what could be an amazing football talent.

 

[nicko77]

I saw the debut of Skinner with my own two eyes in Canberra last week and he is a long way from being ready for AFL standard. He looked like he needs 10-12 hard, consistent performances at VFL level before I'd even consider him for selection again. Selection committee has made the right call.

He had no idea where to run, was often well off his man when defending and doesn't have the pace of the game. He looked exhausted after 30 mins!!

Albeit could be a decent player given time to develop.

 

[Mr. Walker]

The club treats indigenous players the way they treat every other player. It boggles my mind that race was even mentioned as an issue in this thread.

Its off topic and has been done before but - i think the problem we are worse at player development than the other clubs whatever the race of the player.

 

[dogwatch]

Its off topic and has been done before but - i think the problem we are worse at player development than the other clubs whatever the race of the player.

Could you give some examples Mr W? Are we really that bad? Most clubs stuff up from time to time.

 

[search]

The club is a great developer of smaller midfield type players, whereas with our talls they are shocking. For example.
Patrick wiggins top 30 pick
Patrick Bowden (was soft though)
A. Everitt top 10 pick
Tim Walsh top 5 pick
Ayce Cordy top 20 pick
Adam Morgan
Scott Bassett

We all wonder why haven't we had a power forward and when its too late we get Barry hall. Maybe if time and resources were spent better into players over 190cm we may have already got ourselves a permiership or at least a grand final appearance. Years of cost cutting and bad player management are still hurting us, hopefully from now the next generation and off field success will set a great platform the club can grow from.

 

[OldSchool]

18 years member, at every melbourne game, no matter what ladder position for the past 6 years, donated to the club... hardly call that fair weather mate.

Never said you were a fair weather supporter but you did put conditions of if you will be a 19 year member.

Anyone who claims they will walk away from club because of coach a or player b is there is fair weather, you support the club not the people working their at a particular point in time, I'm sorry but it is one of the weakest things a "supporter" can say.

Agreed. I understand that people get frustrated but really if a membership is linked to if Eade is the coach or not next season it is an overly emotional reason.

 

[Igloo]

The club is a great developer of smaller midfield type players, whereas with our talls they are shocking. For example.
Patrick wiggins top 30 pick
Patrick Bowden (was soft though)
A. Everitt top 10 pick
Tim Walsh top 5 pick
Ayce Cordy top 20 pick
Adam Morgan
Scott Bassett

We all wonder why haven't we had a power forward and when its too late we get Barry hall. Maybe if time and resources were spent better into players over 190cm we may have already got ourselves a permiership or at least a grand final appearance. Years of cost cutting and bad player management are still hurting us, hopefully from now the next generation and off field success will set a great platform the club can grow from.

Bit harsh on Ayce. Hasn't had a shot yet, since he was built like a string bean. See how he goes once he gets a game to judge.

Agree on what you said though, we don't do to well with our talls.