News Tyson Stengle taken to hospital Saturday night

[foxdog50]

This is my view, and my view only... im not saying what I say is the correct view..
Tyson Stengle

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Tyson Stengle

Age

25

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

shouldn't of been going out this time of the year. It's 5 weeks till it's finals time, and he should be giving up on those small things eg drinking late out at night time, and thinking about the team and going places.. AFL footballers are well compensated to give up those unfortunate luxuries what a normal person of the street like drinking late on Saturday night..
Unfortunate it's not like in the 90s and early 2000s when they could go out late after a game of footy and get pissed...
These are professional athletes that get paid big . They can let there hair down after the season is over..

 

[Mr Meow]

This is my view, and my view only... im not saying what I say is the correct view..
Tyson Stengle shouldn't of been going out this time of the year. It's 5 weeks till it's finals time, and he should be giving up on those small things eg drinking late out at night time, and thinking about the team and going places.. AFL footballers are well compensated to give up those unfortunate luxuries what a normal person of the street like drinking late on Saturday night..
Unfortunate it's not like in the 90s and early 2000s when they could go out late after a game of footy and get pissed...
These are professional athletes that get paid big . They can let there hair down after the season is over..

It can be considered both disappointing and not the end of the world - that's fair I think. He does have a reponsibility to win back a bit of trust/respect with everyone at the GFC but that should be done in view of education/self improvement/duty of care rather than the ol' cold shoulder.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Error in judgement line from Pat probably rules out drink spiking.

Regardless of if the drink was spiked (which is an unlikely excuse), him even being out partying until 2:30am at this point of the season is an error in judgement. That in itself is poor behavior from a senior best 22 player and he should know better. If he wants to indulge, at least do it at home where he's not exposed to the general public.

I always struggle to understand the argument that they should be able to let loose like everyday people and that their careers as professional athletes shouldn't encroach on their recreational activities. These guys get paid millions of dollars at a very young age, by doing nothing but play sport. Yes, it is reasonable to expect them to show some restraint. When the club, sponsors and supporters are investing so much money, time, energy and hope in you, yes you can be reasonable enough to not get blasted to the point of a comatose state in full view of patrons.

And if players are expected to be treated as adults by the club, then such expectations should be reciprocal. They can be treated as reasonable adults when they display a decision-making capacity commensurate with an adult whose status as a professional athlete depends on them having some self-control. If they cannot demonstrate that, then maybe they are better off being treated like a child.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Ch 7 just reported that Tyson is unlikely to receive any punishment from the club and remains likely to play on Saturday.

Also mentioned that he will undergo a booze ban - this must be self-imposed if the club isn’t overseeing it?

"We might not drop you this week, and you might decide to stop drinking for the rest of the season."

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Understand that there might be mitigating circumstances here with tyson and reasons you'd want to not ban him, but I think it's the wrong decision. You need to make decisions in the best interest of the playing group and he let them down.

 

[Mr Meow]

Understand that there might be mitigating circumstances here with tyson and reasons you'd want to not ban him, but I think it's the wrong decision. You need to make decisions in the best interest of the playing group and he let them down.

Do you think this has potential to destroy the season, or more a long term irreparable affect on our club culture for the next decade? Genuinely interested in what you'd anticipate the tangible effects from Stengle playing this week instead of playing PlayStation all weekend.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Regardless of if the drink was spiked (which is an unlikely excuse), him even being out partying until 2:30am at this point of the season is an error in judgement. That in itself is poor behavior from a senior best 22 player and he should know better. If he wants to indulge, at least do it at home where he's not exposed to the general public.

I always struggle to understand the argument that they should be able to let loose like everyday people and that their careers as professional athletes shouldn't encroach on their recreational activities. These guys get paid millions of dollars at a very young age, by doing nothing but play sport. Yes, it is reasonable to expect them to show some restraint. When the club, sponsors and supporters are investing so much money, time, energy and hope in you, yes you can be reasonable enough to not get blasted to the point of a comatose state in full view of patrons.

And if players are expected to be treated as adults by the club, then such expectations should be reciprocal. They can be treated as reasonable adults when they display a decision-making capacity commensurate with an adult whose status as a professional athlete depends on them having some self-control. If they cannot demonstrate that, then maybe they are better off being treated like a child.

I agree with most of what you say, but 25 and single (i presume), can’t meet women sitting on the couch at home having a beer.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Do you think this has potential to destroy the season, or more a long term irreparable affect on our club culture for the next decade? Genuinely interested in what you'd anticipate the tangible effects from Stengle playing this week instead of playing PlayStation all weekend.

Long term. Every time behaviour is accepted it's a reset of norms. We're changing the standard of behaviour we accept. Young players look up to tyson and he's a leader even if he doesn't want to be.

Everyone in the group needs to know that he let the group down and saying things is just window dressing.

 

[Mr Meow]

Long term. Every time behaviour is accepted it's a reset of norms. We're changing the standard of behaviour we accept. Young players look up to tyson and he's a leader even if he doesn't want to be.

