Updated VFL/AFL premiership tally

[Carringbush2010]

Performance metric of each club measured against time in the competition. Source AFL tables.

Metrics

Flags
GS's
Finals won
Finals played.

Metric divided by years in the comp, for example Adelaide have 2 flags divided by 33 years gives them an average of 0.0606 premierships per year.

Just my opinion but these metrics separate those on equal number of flags with equal time in the competition.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	33
Averages	0.0606	0.0909	0.5454	1.0909		1.7878
Bris	4	5	20	32	37
Averages	0.108	0.1351	0.54054	0.8648		1.6484
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	127
Averages	0.1259	0.3385	0.6614	1.496		2.6218
Carlton	16	29	67	143	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2283	0.5275	1.1259		2.0076
Essendon	16	28	69	132	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2204	0.5433	1.0393		1.9289
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	29
Averages	0	0.0344	0.2413	0.5862		0.8619
Geelong	10	19	60	134	127
Averages	0.0787	0.1496	0.4274	1.0551		1.7108
GC	0	0	0	0	13
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	18	12
Averages	0	0.0833	0.75	1.5		2.3333
Hawthorn	13	19	54	87	99
Averages	0.1313	0.1919	0.5454	0.8787		1.7473
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	127
Averages	0.1023	0.1417	0.4251	0.7401		1.4092
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	99
Averages	0.0404	0.0909	0.3535	0.7575		1.2423
Port Adelaide	1	2	14	30	27
Averages	0.037	0.074	0.05185	1.1111		1.2739
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	116
Averages	0.112	0.2068	0.4827	0.8534		1.6549
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	127
Averages	0.0078	0.0551	0.1732	0.433		0.6691
Syd / Sth Melb	5	19	44	97	127
Averages	0.0393	0.1496	0.3464	0.7637		1.299
West Coast	4	7	26	55	37
Averages	0.1081	0.1891	0.7027	1.4864		2.4863
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	57	99
Averages	0.0202	0.0404	0.2121	0.5757		0.8484
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	127
	0.0629	0.1023	0.2677	0.4645		0.8974

 

[Carringbush2010]

Performance metric of each club measured against time in the competition. Source AFL tables.

Metrics

Flags
GS's
Finals won
Finals played.

Metric divided by years in the comp, for example Adelaide have 2 flags divided by 33 years gives them an average of 0.0606 premierships per year.

Just my opinion but these metrics separate those on equal number of flags with equal time in the competition.

	Flags	GF	Finals Won	Finals played	Years in comp	Total averages
Ade	2	3	18	36	33
Averages	0.0606	0.0909	0.5454	1.0909		1.7878
Bris	4	5	20	32	37
Averages	0.108	0.1351	0.54054	0.8648		1.6484
Collingwood	16	43	84	190	127
Averages	0.1259	0.3385	0.6614	1.496		2.6218
Carlton	16	29	67	143	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2283	0.5275	1.1259		2.0076
Essendon	16	28	69	132	127
Averages	0.1259	0.2204	0.5433	1.0393		1.9289
Fremantle	0	1	7	17	29
Averages	0	0.0344	0.2413	0.5862		0.8619
Geelong	10	19	60	134	127
Averages	0.0787	0.1496	0.4274	1.0551		1.7108
GC	0	0	0	0	13
Averages	0	0	0	0		0
GWS	0	1	9	18	12
Averages	0	0.0833	0.75	1.5		2.3333
Hawthorn	13	19	54	87	99
Averages	0.1313	0.1919	0.5454	0.8787		1.7473
Melbourne	13	18	54	94	127
Averages	0.1023	0.1417	0.4251	0.7401		1.4092
North Melbourne	4	9	35	75	99
Averages	0.0404	0.0909	0.3535	0.7575		1.2423
Port Adelaide	1	2	14	30	27
Averages	0.037	0.074	0.05185	1.1111		1.2739
Ricmond	13	24	56	94	116
Averages	0.112	0.2068	0.4827	0.8534		1.6549
St Kilda	1	7	22	55	127
Averages	0.0078	0.0551	0.1732	0.433		0.6691
Syd / Sth Melb	5	19	44	97	127
Averages	0.0393	0.1496	0.3464	0.7637		1.299
West Coast	4	7	26	55	37
Averages	0.1081	0.1891	0.7027	1.4864		2.4863
WB / Footscray	2	4	21	57	99
Averages	0.0202	0.0404	0.2121	0.5757		0.8484
Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	127
	0.0629	0.1023	0.2677	0.4645		0.8974

I've edited Fitzroy to 99 years in the comp.

