Tyson Goldsack's Development

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Hey Maggies - a few years ago i posted on here about how I thought your young developing backline would become a tour de force in a few years.

And although your backline is coming along nicely, I was just curious to see what the hell was happening with Goldsack. I was ready to annoint him the new Guy McKenna - but he seemed to have a dip in form and was dropped.

Is he out of favour or just struggling in the magoos? I rate(d) him highly and is someone had told me a few years ago he wouldn't even be in the best 22 I would have laughed.
 
Tyson had a bout of viral meningitis just prior to Round 1. He resumed a couple of weeks later, but has since disappeared and is not listed on the injury list. I presume his absence is sickness related. Basically just a horror year and I presume we are just trying to get him healthy.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
Is he out of favour or just struggling in the magoos? I rate(d) him highly and is someone had told me a few years ago he wouldn't even be in the best 22 I would have laughed.
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Physically, he's a fine prospect, with KP height, very good pace and solid co-ordination.

Unfortunately, he's very much in the Jaymie Graham/Brent Staker mould. Ideally suited to being a tall HBFer, but lacks the ability to get enough of the ball and the ability to shut down players that are good at ground level.

At KPD he's not nearly strong enough, nor focused enough really.

Which basically makes him a tall unaccountable running player who doesn't get a heap of the ball.

edit: Should also mention he's a terrific tackler, to give a complete picture.
 

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mdc said:
Physically, he's a fine prospect, with KP height, very good pace and solid co-ordination.

Unfortunately, he's very much in the Jaymie Graham/Brent Staker mould. Ideally suited to being a tall HBFer, but lacks the ability to get enough of the ball and the ability to shut down players that are good at ground level.

At KPD he's not nearly strong enough, nor focused enough really.

Which basically makes him a tall unaccountable running player who doesn't get a heap of the ball.

edit: Should also mention he's a terrific tackler, to give a complete picture.
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I also found his Disposal can be Iffy at Times too
 
His kicking is technically good, but his decision making is very poor.

He reminds me of a young Maxwell. Tall, but doesn't play tall, athletic, terrific intensity and work ethic, a bit fumbly, ordinary one on one, doesn't make great position offensively, doesn't use the ball very well. Essentially I see him as a defender who would be great to have alongside you as his intensity and work ethic would make your job easier. But his man would quite like to play on him, because he's very susceptible defensively, and he doesn't hurt you the other way.

Significantly he, like Maxwell, has shown the ability to lift for finals. I thought that he was very good during the finals last year. I think that, like Maxwell, he will end up becoming a very good player, but I suspect that it may be at another club. With Maxwell already in the team, he offers far less than Johnson, Shaw, OBrien and Toovey. If I was him, I'd be looking elsewhere, as I think that for the next couple of years he'll be depth at the pies, barring a serious injury or two.
 
Disagree mdc.

Comparing The Sack to Graham/Staker is way off.

Goldsack is very good defensively. In fact, he handles himself extremely well 1-on-1 as this is one of his strengths IMO which makes him a very good accountable defender. I do agree that he probably doesn't get enough of it but as his primary role is to defend, he does this very well- evident with his performances in the twos over the last 3-4 weeks.

He is also capable of playing on a range of opponents- tall or small and has enormous courage and very good overhead ability (spoil or mark). Great closing speed too which makes him tough to beat.

I like the Maxwell comparison and see him as a real prospect for us going forward. In fact, he could quite easily be getting games in our best 22 if fully fit.
 
Lockyer24 said:
Tyson had a bout of viral meningitis just prior to Round 1. He resumed a couple of weeks later, but has since disappeared and is not listed on the injury list. I presume his absence is sickness related. Basically just a horror year and I presume we are just trying to get him healthy.
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Ah yes that would be it..... forgot he was sick at the start of the season.
 
The truth is he plays a very similar game style to Harry O'Brien (Can play both tall and small) but doesn't executive as well.

Harry has rarely missed a game over the past couple of seasons and that's why Goldsack is on the outer.

I can see him moving on due to a lack of opportunities.
 
He looked in good form this year , after recovering from meningitis. I thought he looked a bit tired, grumpy and out of it last year.
Apparently has a leg strain , not sure if calf or quad and has missed the last couple.
I think GC are in to him.
 
