MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

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due for long stint on the sidelines after nasty hit on Jy Simpkin

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Christ. If spp gets 4 weeks then this has to be AT LEAST 6. It won't be though, because, AFL.

 

[Tibbs]

WATCH: Jimmy Webster due for long stint on the sidelines after nasty hit on Jy Simpkin

Christ. If spp gets 4 weeks then this has to be AT LEAST 6. It won't be though, because, AFL.

That is a shocker! Had no other intention other than to bump/shoulder charge. Didnt attempt a spoil, or a tackle, and there was no defensive action! He actually plants his right foot and deliberately angles INTO Simpkin, driving with his shoulder.

The guy must have been in a bunker the last few weeks and not seen the Brayshaw/SPP dramas!

 

[tribey]

Wonder if Uncle Rupe is gonna run with the whole “piece of sh¡t” angle or do they just reserve that for players of a certain background?

 

[PowerBaz]

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Wonder if Uncle Rupe is gonna run with the whole “piece of sh¡t” angle or do they just reserve that for players of a certain background?

'Bloke from good Vic team remorseful send flowers' fine...

 

[PowerBaz]

Maybe he can use the Maynard excuse that because he was mid-air he couldn't change his direction?

 

[PowerBaz]

 

[just_kick_it]

Webster under the microscope for high bump on Roos gun

The incident comes less than a week after Port Adelaide forward Sam Powell-Pepper was handed a four-match ban his high bump on Adelaide's Mark Keane.

The Powell-Pepper incident was graded careless, severe impact and high contact by the MRO and sent straight to the Tribunal, which returned a finding of four games.

so Pep got graded careless, severe impact and high contact and got 4 games (really 5 games)
Webster needs to be graded INTENTIONAL, severe impact and high contact so 6 games at a bare minimum but 8 matches is fair IMO

 

[Brian McGee]

10 weeks is a ridiculous call from king. Sensationalist dick head.

 

[Buget]

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That is a shocker! Had no other intention other than to bump/shoulder charge. Didnt attempt a spoil, or a tackle, and there was no defensive action! He actually plants his right foot and deliberately angles INTO Simpkin, driving with his shoulder.

The guy must have been in a bunker the last few weeks and not seen the Brayshaw/SPP dramas!

SPP got 4 after his bump being was rated as careless (although the tribunal made it sound pretty deliberate), that bump has to be graded as intention, high contact, high impact.

• Webster elected to bump from a long range and left the ground. it wasn’t like SPP’s where the Rioli tackle influenced the situation.
• Simpkin was removed from the game.

Under the AFL guidelines “high impact” means (from my very quick google, so it may have been updated) “Major impact on the player, and / or Was not able to participate in the remainder of the game, and / or major ongoing issues that require medical intervention and / or May miss some matches.”

Has to at a minimum, direct referral to the tribunal for 6+ games.

 

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due for long stint on the sidelines after nasty hit on Jy Simpkin

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Jy Simpkin

Age

26

Ht

183cm

Wt

77kg

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M/F

Career

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16.0

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2.0

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10.0

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5.6

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2.8

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Christ. If spp gets 4 weeks then this has to be AT LEAST 6. It won't be though, because, AFL.

They all crucified pep for an unintentional collision, this is off the charts. 8 weeks


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[Macca19]

If the AFL is serious, that's 8 weeks.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Yep, 8 weeks if they're serious.

 

[elsler]

there not bet he gets 4

 

[Troopsy]

Hopefully that is at least 6 weeks. Preferably 8.

 

[El_Scorcho]

While I feel awful for Simpkin for getting hit, I'm glad we've got another one so quickly to cement the precedent, and much worse in this case.

As a lot of us said last week, if SPP's was severe impact, you're not leaving yourself a category for the really bad ones. Well, here it is.

Can't be argued he was reasonably trying to contest the ball, he left the ground, a much bigger impact. This is as bad as a bump gets. I don't think it's unreasonable to call it twice as bad.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

It's generous calling that a bump. It's a shoulder charge to the head.

