Updated VFL/AFL premiership tally

[Roylion]

I also post lots of other things. You don’t.

Actually I do. Do a search. Religion, biology, history, politics.

You’re a bore. Take the hint. You are an obsessive bore who seems to have no introspection on how his obsession is perceived.

Ironic coming from you.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

You raised the notion of judging flags based on a round robin system. Where does the mental gymnastics end?

Do we disregard premierships won MCG tenants against non-tenants??

I actually raised the notion of judging flags on the basis of the number of teams competing in the season. The round robin point was merely incidental to it. There were four teams competing that year.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Performance metric of each club measured against time in the competition. Source AFL tables.

Metrics

Flags
GS's
Finals won
Finals played.

Metric divided by years in the comp, for example Adelaide have 2 flags divided by 33 years gives them an average of 0.0606 premierships per year.

Just my opinion but these metrics separate those on equal number of flags with equal time in the competition.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	33
Averages	0.0606	0.0909	0.5454	1.0909		1.7878
Bris	4	5	20	32	37
Averages	0.108	0.1351	0.54054	0.8648		1.6484
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	127
Averages	0.1259	0.3385	0.6614	1.496		2.6218
Carlton	16	29	67	143	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2283	0.5275	1.1259		2.0076
Essendon	16	28	69	132	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2204	0.5433	1.0393		1.9289
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	29
Averages	0	0.0344	0.2413	0.5862		0.8619
Geelong	10	19	60	134	127
Averages	0.0787	0.1496	0.4274	1.0551		1.7108
GC	0	0	0	0	13
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	18	12
Averages	0	0.0833	0.75	1.5		2.3333
Hawthorn	13	19	54	87	99
Averages	0.1313	0.1919	0.5454	0.8787		1.7473
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	127
Averages	0.1023	0.1417	0.4251	0.7401		1.4092
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	99
Averages	0.0404	0.0909	0.3535	0.7575		1.2423
Port Adelaide	1	2	14	30	27
Averages	0.037	0.074	0.05185	1.1111		1.2739
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	116
Averages	0.112	0.2068	0.4827	0.8534		1.6549
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	127
Averages	0.0078	0.0551	0.1732	0.433		0.6691
Syd / Sth Melb	5	19	44	97	127
Averages	0.0393	0.1496	0.3464	0.7637		1.299
West Coast	4	7	26	55	37
Averages	0.1081	0.1891	0.7027	1.4864		2.4863
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	57	99
Averages	0.0202	0.0404	0.2121	0.5757		0.8484
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	127
	0.0629	0.1023	0.2677	0.4645		0.8974

 

[Carringbush2010]

Performance metric of each club measured against time in the competition. Source AFL tables.

Metrics

Flags
GS's
Finals won
Finals played.

Metric divided by years in the comp, for example Adelaide have 2 flags divided by 33 years gives them an average of 0.0606 premierships per year.

Just my opinion but these metrics separate those on equal number of flags with equal time in the competition.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	33
Averages	0.0606	0.0909	0.5454	1.0909		1.7878
Bris	4	5	20	32	37
Averages	0.108	0.1351	0.54054	0.8648		1.6484
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	127
Averages	0.1259	0.3385	0.6614	1.496		2.6218
Carlton	16	29	67	143	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2283	0.5275	1.1259		2.0076
Essendon	16	28	69	132	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2204	0.5433	1.0393		1.9289
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	29
Averages	0	0.0344	0.2413	0.5862		0.8619
Geelong	10	19	60	134	127
Averages	0.0787	0.1496	0.4274	1.0551		1.7108
GC	0	0	0	0	13
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	18	12
Averages	0	0.0833	0.75	1.5		2.3333
Hawthorn	13	19	54	87	99
Averages	0.1313	0.1919	0.5454	0.8787		1.7473
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	127
Averages	0.1023	0.1417	0.4251	0.7401		1.4092
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	99
Averages	0.0404	0.0909	0.3535	0.7575		1.2423
Port Adelaide	1	2	14	30	27
Averages	0.037	0.074	0.05185	1.1111		1.2739
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	116
Averages	0.112	0.2068	0.4827	0.8534		1.6549
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	127
Averages	0.0078	0.0551	0.1732	0.433		0.6691
Syd / Sth Melb	5	19	44	97	127
Averages	0.0393	0.1496	0.3464	0.7637		1.299
West Coast	4	7	26	55	37
Averages	0.1081	0.1891	0.7027	1.4864		2.4863
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	57	99
Averages	0.0202	0.0404	0.2121	0.5757		0.8484
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	127
	0.0629	0.1023	0.2677	0.4645		0.8974

I've edited Fitzroy to 99 years in the comp.

Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	99
	0.0808	0.1313	0.3434	0.5959		1.1514

 

[Dan26]

Actually I do.

No you don't. Not on the main board. You've been posting the same thing, and only this thing pretty much on this board for 20 years. I'm not sure why either, given if you havn't changed someone's opinion on your 2001st post, why try on your 2002nd? Just get over it.