Aerially I think Goldsack is very good. At the spoil seems to not let the opponent get too far in front and has Mr Tickle type reach. Think he spoils better than Rambo, but isn't as strong. He has a bit of dash and probably provides more on the rebound than Rambo.

I think he is a good prospect and we'd do well to keep him around. Once Presti retires, we'll have Rambo as more of a shut-down type player, but think $ bags has something to offer in this dept too.
 
There was a good reason he was offered up in the Luke Ball trade - we are simply bursting at the seams with quality young defenders. Luckily they were too stupid to accept the trade because they though Zac Dawson was the reincarnation of Christ. Combine that with an interrupted season and he hasnt had a good trot of late.

Cant see how he can force his way into the side ahead of any of our current starting six. He's clearly a quality player but he's our 7th best defender at the moment. And thats not counting Presti or Leigh Brown or any of our midfielders like Johnson and Thomas who play back at times.

Probably needs to find opportunites elsewhere.
 

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He's a bit of an enigma defensively. I've seen games where he has absolutely smashed it and others where he was totally imcompetant. I think it's just an issue of concentration. I didn't think he could ever make as a KPD but some of his games last year made me re-assess. Really I think he could go either way.
 
I didn't mean to open a can of worms, however a few years back he looked really promising (as did o'brien).

It just seems as though he's fallen off the pace.

Perhaps it was the fact i don't watch every magpie game - however the ones i saw him in - he was a quality young defender.

I wouldn't have him on the page of staker/graham mainly because both of those footballers were loose ball footballers - but not so great in a contest.

Graham may have developed that side of his game, but unfortunately he had much bigger commitments than footy so was forced to retire.

FWIW - never saw him as a KPD - more a taller back pocket who could play on a range of players.
 
He would make a decent rangey full back if he could build up enough bulk to handle one on one's better.

His pace and reach are quite good.

But he seems to be like Maxwell in that he will never be a tank.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
I didn't mean to open a can of worms, however a few years back he looked really promising (as did o'brien).

It just seems as though he's fallen off the pace.

Perhaps it was the fact i don't watch every magpie game - however the ones i saw him in - he was a quality young defender.

I wouldn't have him on the page of staker/graham mainly because both of those footballers were loose ball footballers - but not so great in a contest.

Graham may have developed that side of his game, but unfortunately he had much bigger commitments than footy so was forced to retire.

FWIW - never saw him as a KPD - more a taller back pocket who could play on a range of players.
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You've answered your own question. He's not a kpp so he's realistically competing with Maxwell O'Brien Shaw and Toovey. The only player he could possibly push out of the side is Toovey but he is probably the tighest checking defender of the lot and often takes the most dangerous small. Theres simply no room at the inn. His development has been good but he's got some serious quality ahead of him.
 
MDC has summed it up perfectly to be honest. Although late last season he showed some really good improvements in terms of his ability to play close checking one on one defence.

Up until late last year the only real one on one defensive match up he had success with had been an aging Micky O. There is a lot of similarities to Maxwell in that he just doesn't have a lot of good match ups, nor is he good enough offensively and unfortunately for Sack we have a number of players who are better value when used in a loose man role.

As it stands he has been horrible whenever he has been used on smalls and promising at times on some talls unfortuantely the sort of talls he would take are covered by Maxwell and Harry on most occasions.
 
Not writing him off just yet. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes an entrance at some point as part of the high-rotation strategy.
 
I was speaking to his brother the other day and obviously missed the first bit of the year with the illness, but currently has a quad strain which they are taking no risks on so has missed the last couple
 
Old Spice said:
Not writing him off just yet. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes an entrance at some point as part of the high-rotation strategy.
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No doubt, the fact that he is not in the side is very much a sign of depth and I certainly expect him to get a run at some point in the nearish future as part of the rotation system.
 
from the games ive seen him in, he looks the goods...

nice and tall, plenty of speed, good long kick... what more can you ask for in a defender?
maybe a few more kg's, but that will come with age...

the only problem i see is that we've got a bunch of good tall young defenders...

i wouldnt want to lose him to the gold coast, because i see him slotting straight into the side if someone gets injured, or when presti retires etc... its great having the depth we have...
 
Sort of thought he could be a decent winger.

I like The Sack. Goes about it the right way. I've been surprised not to see more of him but didn't know about the sickness/injuries. I feel he is potentially in the best 22 - or maybe 26 - but right now, even if he was fully fit, I don't know who I'd take out to put him in.
 

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