Fitzroy	8	13	34	59	99
	0.0808	0.1313	0.3434	0.5959		1.1514

 

[Dan26]

Actually I do.

No you don't. Not on the main board. You've been posting the same thing, and only this thing pretty much on this board for 20 years. I'm not sure why either, given if you havn't changed someone's opinion on your 2001st post, why try on your 2002nd? Just get over it.

Sometimes you just have to let it go. You come across as an obsessive bore. Just take a break from this topic for like a year or something. Your life would improve. Take on board some legitimate constructive criticism, and don't take that criticism personally.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I actually raised the notion of judging flags on the basis of the number of teams competing in the season. The round robin point was merely incidental to it. There were four teams competing that year.

I already did this in another thread. There's been 128 seasons of VFL / AFL and they've been contested by either 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 clubs.

I rated them accordingly... A flag won in a season with 4 clubs at 1 point, and a flag won in a season of 18 clubs as 4.5 points:

4 clubs: 1.00 points
6 clubs: 1.50 points
8 clubs: 2.00 points
9 clubs: 2.25 points
10 clubs: 2.50 points
11 clubs: 2.75 points
12 clubs: 3.00 points
14 clubs: 3.50 points
15 clubs: 3.75 points
16 clubs: 4.00 points
17 clubs: 4.25 points
18 clubs: 4.50 points

Points assigned as such, then divided by the number of seasons competed to give a proper ranking:

Rank	Club	Flags	Points	Seasons	Points per season
1	Hawthorn	13	46.25	100	0.4625
2	Brisbane	4	16.5	38	0.4342
3	West Coast	4	16	38	0.4211
4	Collingwood	16	46.25	128	0.3613
5	Carlton	16	45.75	128	0.3574
6	Essendon	16	45	126	0.3571
7	Richmond	13	41.75	117	0.3568
8	Melbourne	13	39.5	125	0.3160
9	Geelong	10	34.75	125	0.2780
10	Adelaide	2	8	34	0.2353
11	Fitzroy	8	16.75	100	0.1675
12	Port Adelaide	1	4	28	0.1429
13	North Melbourne	4	14	100	0.1400
14	Sydney / South Melbourne	5	16	127	0.1260
15	Footscray / Bulldogs	2	7.5	100	0.0750
16	St Kilda	1	3	126	0.0238
17	University	0	0	7	0.0000
18	GWS	0	0	13	0.0000
19	Gold Coast	0	0	14	0.0000
20	Fremantle	0	0	30	0.0000

It’s now tremendously tight between Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.

But the overall messages are clear:

- Hawthorn have been a juggernaut and the most successful club in histoey

- Then West Coast and Brisbane - hugely successful expansion clubs

- After that, all the traditional big power clubs

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I already did this in another thread. There's been 128 seasons of VFL / AFL and they've been contested by either 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 clubs.

I rated them accordingly... A flag won in a season with 4 clubs at 1 point, and a flag won in a season of 18 clubs as 4.5 points:

4 clubs: 1.00 points
6 clubs: 1.50 points
8 clubs: 2.00 points
9 clubs: 2.25 points
10 clubs: 2.50 points
11 clubs: 2.75 points
12 clubs: 3.00 points
14 clubs: 3.50 points
15 clubs: 3.75 points
16 clubs: 4.00 points
17 clubs: 4.25 points
18 clubs: 4.50 points

Points assigned as such, then divided by the number of seasons competed to give a proper ranking:

Rank	Club	Flags	Points	Seasons	Points per season
1	Hawthorn	13	46.25	100	0.4625
2	Brisbane	4	16.5	38	0.4342
3	West Coast	4	16	38	0.4211
4	Collingwood	16	46.25	128	0.3613
5	Carlton	16	45.75	128	0.3574
6	Essendon	16	45	126	0.3571
7	Richmond	13	41.75	117	0.3568
8	Melbourne	13	39.5	125	0.3160
9	Geelong	10	34.75	125	0.2780
10	Adelaide	2	8	34	0.2353
11	Fitzroy	8	16.75	100	0.1675
12	Port Adelaide	1	4	28	0.1429
13	North Melbourne	4	14	100	0.1400
14	Sydney / South Melbourne	5	16	127	0.1260
15	Footscray / Bulldogs	2	7.5	100	0.0750
16	St Kilda	1	3	126	0.0238
17	University	0	0	7	0.0000
18	GWS	0	0	13	0.0000
19	Gold Coast	0	0	14	0.0000

It’s now tremendously tight between Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.

