Troy Menzel

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FWIW, a Hun article says Dogs are willing to take a risk on Tenzel with pick 6
The Bulldogs are poised to add the speed and polish they crave by using pick No. 5 on Jono O'Rourke, a slick ball-user from Calder Cannons, and are happy to roll the dice on agile half-forward Troy Menzel at No. 6.
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If that happened you'd think there's a strong chance Vlastuin could slide to us, which would be excellent.
 

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Emma Quayle tweeted that GWS has re-interviewed Menzal and could use Pick 3 on him

Some draft whispers. GWS has re-interviewed Troy Menzel, chance for no. 3. Brodie Grundy a chance to get to Giants at 14 if Port passes @ 7[/quopte]
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If it's not us, I hope he lands at the Giants.
He will be easier to get back in 2 years from there than anywhere else, and I reckon it's a chance.
If the dogs take him as reported with a high pick for instance that would be hard work.
 
Where does Tippet fit into the ND situation. Will GWS have to burn a pick to nominate him?

Does that help us in any way with Tenzel or other?

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Tippett has not nominated for the ND so he will get picked in the PSD. Looks like Menzel is a certain top6 pick now but Jake Stringer a genuine chance of falling to us at p16.
 
dazbroncos said:
Does that help us in any way with Tenzel or other?
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probably not Tenzel if the recent articles are anything to go by.
Seems he may go inside the top 10, although it's all just rumor and innuendo now we are only a week away from draft day and teams are beginning to show their cards.
I stated earlier that this years draft seems to be pretty strong so that's good news for us as we may end up snagging someone of exceptional quality like a Clurey, Vlastuin or Stringer.
 
If GWS don't get him, I think he'll slide to us. Would be pretty hard justifying to the board picking a guy who has had two knee recos if you're port or the dogs etc
 
manboob said:
If GWS don't get him, I think he'll slide to us. Would be pretty hard justifying to the board picking a guy who has had two knee recos if you're port or the dogs etc
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I agree, I think it's GWS or us. The problem though is that GWS have five picks ahead of so may be more prepared to take a risk than they would be otherwise.
 
manboob said:
If GWS don't get him, I think he'll slide to us. Would be pretty hard justifying to the board picking a guy who has had two knee recos if you're port or the dogs etc
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When did he have 2 recos?
 
The rabbi said:
When did he have 2 recos?
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I thought he'd only had one, but it was regarded as a near certainty that he's going to need it re-done at least once and possibly twice.
One recruiter said but does it really matter if he only misses 2 years in a 10-year career?
It does if you're him, that's for sure; and it would hurt some clubs more than others.
 

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FredLeDeux said:
I thought he'd only had one, but it was regarded as a near certainty that he's going to need it re-done at least once and possibly twice.
One recruiter said but does it really matter if he only misses 2 years in a 10-year career?
It does if you're him, that's for sure; and it would hurt some clubs more than others.
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Thats a really weird thing to say IMO.
Yes to miss 2 years could be huge, infact to the point it could COST him that "10 year career".
Or it could reduce his output in that career. Geez what a dumb comment. (the recruiter not you Fred :p)
 
Senatorguesty said:
Thats a really weird thing to say IMO.
Yes to miss 2 years could be huge, infact to the point it could COST him that "10 year career".
Or it could reduce his output in that career. Geez what a dumb comment. (the recruiter not you Fred :p)
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Yes, I literally (actually literally, not metaphorically) felt a chill when I read that, I thought it was a new low in "realpolitik recruiting", a throwback to Gordon Gecko.
 
FredLeDeux said:
Yes, I literally (actually literally, not metaphorically) felt a chill when I read that, I thought it was a new low in "realpolitik recruiting", a throwback to Gordon Gecko.
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Same.
Very strange.
I'm not saying he shouldnt be recruited of course, the guy is a serious talent but to say "who cares if he does 2 kness if he plays 10 years" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Lets even look at Denzel, hes only missed 1 year and its cost him so much in development, lets think about his 2011 and say he had the natural improvement that guys in his draft have had (Bundy and Duncan, Vardy and Cowen not counted in this) we could rightly expect that he would cement a spot in our top 12 next year. Now that he did the knee and missed all of last year all we can expect is to PLAY 12 GAMES.
Imagine if he does a knee early next year (pre-season early). Imagine the loss of development then! Something like that threatens careers.
It would reduce his output drastically even if he could come back ok after that.
Or would it be worse if he played 1 or 2 years after the first reco, gets somewhere near his peak then breaks down with another knee? All of a sudden hes a 27 year old fringe player who missed his peak years due to a knee.
Think of the impact on Stoneham when he broke his leg, pre-injury he was being compared to Carey that year. If he didnt break the leg and continued in that form he could have been one of our greats (although of course hes still a champion!).
Again, strange comment.
 
Belisarius said:
Not sure if medicine has progressed since the 1980's and today re broken legs - but Stoneham was a seriously good CHF and never was the same again after that broken leg.
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Thats my point. A player cut down in his prime with a serious injury who never recaptured that form.
Same could happen to Tenzel (I absolutely hope for his sake and AFLs that it doesnt happen).
 
dazbroncos said:
Where does Tippet fit into the ND situation. Will GWS have to burn a pick to nominate him?

Does that help us in any way with Tenzel or other?

Go Catters
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tippet is unable to be de-listed while the investigation continues, which means he won't be in the national draft. he'll most likely be in the pre-season draft
 
Senatorguesty said:
Luckily James Kelly did.
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Well, yes and no, he certainly became an outstanding player for us, first as a defender and then as a tough inside mid, but it took him longer than looked likely before the break; and he never regained his initial heights as a creative player, ahead of Bartel and Ablett as he was early on.
 
FredLeDeux said:
Well, yes and no, he certainly became an outstanding player for us, first as a defender and then as a tough inside mid, but it took him longer than looked likely before the break; and he never regained his initial heights as a creative player, ahead of Bartel and Ablett as he was early on.
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I agreed he showed more early but I'm not sure his ceiling was/is as high as Bartel and Ablett.
Maybe he just standed a bit closer than they did?
Still will retire one of the great players of this era.
But agreed, who knows if he didnt break his leg what kind of player he would have become.
 
FredLeDeux said:
I thought he'd only had one, but it was regarded as a near certainty that he's going to need it re-done at least once and possibly twice.
One recruiter said but does it really matter if he only misses 2 years in a 10-year career?
It does if you're him, that's for sure; and it would hurt some clubs more than others.
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How were Joel Selwood's injuries looked at pre-draft? Did he not drop from top 5 (or higher) to where we got him at 7 because of the medical reports every club's recruiting team must have read through?
 
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