Umpiring - What the hell?!

[TAITA]

im pretty sure you are allowed to handball through for a behind if you are under pressure. (diff rules apply if you do this out of bounds)

if you fist the ball through over the goal line from a ruck contest and it lands on the full (without the ball bouncing before the line) that will be considered deliberate and a free will be awarded.

Thats what i believe, i may be incorrect

Correct.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Chamberlain should be dropped for the way he spoke with the players last night.
I lost all respect for him after hearing the way he was smart arsedly communicating with the players after his appalling decisions. It was very Goldspink, and regardless of Hawk feelings toward him, the last thing the ump fraternity needs is a new Goldspink.

By the by, I caught up with an intelligent bomber supporter today (a rare beast I know). I only had to mention Ray and he laughed and immediately referred to the 2nd half.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Seriously. Some absolutely woeful decisions to even up the game tonight. 2 Ridiculous 50s, birchs htb... some others. when 0. 03 of percentage can mean a home final- this is NOT acceptable. Never acceptable.

Until the AFL administrators get a new vision of what is acceptable and pass that on to the rules committee , the umpires will follow the rules to a tee, and over zealous individuals , like Ray Chamberlain will make ridiculous decisions on free kicks when a little common sense would take the "unfair " out of our wonderful game, full time umpires and umpires that aren,t robots may help. Ray is another arrogant ego like Darren Golspink, these types of characters should never be umpires at the top level .
Why? Well its because they take themselves to seriously as the be all and end all of how footy should be played .They are not! They also should be UN microphoned TODAY!
Ray is probably not the arrogant prima donna that Goldspink was but his interpretation
is by the book to the point of nonsense , he has no idea of a feeling for a situation.
I saw Goldspink enflame a situation several years ago that I would have sacked him for .
He was simply a foolish man with a huge ego and should never have been given his 15 minutes of power, because thats exactly how this fellow handled it.

 

[Henry Jr]

The thing that shit me was this.

Third quarter, Ray was positioned half forward flank (Scum's forward line) at the Punt Road end.

Fourth quarter, Ray was positioned half forward flank (Scum's forward line) at the City end.

Now, bad decisions are made but you cop that because we all make mistakes, but whilst the AFL keeps talking about anti corruption ect, how can a neutral (cough) participant go from one forward line to the next.

Surely, the third of the ground they start in is the same third they umpire for the whole game.

Its not to much to ask is it?

 

[Mojo]

The 50 against Lisle was soft but there, not a wrong decision just an unnecessary one

The 50 against Mitchell was soft but there, not a wrong decision just an unnecessary one

The free kick against Birchall was there, may have got a bit less time to get rid of it than usual but not enough to get up in arms about

When a team is dominating the way Hawthorn were bending Essendon over, a mentality takes charge; specifically, an 'underdog' mentality - it's alike to bullying. Essendon was overwhelmed and seemingly on the ground being kicked by Hawthorn, so what do the umpires do? They rush to the aid of the defenceless team.

Hypothetically, if the match was square or more competitive, those decisions would not have been given. Plus Ray’s a little ****.

 

[dixyland]

Agree with everyone.

Ray's a little smartass - I disagree with his existence.

I went to Wanniassa High with Ray - he's always been a little douchebag. He failed as a footy player and that's why he's an umpire.

 

[Fevola99]

Correct.

Except for when Trengove did it to his own goals to win by a point

Ray Chamberlain is a **** who uses his authority to grandstand over men who could kick him through the goals from 50 out. He should be questioned over his unprofessional attitude and not be allowed to umpire until he sorts it out.

The thing that shit me was this.

Third quarter, Ray was positioned half forward flank (Scum's forward line) at the Punt Road end.

Fourth quarter, Ray was positioned half forward flank (Scum's forward line) at the City end.

Now, bad decisions are made but you cop that because we all make mistakes, but whilst the AFL keeps talking about anti corruption ect, how can a neutral (cough) participant go from one forward line to the next.

Surely, the third of the ground they start in is the same third they umpire for the whole game.

Its not to much to ask is it?

They do one quarter for each team up each end I think, or maybe that's goal umpires.