Gold Coast are the most unsuccessful club, with 14 seasons for zero flags. But they’re much harder to win now - if they were to win in 2025, they’d leapfrog about half the clubs on the table.

But the overall messages are clear:

- Hawthorn have been a juggernaut and the most successful club in histoey

- The West Coast and Brisbane - hugely successful expansion clubs

- After that, all the traditional big power clubs

This is exactly the analysis I was kind of envisaging. Thanks!

(ps Freo so bad that they don’t even rate as a club )

 

[Bunk Moreland]

This is exactly the analysis I was kind of envisaging. Thanks!

(ps Freo so bad that they don’t even rate as a club )

Ha, whoops. Fixed now.

 

[Roylion]

No you don't. Not on the main board. You've been posting the same thing, and only this thing pretty much on this board for 20 years.

I understand completely that you don't like your lists being proven wrong.

I'm not sure why either, given if you havn't changed someone's opinion on your 2001st post, why try on your 2002nd? Just get over it.

I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm merely explaining to others why your list order should be reconsidered.

Sometimes you just have to let it go.

Why? Correcting inaccuracies about my club? I'm sure you would do the same, if the same incorrect information was continally presented as truth.

You come across as an obsessive bore. Just take a break from this topic for like a year or something. Your life would improve.

My life is fine. But thanks for the condescending ad hom comment, despite you knowing nothing about my life. My life doesn't center around this board. I comment when and where I feel like it. And in this case, I felt like it.

Take on board some legitimate constructive criticism,

Take your own advice.

and don't take that criticism personally.

Take your own advice. You're the one that appears to be upset about my criticism about your list order, to the point where you have to resort to irrelevantly attacking me personally because I presented an argument that Brisbane should be at No. 7 in the list you presented on a public board, instead of No 1. I certainly haven't attacked you personally, other than to say that some of the comments you made about me were ironic.

 

[The Tilt]

Lions no. But the bears did. There's even an extremely long article on the lion's website that goes through every last detail, including the North Melbourne attempt.

Who is 'the lion'? Can you provide a link to his website?

 

[Hoops]

My premiership ladder is best

Rank	Club	Premierships	Par Premierships*	Score**	Change
1	Hawthorn	13	7.52	1.73	+1
2	Brisbane	4	2.33	1.71	+5
2	West Coast	4	2.33	1.71	-1
4	Essendon	16	10.49	1.52	-1
5	Carlton	16	10.91	1.47	-1
5	Collingwood	16	10.91	1.47	-1
7	Richmond	13	9.53	1.36	-1
8	Melbourne	13	10.37	1.25
9	Adelaide	2	2.05	0.98
10	Geelong	10	10.48	0.95
11	Fitzroy	8	9.25	0.86
12	Port Adelaide	1	1.66	0.60
13	North Melbourne	4	7.52	0.53
14	Sydney	5	10.66	0.47
15	Western Bulldogs	2	7.52	0.27
16	St Kilda	1	10.49	0.10
17	Fremantle	0	1.78	0.00
17	University	0	0.70	0.00
17	Gold Coast	0	0.78	0.00
17	Greater Western Sydney	0	0.72	0.00

*Par Premierships = accumulation each year of the statistical chance of a team winning the premiership (for 2024 = 1 in 18 or 1/18)
**Score = Premierships / Par Premierships)

 

[Dan26]

I understand completely that you don't like your lists being proven wrong.


I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm merely explaining to others why your list order should be reconsidered.


Why? Correcting inaccuracies about my club? I'm sure you would do the same, if the same incorrect information was continally presented as truth.


My life is fine. But thanks for the condescending ad hom comment, despite you knowing nothing about my life. My life doesn't center around this board. I comment when and where I feel like it. And in this case, I felt like it.




Take your own advice.


