Alien/UFO UFO Disclosure Imminent? * Former US Intelligence Official & Whistleblower Speaks

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If anyone is looking for something to listen to while you're doing your menial chores this may be of interest to some.

It's from the 60s, but is the audiobook of Jaques Vallee's famous Passport to Magonia which details historical sightings of anomalous phenomena and their similarities with UFO/ alien sightings up to the point of the book's writing. The narration is not dated at all, in fact it may be a recent production.

Tbh, the fact the book is written in the 60s is almost a positive, as you get a solid cross sectional historical reference of UFOs/ aliens purely from that period, which is like the "golden age"/ infancy of it all.

One thing that's always interested me is how varied the appearance of the earlier "alien" sightings are. They all look totally different, are dressed totally different, some of them are made out of tin. It really taps into the Jaques Vallee theory that they are not actually aliens, but rather, some kind of manifestation that alters as the zeitgeist changes (IE, now they've morphed into this refined "grey alien" image as we have had more time to refine the concept of them through our collective consciousness).
 

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https://www.history.com/news/little-green-men-origins-aliens-hopkinsville-kelly

This is the more in depth recap of the "tin" aliens account.

I think it's touched on briefly in Passport to Magonia.

So many of the stories from the 50s/ 60s, talk of little men in tight fitting shiny silver costumes emblazoned with a big 'P' as a logo, or some other big letter in capitals; or, tight shiny lavender costume with stuff like knee high rubber boots. And if it wasn't a big letter in capitals, you often hear of a similarly emblematic shape on the front of their costume like an embossed circle, square or triangle.

They sound like characters out of a 60s Star Trek show or something, which is probably the main framework that the public had to work with at the time.
 
Bucking Bronco said:


If anyone is looking for something to listen to while you're doing your menial chores this may be of interest to some.

It's from the 60s, but is the audiobook of Jaques Vallee's famous Passport to Magonia which details historical sightings of anomalous phenomena and their similarities with UFO/ alien sightings up to the point of the book's writing. The narration is not dated at all, in fact it may be a recent production.

Tbh, the fact the book is written in the 60s is almost a positive, as you get a solid cross sectional historical reference of UFOs/ aliens purely from that period, which is like the "golden age"/ infancy of it all.

One thing that's always interested me is how varied the appearance of the earlier "alien" sightings are. They all look totally different, are dressed totally different, some of them are made out of tin. It really taps into the Jaques Vallee theory that they are not actually aliens, but rather, some kind of manifestation that alters as the zeitgeist changes (IE, now they've morphed into this refined "grey alien" image as we have had more time to refine the concept of them through our collective consciousness).
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I enjoyed it. I read the book in the mid 70's. He was one of the first to draw parallels between folklore, religious experience and UFO's, which I think there is something to it. He writes nicely and the narrator is good, too. Sadly, in terms of 'facts; we haven't moved much past the book in the subsequent 50+ years, though we have seen a widespread change toward the field. Thanks for posting.
 
CD Xbow said:
I enjoyed it. I read the book in the mid 70's. He was one of the first to draw parallels between folklore, religious experience and UFO's, which I think there is something to it. He writes nicely and the narrator is good, too. Sadly, in terms of 'facts; we haven't moved much past the book in the subsequent 50+ years, though we have seen a widespread change toward the field. Thanks for posting.
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Have you read the 2 Skinwalker ranch books co-written by George Knapp, or The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel?
 
Bucking Bronco said:
Have you read the 2 Skinwalker ranch books co-written by George Knapp, or The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel?
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The Mothman Prophesies, I have. Interesting book, I suspect it is more about John Keels story telling than anything else. I haven't read the Skinwalker ranch book but I did see a couple of episodes of the TV show, in which nothing really interesting was documented and it seemed to be 'much ado about nothing'. I just found a link to a freebie copy, so I'll give it a go.
https://archive.org/stream/HuntForTheSkinwalker/Hunt for the Skinwalker_djvu.txt
 
CD Xbow said:
The Mothman Prophesies, I have. Interesting book, I suspect it is more about John Keels story telling than anything else. I haven't read the Skinwalker ranch book but I did see a couple of episodes of the TV show, in which nothing really interesting was documented and it seemed to be 'much ado about nothing'. I just found a link to a freebie copy, so I'll give it a go.
https://archive.org/stream/HuntForTheSkinwalker/Hunt for the Skinwalker_djvu.txt
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The audiobook of it is on Spotify Premium if you have it.

I initially listened to these two videos a couple of weeks ago which piqued my interest:





A few interesting things in there, more bizzaro world type of experiences.
 
Bucking Bronco said:
The audiobook of it is on Spotify Premium if you have it.