Sometimes you just have to let it go. You come across as an obsessive bore. Just take a break from this topic for like a year or something. Your life would improve. Take on board some legitimate constructive criticism, and don't take that criticism personally.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I actually raised the notion of judging flags on the basis of the number of teams competing in the season. The round robin point was merely incidental to it. There were four teams competing that year.

I already did this in another thread. There's been 128 seasons of VFL / AFL and they've been contested by either 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 clubs.

I rated them accordingly... A flag won in a season with 4 clubs at 1 point, and a flag won in a season of 18 clubs as 4.5 points:

4 clubs: 1.00 points
6 clubs: 1.50 points
8 clubs: 2.00 points
9 clubs: 2.25 points
10 clubs: 2.50 points
11 clubs: 2.75 points
12 clubs: 3.00 points
14 clubs: 3.50 points
15 clubs: 3.75 points
16 clubs: 4.00 points
17 clubs: 4.25 points
18 clubs: 4.50 points

Points assigned as such, then divided by the number of seasons competed to give a proper ranking:

Rank	Club	Flags	Points	Seasons	Points per season
1	Hawthorn	13	46.25	100	0.4625
2	Brisbane	4	16.5	38	0.4342
3	West Coast	4	16	38	0.4211
4	Collingwood	16	46.25	128	0.3613
5	Carlton	16	45.75	128	0.3574
6	Essendon	16	45	126	0.3571
7	Richmond	13	41.75	117	0.3568
8	Melbourne	13	39.5	125	0.3160
9	Geelong	10	34.75	125	0.2780
10	Adelaide	2	8	34	0.2353
11	Fitzroy	8	16.75	100	0.1675
12	Port Adelaide	1	4	28	0.1429
13	North Melbourne	4	14	100	0.1400
14	Sydney / South Melbourne	5	16	127	0.1260
15	Footscray / Bulldogs	2	7.5	100	0.0750
16	St Kilda	1	3	126	0.0238
17	University	0	0	7	0.0000
18	GWS	0	0	13	0.0000
19	Gold Coast	0	0	14	0.0000
20	Fremantle	0	0	30	0.0000

It’s now tremendously tight between Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.

But the overall messages are clear:

- Hawthorn have been a juggernaut and the most successful club in histoey

- The West Coast and Brisbane - hugely successful expansion clubs

- After that, all the traditional big power clubs

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I already did this in another thread. There's been 128 seasons of VFL / AFL and they've been contested by either 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 clubs.

I rated them accordingly... A flag won in a season with 4 clubs at 1 point, and a flag won in a season of 18 clubs as 4.5 points:

4 clubs: 1.00 points
6 clubs: 1.50 points
8 clubs: 2.00 points
9 clubs: 2.25 points
10 clubs: 2.50 points
11 clubs: 2.75 points
12 clubs: 3.00 points
14 clubs: 3.50 points
15 clubs: 3.75 points
16 clubs: 4.00 points
17 clubs: 4.25 points
18 clubs: 4.50 points

Points assigned as such, then divided by the number of seasons competed to give a proper ranking:

Rank	Club	Flags	Points	Seasons	Points per season
1	Hawthorn	13	46.25	100	0.4625
2	Brisbane	4	16.5	38	0.4342
3	West Coast	4	16	38	0.4211
4	Collingwood	16	46.25	128	0.3613
5	Carlton	16	45.75	128	0.3574
6	Essendon	16	45	126	0.3571
7	Richmond	13	41.75	117	0.3568
8	Melbourne	13	39.5	125	0.3160
9	Geelong	10	34.75	125	0.2780
10	Adelaide	2	8	34	0.2353
11	Fitzroy	8	16.75	100	0.1675
12	Port Adelaide	1	4	28	0.1429
13	North Melbourne	4	14	100	0.1400
14	Sydney / South Melbourne	5	16	127	0.1260
15	Footscray / Bulldogs	2	7.5	100	0.0750
16	St Kilda	1	3	126	0.0238
17	University	0	0	7	0.0000
18	GWS	0	0	13	0.0000
19	Gold Coast	0	0	14	0.0000

It’s now tremendously tight between Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.

Gold Coast are the most unsuccessful club, with 14 seasons for zero flags. But they’re much harder to win now - if they were to win in 2025, they’d leapfrog about half the clubs on the table.

But the overall messages are clear:

- Hawthorn have been a juggernaut and the most successful club in histoey

- The West Coast and Brisbane - hugely successful expansion clubs

- After that, all the traditional big power clubs

This is exactly the analysis I was kind of envisaging. Thanks!

(ps Freo so bad that they don’t even rate as a club )

 

[Bunk Moreland]

This is exactly the analysis I was kind of envisaging. Thanks!

(ps Freo so bad that they don’t even rate as a club )

Ha, whoops. Fixed now.