Take your own advice. You're the one that appears to be upset about my criticism about your list order, to the point where you have to resort to irrelevantly attacking me personally because I presented an argument that Brisbane should be at No. 7 in the list you presented on a public board, instead of No 1. I certainly haven't attacked you personally, other than to say that some of the comments you made about me were ironic.

Let it go man. I asked you to be a bit more introspective about yourself. All you do is post on the main board about one topic. One. Just one. For 20 years. I honestly don't really care. Really I don't. It's more than I'm kinda interested in human psychology, and I'm more curious than annoyed why you cut-and-paste the same thing again and again for two decades week after week month after month, when you must know that if people didn't agree with you on your 3,456th post they aren't going to on your 3457th. What compels someone to do this with such frequency? It's morbidly curious. It's almost as if you're not even aware of it, but logically you must be, which makes the behavior more bizarre.

You're obviously intelligent. I get that. But you're not very street-smart, because you just can't let it go, despite all the hints. You are indeed a curious individual. It must be hell cutting and pasting the same thing every day/week/month over the course of literally thousands of posts over one topic without getting the message.

Give it a rest for 12 months. Please. I'll even buy you a beer, and then you can resume again on October 11th next year. Deal?

 

[Roylion]

Let it go man. I asked you to be a bit more introspective about yourself. All you do is post on the main board about one topic. One. Just one.

Rubbish. Read a bit more widely. Here's an example. And here's another example. And a further example. And here. And here. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. And one more for good luck. All since July 2023.

What you really mean is I reply to you on the one topic because you constantly get it wrong. Every time.

I honestly don't really care but I'm more kinda interested in human psychology, and I'm more curious than annoyed why you cut-and-paste the same thing again and again for two decades week after week mnth after month, when you must know that if people didn't agree with you on your 3,456th post they aren't going to on your 3457th. What compels someone to do this?

Seeing you've apparently read all my posts, you might realise that I reply to different posters, who at various stages present the same argument. As I said, I'm correcting inaccuracies about my club AND explaining why I regard it as inaccurate. As you no doubt would do. I didn't even bring it up first in this thread. Merely chimed in on an existing public conversation to which you added your 2c worth.

You're obviously intelligent. I get that. But you're not very street smart, because you just can't let it go.

"Street smart"? On an internet board? Come on.

I'm glad my brain isn't wired like yours I can assure you. It must be hell cutting and pasting the same thing every day/week/month over the course of literally thousands of posts over one topic without getting the message.

Not getting the message through to you. But that's ok. I'm not replying to you personally. Otherwise I'd be engaging in such conversations via PM.

Give it a rest for 12 months.

I'll reply on this public board when I decide to. Not when you decide. I've been very polite. I've addressed your thread topic and why I disagree with it. Brisbane Lions should be 7th on the list provided in the OP list. Unlike you, I haven't resorted to irrelevantly attacking you personally because I disagree with your opinion.

 

[Dan26]

Rubbish. Read a bit more widely. Here's an example. And here's another example. And a further example. And here. And here. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. And one more for good luck. All since July 2023.

Oh wow, from over 19,000 posts you've found a dozen examples. Congratulations. What about the other 18,988 posts?

Give it a rest man. Just let it go. As I said, it honestly doesn't annoy me in the slightest, it's just a morbid curiosity as to how one person over 20 years can make, not hundreds, but literally thousands of posts on one topic with no introspection as to how obsessive and how much of a bore it makes him look. All it is, is curiosity from my end. If it didn't work in year one, or two, or five, or fourteen, why are you still going at year 20 on the same bloody thing? It's bizarre, and frankly a bit weird. You are a strange unit - you'd probably make a good defence lawyer.

Yes, you are polite, and I get it that you post when YOU decide, not me (you don't need to lay down the law like a tough guy) but it's more of a request than an order.... a polite request. Have rest from the topic for 12 months. Just give it a go. Please. For all our sakes. Think about it.... if you cede to my polite request, what's the worst thing could happen?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Oh wow, from over 19,000 posts you've found a dozen examples. Congratulations. What about the other 18,988 posts?

Give it a rest man. Just let it go. As I said, it honestly doesn't annoy me in the slightest, it's just a morbid curiosity as to how one person over 20 years can make, not hundreds, but literally thousands of posts on one topic with no introspection as to how obsessive and how much of a bore it makes him look. All it is, is curiosity from my end. If it didn't work in year one, or two, or five, or fourteen, why are you still going at year 20 on the same bloody thing? It's bizarre, and frankly a bit weird. You are a strange unit - you'd probably make a good defence lawyer.