Everyone in the group needs to know that he let the group down and saying things is just window dressing.

I think a suspension gives better "optics" for those wanting a hard stance taken in a very visible way. We don't like the things we can't see and measure i.e everything behind closed doors. But unfortunately it is the conversations and solutions made behind those closed doors that will dictate if as a club we have "accepted a new norm". I highly doubt that a young player is sitting there thinking we condone the behaviour if Stengle plays this week, but will remember to check themselves on the condition his team mate misses a game for said action.

My suspicion is that Stengle will be very disappointed in himself over this set back and will surely have expressed that to the group in sincere terms. From there, actions speak louder than words and there are many things he can volunteer to do. If he does these and takes the necessary steps to avoid such situations this year and beyond, I see that as more important than a token "Geelong suspend Stengle for 1 week" to make the angry men at home nod approvingly. We no longer live in a world where everything is dealt with in strict punitive methods.

 

[Cataholic]

Regardless of if the drink was spiked (which is an unlikely excuse), him even being out partying until 2:30am at this point of the season is an error in judgement. That in itself is poor behavior from a senior best 22 player and he should know better. If he wants to indulge, at least do it at home where he's not exposed to the general public.

I always struggle to understand the argument that they should be able to let loose like everyday people and that their careers as professional athletes shouldn't encroach on their recreational activities. These guys get paid millions of dollars at a very young age, by doing nothing but play sport. Yes, it is reasonable to expect them to show some restraint. When the club, sponsors and supporters are investing so much money, time, energy and hope in you, yes you can be reasonable enough to not get blasted to the point of a comatose state in full view of patrons.

And if players are expected to be treated as adults by the club, then such expectations should be reciprocal. They can be treated as reasonable adults when they display a decision-making capacity commensurate with an adult whose status as a professional athlete depends on them having some self-control. If they cannot demonstrate that, then maybe they are better off being treated like a child.

Can't disagree with much of what you've said.

But, we all make mistakes, even the wisest and smartest of us. We all have weak moments........'let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone'.

There's no shame in making a mistake. Mistakes create experience and wisdom.

The shame comes if / when you demonstrate you aren't learning by repeating the same mistake.

Let's see what happens from here.

Strike 1.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think a suspension gives better "optics" for those wanting a hard stance taken in a very visible way. We don't like the things we can't see and measure i.e everything behind closed doors. But unfortunately it is the conversations and solutions made behind those closed doors that will dictate if as a club we have "accepted a new norm". I highly doubt that a young player is sitting there thinking we condone the behaviour if Stengle plays this week, but will remember to check themselves on the condition his team mate misses a game for said action.

My suspicion is that Stengle will be very disappointed in himself over this set back and will surely have expressed that to the group in sincere terms. From there, actions speak louder than words and there are many things he can volunteer to do. If he does these and takes the necessary steps to avoid such situations this year and beyond, I see that as more important than a token "Geelong suspend Stengle for 1 week" to make the angry men at home nod approvingly. We no longer live in a world where everything is dealt with in strict punitive methods.

Yeah its hard from the outside to know exactly what the details are. But the problem is those conversations and solutions are just words. The playing group will have varying interpretations of it no matter how clear you think you're saying it, that's just how humans work.

Not everything needs punitive measures, but not everything is important. I feel this is. Missing one match is not the end of the world and you only get one opportunity to set the standard while staying consistent. You can never apply a different standard to someone else and stay consistent. It may never be tested but if say Mitch Edwards did something that's in a similar vein but worse, his do you get the nuance across to the group that they're different. A coach can lose credibility very quickly.

I'm sure they're great leaders and they know what they're doing, but I'm the opposite of disciplinarian manager and I think it's ill advised.

 

[Vdubs]

I agree with most of what you say, but 25 and single (i presume), can’t meet women sitting on the couch at home having a beer.

Not many women are into men who end up comatose on the floor of a nightclub- well it's difficult to get to know each other for starters.
What is wrong with socialising without alcohol?
It's admirable, particularly coming into a finals series.
It is up to Stengle, but perhaps this episode may help shape the rest of our season wrt social activities for him and the team.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not many women are into men who end up comatose on the floor of a nightclub- well it's difficult to get to know each other for starters.
What is wrong with socialising without alcohol?
It's admirable, particularly coming into a finals series.
It is up to Stengle, but perhaps this episode may help shape the rest of our season wrt social activities for him and the team.

Socialising is very alcohol difficult without alcohol if you're crippling shy.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

To be honest, I trust the club more than the opinions in this thread (even my own). They know all the facts and are satisfied a suspension isn't warranted. Even the AFL integrity unit has decided it isn't worth a formal investigation. That tells me it was just a night out gone wrong and not a behavioral problem. Shit happens. Let's get off Tyson's back.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

To be honest, I trust the club more than the opinions in this thread (even my own). They know all the facts and are satisfied a suspension isn't warranted. Even the AFL integrity unit has decided it isn't worth a formal investigation. That tells me it was just a night out gone wrong and not a behavioral problem. Shit happens. Let's get off Tyson's back.