I initially listened to these two videos a couple of weeks ago which piqued my interest:





A few interesting things in there, more bizzaro world type of experiences.
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Again, thanks for posting. I read the text file of the book last night. An amazing smorgasbord of just about every recognised type of paranormal/alien activities - glowing orbs, poltergeist phenomena, invisible critters, portals, round and triangular UFO's, bullet proof supernatural wolves. Despite all the events and the presence of a science team from 1997 nothing much in terms of hard data was collected, very disappointing to the scientist in me. The cosmic jester wins again!

After the NDIS team took up residence the unusual events diminished significantly. I think by then the children no longer lived at the ranch, which to my mind suggests a poltergeist type effect via one of the children. Note, I have no idea what causes poltergeist events but I believe them to be real events in some cases. There nearly always an association of near adolescent or adolescent children to poltergeist events. The area certainly is one with a historical record of 'high strangeness', so perhaps in someway one of the children amplified these effects.

Despite the TV series events at the ranch appear to have continued to calm down in recent years.

At the very least, it's a good haunted house story.
 
Absolutely never going to happen, the tech is too exotic and valuable to admit CIA and aerospace companies are trying to crack it let alone risk Russia or China getting an edge.


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CD Xbow said:
Again, thanks for posting. I read the text file of the book last night. An amazing smorgasbord of just about every recognised type of paranormal/alien activities - glowing orbs, poltergeist phenomena, invisible critters, portals, round and triangular UFO's, bullet proof supernatural wolves. Despite all the events and the presence of a science team from 1997 nothing much in terms of hard data was collected, very disappointing to the scientist in me. The cosmic jester wins again!

After the NDIS team took up residence the unusual events diminished significantly. I think by then the children no longer lived at the ranch, which to my mind suggests a poltergeist type effect via one of the children. Note, I have no idea what causes poltergeist events but I believe them to be real events in some cases. There nearly always an association of near adolescent or adolescent children to poltergeist events. The area certainly is one with a historical record of 'high strangeness', so perhaps in someway one of the children amplified these effects.

Despite the TV series events at the ranch appear to have continued to calm down in recent years.

At the very least, it's a good haunted house story.
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How many pages was the book lol.

I have been listening to Passport to Magonia for like a month and still not done with it.

You seem to have a voracious appetite that allows you to consume the entire contents of a book in a whole day.
 
Bucking Bronco said:
How many pages was the book lol.

I have been listening to Passport to Magonia for like a month and still not done with it.

You seem to have a voracious appetite that allows you to consume the entire contents of a book in a whole day.
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I can read heaps faster than listening.

There is quite a lot of chapters that have nothing to do with events at the ranch. I skipped them initially.

The version of the book is a text file without page numbers, the kindle version has 326 pages.

It really is predominately a poltergeist story.
 

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CD Xbow , another weird one with Passport to Magonia vibes, with varying assortment of humanoid aliens.

Also just like Skinwalker, there seems to be locations that are just twilight zones where all the different manifestations are present.
 
Also, this may be a pass, but I read it a couple of days ago: http://www.human-resonance.org/Dragons_Lair.pdf

I'm not really sure I agree with everything that the author is positing, but it is an interesting insight into elements of the high strangeness phenomenon.

I think it's indisputable that cattle mutilations are a product of the Phenomenon, and I think it seems highly plausible that this has occurred in humans.

Warning: there are very clear images involving recent deaths of humans who have mutilated features.

The case from the 80s, and the 2010s kid, both have those weird holes in their arms, maybe to remove the blood from the body?
 
Bucking Bronco said:


CD Xbow , another weird one with Passport to Magonia vibes, with varying assortment of humanoid aliens.

Also just like Skinwalker, there seems to be locations that are just twilight zones where all the different manifestations are present.
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Boy, there a lot of 'haunted' ranches in the US, if I ever buy property in the American SW I'll be asking for it sans sasquatches, orbs, UFO's and humanoids. This ones has all the classic features including that weird performative bit by the human like 'aliens' - these boxes are dangerous, hey, wookie go pick one up. Viola dead wookie. Usual nonsense the tricky Ufonauts get up to, although in this case there may be sense in the demonstration.

I haven't read it yet but the transcript of the interviews are here: https://www.bedtime-stories.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/APRO-1978-FULL.pdf
Always good to be able to read the source material.

Can't say I am impressed with http://www.human-resonance.org/Dragons_Lair.pdf
Mish mash of information from all different sources, wild speculation and pseudoscience.

I haven't read any Dr Karla Turner, I believe she is an abduction researcher.
 
Bucking Bronco said:
Think this one was better.

If anyone is still in the camp of "I don't think they're real".

This is as convincing of an interview as you'll find IMO:

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I've read a few things by him, IIRC he was actually one of the group who help release the USN tic-tac video etc. I'll listen to the rest later. I don't need to be convinced, my friend and I saw a pair of UFO's in the 1970's.