Yes, you are polite, and I get it that you post when YOU decide, not me (you don't need to lay down the law like a tough guy) but it's more of a request than an order.... a polite request. Have rest from the topic for 12 months. Just give it a go. Please. For all our sakes. Think about it.... if you cede to my polite request, what's the worst thing could happen?

You’re acting like it’s been brought up for no reason. It’s all about the context. You started this thread and your error on Brisbane makes a huge difference to this conversation. So it’s totally in context here.

I’d get if it wasn’t and people were just having an unrelated rant about Brisbane… but it’s a glaring error in the OP.

 

[BF Tiger]

League: VFL/AFL

• Competition start date: 1897
• Last year completed 2024
• Seasons completed 128

Joined 1897: Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, St.Kilda, Geelong, Melbourne, South Melbourne, Fitzroy
Joined 1908: Richmond, University
Left competition 1914: University
Joined 1925: Hawthorn, Nth.Melb, Western Bulldogs
Joined 1987: West Coast, Brisbane Bears
Joined 1991: Adelaide
Joined 1995: Fremantle
Left competition 1996: Fitzroy, Brisbane Bears
Joined 1997: Brisbane Lions, Port Adelaide
Joined 2011: Gold Coast
Joined 2012: GWS Giants


Order of premiership success (as a percentage of time in the competition)
1. Brisbane Lions 4 (28 years).............one every 7.0 years
2. Hawthorn 13 (100 years)................one every 7.69 years
3. Essendon 16 (126 years)................ one every 7.88 years
4. Collingwood 16 (128 years)...................one every 8.0 years
5. Carlton 16 (128 years)...................one every 8.0 years
6. Richmond 13 (117 years).................one every 9.0 years
7. West Coast 4 (38 years)................one every 9.5 years
8. Melbourne 13 (125 years)...............one every 9.61 years
9. Geelong 10 (125 years)...................one every 12.5 years
10. Fitzroy 8 (100 years 1897-1996)....one every 12.5 years
11. Adelaide 2 (34 years).....................one every 17 years
12. North Melbourne 4 (100 years).................one every 25 years
13. Sydney/Sth.Melb 5 (127 years).......one every 25.4 years
14. Port Adelaide 1 (28 years)...............one every 28 years
15. Western Bulldogs 2 (100 years)........one every 50 years
16. St.Kilda 1 (126 years)...................one every 126 years
17. University 0 (7 years 1908-14)..............NEVER WON
18. Brisbane Bears 0 (10 years 1987-1996).... NEVER WON
19. GWS Giants 0 (13 years)........................NEVER WON
20. Gold Coast 0 (14 years)........................NEVER WON
21. Fremantle 0 (30 years)....... ..................NEVER WON

I'd be more interested in a comparison between actual premierships v expected premierships.

Example... Richmond.

Joined the league in 1908, making it a 10 team competition. Expected flags per year =0.100
1908-1914 - seven seasons of ten teams at 0.100 = 0.7 expected flags

1915 - 9 teams, expected flags = 0.111
1916 - 4 teams, expected flags = 0.25
1917 - 6 teams, expected flags = 0.166

So on and so forth.

Adding it all up...
4 team seasons (0.250) = 1... expected flags 0.250
6 teams seasons (0.166) = 1... expected flags 0.166
8 team seasons (0.125) = 1... expected flags 0.125
9 team seasons (0.111) = 7... expected flags 0.777
10 team seasons (0.100) = 7... expected flags 0.700
11 team seasons (0.091) = 2... expected flags 0.182
12 team seasons (0.083) = 60... expected flags 4.980
14 team seasons (0.071) = 4... expected flags 0.284
15 team seasons (0.067) = 4... expected flags 0.268
16 team seasons (0.063) = 16... expected flags 1.008
17 team seasons (0.059) = 1... expected flags 0.059
18 team seasons (0.056) = 13... expected flags 0.728

Total Expected Flags = 9.527
Actual Flags = 13
Actual:Expected = 1.365:1

 

[BF Tiger]

Oh wow, from over 19,000 posts you've found a dozen examples. Congratulations. What about the other 18,988 posts?