The AFL integrity unit is basically a punchline. I wouldn't hold their opinions up as a benchmark

 

[Pollywaffle]

I agree with most of what you say, but 25 and single (i presume), can’t meet women sitting on the couch at home having a beer.

Comment made me chuckle and reminded me. I met a nurse who became long time girlfriend ….met her after a hospital visit under similar circumstances
(But I was a suburban hack footballer)

 

[noclashjumpers]

Understand that there might be mitigating circumstances here with tyson and reasons you'd want to not ban him, but I think it's the wrong decision. You need to make decisions in the best interest of the playing group and he let them down.

Yeah its hard from the outside to know exactly what the details are. But the problem is those conversations and solutions are just words. The playing group will have varying interpretations of it no matter how clear you think you're saying it, that's just how humans work.

We have no new info, yet the imagined narrative progresses. We acknowledge that we don't know as much as the club, yet simultaneously say that the club is handling it wrong.

We have no real idea what went on; we have no idea about Tyson's personal life; we have basically no info about anything to form a coherent justified opinion about this situation at all, yet alone the broader implications for the club or Tyson.

And the annoying thing is, this IS a sensitive issue. We're not speculating about a game plan or team selection, we're spewing speculative bvllshjt opinions out into the ether about a real guy's life.

Sometimes I feel fans forget that the guys over the fence are actual human beings with shjt going on in their lives, rather than make-believe vessels for our own boredom and entertainment.

Sometimes the best answer is, 'I don't know'.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Not many women are into men who end up comatose on the floor of a nightclub- well it's difficult to get to know each other for starters.
What is wrong with socialising without alcohol?
It's admirable, particularly coming into a finals series.
It is up to Stengle, but perhaps this episode may help shape the rest of our season wrt social activities for him and the team.

Each to their own (socialising with or without alcohol).

 

[Willo_]

I agree with most of what you say, but 25 and single (i presume), can’t meet women sitting on the couch at home having a beer.

Whilst i am not 25 not single... i strongly would suggest that isn't the case in this day and age.
From what I understand more people meet on apps/online and have almost lost the ability to meet people out.



I could be way off the mark and be a real old man yelling at the cloud type of a thing as a 41 year old who hasn't been single for 15 years though hahaha

 

[Willo_]

Can't disagree with much of what you've said.

But, we all make mistakes, even the wisest and smartest of us. We all have weak moments........'let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone'.

There's no shame in making a mistake. Mistakes create experience and wisdom.

The shame comes if / when you demonstrate you aren't learning by repeating the same mistake.

Let's see what happens from here.

Strike 1.

yep it is strike 1... but given his history and the potential risk involved with him he won't get 3 strikes that is for sure... but he would know that, and the club no doubt have clauses in his contract.

No doubt he has been fine since being a Cat, but you also can't just dismiss is previous life as an AFL player

 

[Cataholic]

yep it is strike 1... but given his history and the potential risk involved with him he won't get 3 strikes that is for sure... but he would know that, and the club no doubt have clauses in his contract.

No doubt he has been fine since being a Cat, but you also can't just dismiss is previous life as an AFL player

Agreed.

There would've been a lot of deliberation behind closed doors, and his past would have been brought to the fore in those discussions.

But those discussions would also have been a lot more informed than the conversation here.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

If Geelong were an undisciplined rabble who hadnt done anything for say the past decade then they would probably suspemd him for a week

But the Cats are far from that , so to me it is a storm in a teacup and thus i hope he plays well on Sat and is amongst the multiple goal kickers

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Comment made me chuckle and reminded me. I met a nurse who became long time girlfriend ….met her after a hospital visit under similar circumstances
(But I was a suburban hack footballer)

Insert montage of having your stomach pumped to the tune of "it must be love looove love"

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We have no new info, yet the imagined narrative progresses. We acknowledge that we don't know as much as the club, yet simultaneously say that the club is handling it wrong.

We have no real idea what went on; we have no idea about Tyson's personal life; we have basically no info about anything to form a coherent justified opinion about this situation at all, yet alone the broader implications for the club or Tyson.

And the annoying thing is, this IS a sensitive issue. We're not speculating about a game plan or team selection, we're spewing speculative bvllshjt opinions out into the ether about a real guy's life.

Sometimes I feel fans forget that the guys over the fence are actual human beings with shjt going on in their lives, rather than make-believe vessels for our own boredom and entertainment.

Sometimes the best answer is, 'I don't know'.

The information is limited but I stand by by judgement. Leaders shouldn't snooker themselves like this regardless of nuance.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Whilst i am not 25 not single... i strongly would suggest that isn't the case in this day and age.
From what I understand more people meet on apps/online and have almost lost the ability to meet people out.



I could be way off the mark and be a real old man yelling at the cloud type of a thing as a 41 year old who hasn't been single for 15 years though hahaha

41 is actually a good cut off point. I'm 40 and the last time I was single tinder wasn't a thing. Alcohol does help introverted people socialise though