 

[cAsEy_18]

The first half I thought was some of the best umpiring for the year. Not sure on the total count, but they let almost all little things go, and not getting sucked in by the crowd either way to calling, mainly, holding the ball, and instead throwing it up continuously.

The second half, well, was a bit embarrassing. We got some absolute gifts that were clearly sympathy free kicks/50's. I personally would have preferred us to not get these so it would have been more of a blowout and forced us to make more changes. Just be thankful though that the umpiring against you only cost you percentage, rather than 4 points.

 

[RogerC]

I think the bigger issue with Razor is the way he's treated by the media. It wasn't happening much the other night - I think the commentators were aware that he'd overstepped the mark a bit - but there have been a few games this year when they've been positively celebrating his antics.

There was one game earlier this year when an umpire and a boundary umpire were working out whether a ball was out of bounds deliberately or not, or something like that, and Ray came bounding up from 100 metres away and took over the whole discussion, even though he hadn't seen it. The commentators were in raptures, one of them claiming Ray as the best umpire going around.

I think there's probably an element of him playing up to that attitude.

There's nothing wrong with umpires showing a bit of their personality, as long as they do their job properly. One or two of them seem to be a bit confused over which of those two is the more important, though.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Sorry to jump in on here guys, but I have to agree with you. The 50m penalties and the holding the ball were rubbish. Reason for my post is I assume you were all at the game and wouldn't have seen Ray up close on the TV.

After the Birchall holding the ball Grant was pleading his case to Ray while setting the mark. The smugness of Ray was appalling imo. He was almost laughing at Birch after laying an incorrect free.

Also in that quarter there was a very short kick into your forward 50 marked low down by Hale. Definitely wasn't 15m, around the 10-12m mark. Anyway Ray paid the mark, and Tayte Pears had a bit of a go at him pointing to where the kick was from. To which Ray has responded with putting a stupid smug grin on his face and yelling out to a 'Mark' (maybe McVeigh or another umpire) 'Hey Mark, can you step that out for me? Step it out, I'm sure it was 16m. Can you do that for me Mark. Make sure it was 16m.'

That frustrated me no end. Umpires are there to make decisions and not be seen. That granstanding by Ray, after two incorrect decisions, is not acceptable in my books.

i saw them get paid a mark that was not 15 and saw it done other way around hear the ump on the second one via the radio my guess razor say it was 16 i am guessing that is the one you are talking about

 

[Hawkamania!]

I went to Wanniassa High with Ray - he's always been a little douchebag. He failed as a footy player and that's why he's an umpire.

He is failing in that as well.

 

[Great 2008]

I gave votes for the Essendon FC after the game:

3 Votes: R. Chamberlain (created four to five goals out of nothing)

2 Votes: S. Mitchell (was the instigator of several bomber goals - Sorry Sam still luv ya)

1 Vote: B Stanton (only Bombers player who stood up)

 

[mrcurly]

i saw them get paid a mark that was not 15 and saw it done other way around hear the ump on the second one via the radio my guess razor say it was 16 i am guessing that is the one you are talking about

Actually thought that was pretty amusing, though the umps are not supposed to be the entertainers, he did a good job of it - and exposed the second half for the umpiring farce it was. But right, that was lucky to be 12 metres.

Considering the absolute gimme goal assists up the other end, and some of the unpaid holding the ball/incorrect disposals in scoring positions it was fitting to give us a payback kick for goal.

As i said in another thread, if this seasons finalists are decided on percentages, then it will be umpiring idiocy like this that forms the final 8.

 

[AWAS HAWKS]

im pretty sure you are allowed to handball through for a behind if you are under pressure. (diff rules apply if you do this out of bounds)

if you fist the ball through over the goal line from a ruck contest and it lands on the full (without the ball bouncing before the line) that will be considered deliberate and a free will be awarded.

Thats what i believe, i may be incorrect

thats crazy,
how can they call a fist over the line deliberate and not an intentional backwards handball under pressure, WTF?!!!

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The thing that really annoyed me about the umpiring was that it completely changed at half time.

They're view on what constituted holding the ball completely flipped. We'd holding onto the footy through tackles all through the first half then all of a sudden it was outlawed in the second.