Give it a rest man. Just let it go. As I said, it honestly doesn't annoy me in the slightest, it's just a morbid curiosity as to how one person over 20 years can make, not hundreds, but literally thousands of posts on one topic with no introspection as to how obsessive and how much of a bore it makes him look. All it is, is curiosity from my end. If it didn't work in year one, or two, or five, or fourteen, why are you still going at year 20 on the same bloody thing? It's bizarre, and frankly a bit weird. You are a strange unit - you'd probably make a good defence lawyer.

Yes, you are polite, and I get it that you post when YOU decide, not me (you don't need to lay down the law like a tough guy) but it's more of a request than an order.... a polite request. Have rest from the topic for 12 months. Just give it a go. Please. For all our sakes. Think about it.... if you cede to my polite request, what's the worst thing could happen?

Don't be a jerk.

 

[BF Tiger]

I already did this in another thread. There's been 128 seasons of VFL / AFL and they've been contested by either 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 clubs.

I rated them accordingly... A flag won in a season with 4 clubs at 1 point, and a flag won in a season of 18 clubs as 4.5 points:

4 clubs: 1.00 points
6 clubs: 1.50 points
8 clubs: 2.00 points
9 clubs: 2.25 points
10 clubs: 2.50 points
11 clubs: 2.75 points
12 clubs: 3.00 points
14 clubs: 3.50 points
15 clubs: 3.75 points
16 clubs: 4.00 points
17 clubs: 4.25 points
18 clubs: 4.50 points

Points assigned as such, then divided by the number of seasons competed to give a proper ranking:

Rank	Club	Flags	Points	Seasons	Points per season
1	Hawthorn	13	46.25	100	0.4625
2	Brisbane	4	16.5	38	0.4342
3	West Coast	4	16	38	0.4211
4	Collingwood	16	46.25	128	0.3613
5	Carlton	16	45.75	128	0.3574
6	Essendon	16	45	126	0.3571
7	Richmond	13	41.75	117	0.3568
8	Melbourne	13	39.5	125	0.3160
9	Geelong	10	34.75	125	0.2780
10	Adelaide	2	8	34	0.2353
11	Fitzroy	8	16.75	100	0.1675
12	Port Adelaide	1	4	28	0.1429
13	North Melbourne	4	14	100	0.1400
14	Sydney / South Melbourne	5	16	127	0.1260
15	Footscray / Bulldogs	2	7.5	100	0.0750
16	St Kilda	1	3	126	0.0238
17	University	0	0	7	0.0000
18	GWS	0	0	13	0.0000
19	Gold Coast	0	0	14	0.0000
20	Fremantle	0	0	30	0.0000

It’s now tremendously tight between Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.

But the overall messages are clear:

- Hawthorn have been a juggernaut and the most successful club in histoey

- Then West Coast and Brisbane - hugely successful expansion clubs

- After that, all the traditional big power clubs

My premiership ladder is best

Rank	Club	Premierships	Par Premierships*	Score**	Change
1	Hawthorn	13	7.52	1.73	+1
2	Brisbane	4	2.33	1.71	+5
2	West Coast	4	2.33	1.71	-1
4	Essendon	16	10.49	1.52	-1
5	Carlton	16	10.91	1.47	-1
5	Collingwood	16	10.91	1.47	-1
7	Richmond	13	9.53	1.36	-1
8	Melbourne	13	10.37	1.25
9	Adelaide	2	2.05	0.98
10	Geelong	10	10.48	0.95
11	Fitzroy	8	9.25	0.86
12	Port Adelaide	1	1.66	0.60
13	North Melbourne	4	7.52	0.53
14	Sydney	5	10.66	0.47
15	Western Bulldogs	2	7.52	0.27
16	St Kilda	1	10.49	0.10
17	Fremantle	0	1.78	0.00
17	University	0	0.70	0.00
17	Gold Coast	0	0.78	0.00
17	Greater Western Sydney	0	0.72	0.00

*Par Premierships = accumulation each year of the statistical chance of a team winning the premiership (for 2024 = 1 in 18 or 1/18)
**Score = Premierships / Par Premierships)

I see we are thinking alike. I just posted something similar having not read through the thread. Nice work.

 

[rapidfire7]

Interesting, those recent 3 flags by the Tigers took them from above Geelong to further above Geelong.

Try to think about something else for once.