 

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[Festerz]

It's generous calling that a bump. It's a shoulder charge to the head.

Yep - last year's Kysaiah Pickett bump aside, its an action that should have got a couple of weeks even a decade ago.

Far, far worse than the SPP bump and I agree totally with what Bucks is saying - by giving SPP 4 weeks for his careless bump they have no option than to give Webster 6+. (assuming consistency matters)

Fortunately for AFL House it isn't a top tier Victorian player.

Funny - not a peep from Jon Ralph.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Bucks knows his footy. Exactly the arguments we were making last week (if this is 4, what's leaving the ground and KOing someone?), and we've now had one of the really bad incidents we warned about just a week later.

 

[VineValerian]

Worse on so many levels than SPP.
Giving him such a high penalty leaves them with nowhere to go but 7-8 weeks for this dude.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Bucks knows his footy. Exactly the arguments we were making last week (if this is 4, what's leaving the ground and KOing someone?), and we've now had one of the really bad incidents we warned about just a week later.

%. The moral crusaders thought it was a fantastic idea to use SPP as a poster child to end world hunger, ummm I mean concussion. Just two weeks later Jimmy Webster gives everyone a free history lesson of 80s football by trying to get Simpkin medivaced to the nearest ICU.

This was the correct incident to set the bar, as it was in every way magnitudes worse then Sam’s hit.

 

[RossFC]

Anything less than 7 is light.

 

[It Just Is]

Not dissimilar to Pickett (2 weeks) and De Goey (3 weeks) last year but the new SPP watermark doesn’t leave much wriggle room for the AFL. Has to be notably more than 4 weeks now.

What’s the average concussions per round? 2+? This is on the worst end of the spectrum but it’s a topic that will keep recurring throughout the year give there are seemingly no degrees of culpability anymore.

It’s actually an interesting test case because I feel SPP is the low band for a bump that causes concussion and this will likely set the high band.

 

[Buget]

It’s interesting reading the main board tribunal thread on this.

No one is defending Webster. Most people sighting SPP and that this is worse, calling it 6+.

I have little confidence in the tribunal though. If the AFL want to get serious, anything under 6 needs to be appealed by them.

 

[Festerz]

Bucks knows his footy. Exactly the arguments we were making last week (if this is 4, what's leaving the ground and KOing someone?), and we've now had one of the really bad incidents we warned about just a week later.

Yep.

As I said just 4 days ago:

Handing out increasingly severe match penalties to individual players for split second careless decisions in a high impact contact sport has nothing to do with eliminating concussions in our game. It's about giving those involved in the sport - officials, administrators, journalists, supporters etc. - a feel good vibe like they are actually doing something about the frightening rise in permanent brain damage.

So we've now raised the bar for such incidents from 2-3 games to 4. What happens if it keeps happening (which it will)? Do we raise the penalty for such incidents to 6 games? then 10?

And my view today is this.

Had the Webster hit happened last week - the week after the retirement of Brayshaw from the game due to concussion complications - then the AFL would have argued for a 5 week penalty and the Tribunal would have agreed and everyone would have said 'geez that's harsh compared to last year but fair enough given the intent and the severe impact'.

And had the SPP bump happened this week - then the AFL would have argued for a 3 week penalty and the Tribunal maybe would have agreed and everyone would have said 'fair enough - it was careless and SPP had other options but a concussion resulted - but it was clear that SPP did not intend to harm Keane, unlike the Webster hit'

But the AFL have backed themselves into a corner now - they chose to use the SPP careless bump as the line in the sand and benchmark for future concussion incidents when anyone but a fool would have known a far more severe and intentional bump would happen sooner or later. As it turned out it took just over a week for that more severe and intentional bump to occur.

Webster getting anything less than 6+ weeks is simply unacceptable given what was dished out to SPP.

We haven't even started playing for keeps yet and yet another 'line in the sand' is going to be set by the AFL. How many weeks before that line is crossed and new line is drawn?

And how will the AFL and its Tribunal react if that player who crosses the new line is a revered high profile star of a top Victorian team in the lead up to a final/Grand Final?