I really think this is due to the notion of aiming for an even free kick count. Against Geelong we were down 12-1 in the first quarter, then we started getting some stupid ones our way, and a lot of marks were paid unnecessarily as free kicks. The last three quarters went our way 17-13 and I don't think we changed our playing style all that much. In fact I saw Schoenmakers doing all sorts of things to Podsiadly's ugly mug in a bid to try and quell his influence - and it worked without penalty! 2 or 3 headlocks that were well timed and definitely worth of free kicks in goal scoring positions.

Then on Friday night we saw the hawks get a huge lead in free kicks early in the match. (I think we had 10 more than them halfway through the 2nd quarter?) The game finished with us leading the free kick count by 3. The Birchall tackle and Mitchell 50m penalties are clear examples of trying to even the ledger - and it's shit.

 

[Hawkamania!]

The thing that really annoyed me about the umpiring was that it completely changed at half time.

They're view on what constituted holding the ball completely flipped. We'd holding onto the footy through tackles all through the first half then all of a sudden it was outlawed in the second.

I really think this is due to the notion of aiming for an even free kick count. Against Geelong we were down 12-1 in the first quarter, then we started getting some stupid ones our way, and a lot of marks were paid unnecessarily as free kicks. The last three quarters went our way 17-13 and I don't think we changed our playing style all that much. In fact I saw Schoenmakers doing all sorts of things to Podsiadly's ugly mug in a bid to try and quell his influence - and it worked without penalty! 2 or 3 headlocks that were well timed and definitely worth of free kicks in goal scoring positions.

Then on Friday night we saw the hawks get a huge lead in free kicks early in the match. (I think we had 10 more than them halfway through the 2nd quarter?) The game finished with us leading the free kick count by 3. The Birchall tackle and Mitchell 50m penalties are clear examples of trying to even the ledger - and it's shit.

Nice analysis except for us leading the final free kick count by three. The final tally was 19-16 their way.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-scoreboard?match_id=10311401

Click on full stats option for frees.

 

[xellis8]

Nice analysis except for us leading the final free kick count by three. The final tally was 19-16 their way.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-scoreboard?match_id=10311401

Click on full stats option for frees.

On last night's One Week at a Time they pointed out Ray's theatrics, and also that he paid 18 frees on the night, compared to something like 9 & 6 from the other two umpires. They said the Friday night footy spotlight got the better of him.

I remember yelling myself hoarse at him on Friday to get down the other end of the field, he seemed to be 'on the ball' (not in a good way) all night!

 

[Rushed_Behind]

i think too many people put an empahasis on umpiring. There is no way known over 120 min of football umpiring will be the reason you lost. Its ignorant to think like that. Also the umpires will always make mistakes and some will be bigger than others and some you will win and some you will lose.

Also the argument about %age costing a top 8 position is ludicrous.

Hypothetical: assuming both pies and cats dont drop a game between now and rd 24 and the pies miss out on top spot, do you think they will blame an umpires decision like the advantage one against geelong or the fact cloke and daisy thomas missed 3 sodas between them against sydney?

Fans have been bagging umpires since 1897 and nothings changed. Get over it.

 

[RogerC]

Hypothetical: assuming both pies and cats dont drop a game between now and rd 24 and the pies miss out on top spot, do you think they will blame an umpires decision like the advantage one against geelong or the fact cloke and daisy thomas missed 3 sodas between them against sydney?

They'd blame the umpiring decision, wouldn't they? That one cost them a win and the misses didn't. If Collingwood end up a game behind Geelong it doesn't matter what percentage they have.

I don't know what point that hypothetical was supposed to be making, but the message I'm getting from it is that umpiring mistakes cost matches and potentially ladder positions.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

They'd blame the umpiring decision, wouldn't they? That one cost them a win and the misses didn't. If Collingwood end up a game behind Geelong it doesn't matter what percentage they have.

I don't know what point that hypothetical was supposed to be making, but the message I'm getting from it is that umpiring mistakes cost matches and potentially ladder positions.

The misses cost them %age

sorry the hypothetical was incomplete. I should have added that the pies won the rd 24 encounter but their %age was .01 less.

My point is there are many factors that will cause teams to win or lose and by what margins, but i reckon the players will only worry about the decisions or mistakes that they can control and not 1 solitary incident in a game over 120 min which was made by an umpire.