 

[Roylion]

Oh wow, from over 19,000 posts you've found a dozen examples. Congratulations. What about the other 18,988 posts?

What about them? You falsely claimed only that I only posted on one topic on the main board. I've already stated I've posted quite often on religion, politics and history elsewhere on these boards. Other topics as well on the Brisbane Lions board. Those would make a fair proportion of the posts I've made over the years. Do a search. In reply to your claim, I gave you a selection of what I posted in the last 12-14 months on topics just on the main board in a search that took about 10 minutes.

Give it a rest man. Just let it go. As I said, it honestly doesn't annoy me in the slightest,

And yet you keep replying. Clearly it does. Seems you're getting a bit obsessive. Or you just like giving out unsolicited advice. Maybe both.

it's just a morbid curiosity as to how one person over 20 years can make, not hundreds, but literally thousands of posts on one topic with no introspection as to how obsessive and how much of a bore it makes him look.

If you can't work out why I've had to explain what actually happened to my club over and over again over the last twenty years to a myriad of different posters then I can't help you. As I said, I didn't even bring it up first in this thread. Merely chimed in on an existing public conversation to which you added your 2c worth. I kept it on topic and explained that Brisbane should be level with West Coast instead of at No 1 as per the topic thread. I know how much you hate your lists being criticised.

I don't post thinking...'gee I wonder what Dan26, the Big Footy arbiter of how much one should post on a particular topic, will think of this'.

All it is, is curiosity from my end. If it didn't work in year one, or two, or five, or fourteen,

Actually I think there's much more awareness around now about what happened.

You are a strange unit - you'd probably make a good defence lawyer.

Ahh...more ad homs.

Yes, you are polite, and I get it that you post when YOU decide, not me (you don't need to lay down the law like a tough guy)

Says he who...what was it again?....told me to "Just take a break from this topic for like a year or something." and "Give it a rest for 12 months."

If you don't want to read what I post, that's perfectly fine with me. And seeing you like giving out unsolicited advice, here's some advice for you.

Use the ignore function. You'll never have to read what I post again.

 

[Roylion]

You post on one topic on the main board to any meaningful extent and you know it.

Certainly I've posted on the topic. As I said, if you can't work out why I've had to explain what actually happened to my club over and over again over the last twenty years to a myriad of different posters then I can't help you.

If you don't want to read them, then the solution for you is simple. Use the ignore function. It won't bother me in the slightest.

Taking the time to find 12 quotes out of 19,000, link to them and reply to my post shows a level of obsession I've not quite seen before.

Just merely refuting your rubbish claim. Took me 10 minutes. Very easy to do using the search function. Perhaps you should try it, before you make further statements which are incorrect.

And if I had the inclination (which I don't) I could find many, many more of my 19,000 posts which are on a variety of topics which I've already mentioned. Do a search.

You would have to be stupid to take a comment like mine literally, when you've made nearly 20,000 posts, and could obviously find a few other topics.

Yet you still made the claim, which of course was just rubbish.

Yet take it literally you did. Read between the lines, you know exactly what I meant.

Then if you didn't mean what you said, post clearly what you did mean. Your claim was shown up for the rubbish statement it was.

As I said, just let it go.


Yet you keep replying. Why? Are YOU obsessed? It honestly doesn't bother me at all. Not in the slightest.

Yes it does. The very fact you made comment in the first place (and that you continue to reply and of course continue to offer 'advice') shows that you are bothered.

I stated it's just a morbid curiosity, as to how someone like you thinks - posting thousands of times on one topic for 20 years and expecting a different outcome.

Why do you care? Are you obsessed? I'm not expecting any outcome other than explaining what really happened to my club, in response to comments that have made over the years by many, many posters.

If you don't want to read my posts, you know what to do. It's very easy.

Yet that is outdone by your stubbornness to not take some well-meaning advice,

I don't really require your unsolicited advice. Yet you feel you have to offer it anyway.

not to mention your totally humorless disposition.

I didn't realise I had to throw some humour into my posts. Is this another Dan26 rule of forum posting to go along with restricting the number of posts, one can post on a particular topic?

The fact that you don't seem to care what anyone thinks is quite admirable.

Why would I care what you think? Once again. If you don't like my posts, feel free to use the ignore function. It's very easy to find and click on. Do it. Maybe then you'll have find peace and satisfaction, seeing my posting history bothers you so much.