Mootsy said:
It's definitely compelling and needs to be paid attention to, but we have to wonder is Lu's interpretation correct or not and what coteries are guiding him, if any, but then this Jason J comes along and throws everything out of whack again for me, lol. Then again, it's Lu who had the high level clearance, so it's hard to say who to believe. But i like how Jason J theorises the big picture angle and has connections to a lot of people in this UAP disclosure movement and his theories are that they are time travellers and mentions the collins elite in reference to that and it starting during the 1897 Airship phenomenon.

Remember, Ross Coulthard has mentioned several times in the last few years, his insiders are saying they believe it's time travellers from the future, not aliens, that's why they call it NHI, they use a broad umbrella category so its 100% open to interpretation to whatever group is trying to explain it, so religious factions would describe them as angels and demons, gods, military leaders might say "UAP, Foo Fighters, flying saucers. Spiritual people might describe them as apparitions, poltergeists, ghosts, projections. Unbiased, technical, sound minded people might just describe for them for what they are, with no agenda.

-Mentions that Antarctica was likely Atlantis back in the day and explains it fairly well in terms of every polar shift, the mantle moves like an orange peel every 12000 years.
  • Theorises that Antarctica would be the place to hide if you were time travelling and wanted to be away from major civilisations, but you could also argue the ocean is another way to do it, depending.
  • Talks about groups at the top of the pyramid who might be hiding or guiding the reverse engineered technology.
  • Mentions who to trust and who not to trust.
  • Mentions out-of-place-artefacts going back to the days of building the Pyramids and that some of them may have been planted there by time travellers.
  • Mentions that a lot of these intel guys who have experiences only had those experiences whilst in the service, never before or after. Does this mean there is some kind of trickery and or psychological manipulation that goes on in the services.
  • Mentions some UAP discoveries were donations, now it doesn't make sense that an out of space species would do this, hand us free technology for nothing, makes zero sense agriculturally speaking, its more likely this is time manipulation to try and change a timeline. From us, humans! Humans who get to the point of the singularity and using quantum technology.
  • So why have biologics been found?? Well let's speculate here. One famous case from 1997 was a guy found a craft and a hybrid human inside it, that after some study, was found to have hybrid dolphin and turtle genes, now does this sound like an out of space species who just so happened to crash in a forest after travelling thousands of light years to get here or perhaps, time travellers with a very twisted sense of humour?? You be the judge.
Conclusion: The tech being seen is ours, humans, derived from out of place technology or artefacts found throughout history and reverse engineered but to stay hidden from everyday people.

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While I'm very happy to keep an open mind about the nature of the phenomena, I'm afraid anything by Richard Thompson gets filed under F, for fiction. Most of this claims have been well debunked and are derived from a religious framework. He's comes to the mystery with an ideology and boy, does he use it.

I'm also not a believer in time travel. Most 'out of place' objects are not very compelling at all. As for the repeated claims our ancestors could not carve, move or build with stones the size of the Trilithon, well, that's rubbish. Vitruvius the 1st century BC roman architect, cites two methods relating to the construction of the Trilithon. Recounted here:
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Transporting the Trilithon Stones of Baalbek: It's About Applied Physics, Not Ancient Aliens - Dr. Michael Heiser

PaleoBabble readers know that ancient astronaut theorists suffer from a fixation on megalithic construction. The “impossibility” of moving stones of great size and tremendous weight appears to them as proof …
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Before Tom Delonge started working with intelligence agency individuals years ago and was gagged, he said the donations were because the phenomenon (or at least one of the entities) feeds on energies, particularly fear and pain, and giving easter eggs with technology helps fuel further war and destruction.

Don't really buy it, but point is lots of people have different opinions, and I'm not sure anyone really knows for sure what is going on.
 
Bucking Bronco said:
Before Tom Delonge started working with intelligence agency individuals years ago and was gagged, he said the donations were because the phenomenon (or at least one of the entities) feeds on energies, particularly fear and pain, and giving easter eggs with technology helps fuel further war and destruction.

Don't really buy it, but point is lots of people have different opinions, and I'm not sure anyone really knows for sure what is going on.
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I think I have heard every reason why we might have folks from elsewhere visiting, mostly wild speculation. I don't think most 'abductions' are real events in the physical world, they appear to be entirely a mental phenomena. This seems to have become the common view.

Some do appear to have physical event involved and a few leave some evidence, eg Peter Khoury case in 1992. Bill Chalker wrote an interesting book about it and the alleged alien hair - the DNA is a weird mix of Indigenous Taiwanese and Basque. The book is available on Amazon. Worth a read if you have an interest in abductions.

 
Not sure if I’ve said this here before but I had an NDE giving birth in 2012 and it made me think that aliens, the after life etc is all connected.
 

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