 

[Dan26]

Certainly I've posted on the topic. As I said, if you can't work out why I've had to explain what actually happened to my club over and over again over the last twenty years to a myriad of different posters then I can't help you.

If you don't want to read them, then the solution for you is simple. Use the ignore function. It won't bother me in the slightest.



Just merely refuting your rubbish claim. Took me 10 minutes. Very easy to do using the search function. Perhaps you should try it, before you make further statements which are incorrect.

And if I had the inclination (which I don't) I could find many, many more of my 19,000 posts which are on a variety of topics which I've already mentioned. Do a search.


Yet you still made the claim, which of course was just rubbish.


Then if you didn't mean what you said, post clearly what you did mean. Your claim was shown up for the rubbish statement it was.


Yes it does. The very fact you made comment in the first place (and that you continue to reply and of course continue to offer 'advice') shows that you are bothered.


Why do you care? Are you obsessed? I'm not expecting any outcome other than explaining what really happened to my club, in response to comments that have made over the years by many, many posters.

If you don't want to read my posts, you know what to do. It's very easy.


I don't really require your unsolicited advice. Yet you feel you have to offer it anyway.


I didn't realise I had to throw some humour into my posts. Is this another Dan26 rule of forum posting to go along with restricting the number of posts, one can post on a particular topic?


Why would I care what you think? Once again. If you don't like my posts, feel free to use the ignore function. It's very easy to find and click on. Do it. Maybe then you'll have find peace and satisfaction, seeing my posting history bothers you so much.;

My God you are a weird one; really you are. Have a good day. Continue posting on it (just pare it back a notch). All I was trying to do was help. Jesus Christ. And try reading between the lines next time.

 

[Roylion]

My God you are a weird one; really you are.

Ironic.

Continue posting on it (just pare it back a notch).

I'll rest easy now, that I have your permission to continue to post on the topic. I'll post how I please. If you don't like that, you know what to do. The button is very easy to find.

All I was trying to do was help.

For what purpose? Who are you that I need "help" from?

And try reading between the lines next time.

Yeah OK. Stop making outlandish claims that can easily be shown to be outlandish. When proven wrong, apparently now I "can't read between the lines." Please.

 

[Dan26]

Ironic.


I'll rest easy now, that I have your permission to continue post on the topic. I'll post how I please. If you don't like that, you know what to do.



For what purpose? Who are you that I "need help" from?


Yeah OK. Stop making outlandish claims that can easily be shown to be outlandish. When proven wrong, apparently now I "can't read between the lines." Please.

You can’t read between the lines at all. You're not beyond criticism you know. When someone makes a point about you only posting about one topic, when that person has 19,000 posts, it is patently obvious to anyone with a working brain that that isn’t meant to be taken literally. The point (which you missed) was that you spend an inordinate amount of time on one topic and instead of simply acknowledging this fact, you seek to take the literal interpretation of my criticism, go on some ridiculous quest to prove that you’ve made 12 other posts about other things, and by doing so you think you’ve made a point. You havnt. It’s not necessary to waste your time picking apart literal interpretations while ignoring the main point, which was, of course that you are weird obsessive poster about primarily one topic and, I guess if you havnt changed by now you never will. So, I assume we can “look forward” to more of this over the next decade. I’ll be watching with curiosity. Have a good weekend.

 

[Roylion]

You can’t read between the lines at all. When someone makes a point about you only posting about one topic, when that person has 19,000 posts, it is patently obvious to anyone with a working brain that that isn’t meant to be taken literally.

But you said it anyway. So say what you mean clearly.

The point (which you missed) was that you spend an inordinate amount of time on one topic.

So what. As I've repeatedly said, if you can't work out why I've had to explain what actually happened to my club over and over again over the last twenty years to a myriad of different posters then I can't help you.

Instead, you seek to take the literal interpretation, go on some ridiculous quest to prove that you’ve made 12 other posts about other things, and by doing so you think you’ve made a point.

I've made many more than 12 posts on other topics over the course of my time here. You of course can only focus on one thing. And you call me 'obsessed'?

It’s not necessary to waste your time picking apart literal interpretations while ignoring the main point, which was, of course that you are weird obsessive poster about primarily one topic

Now it's "primarily one topic". Why didn't you say that in the first place? Incidentally I've posted extensively on other topics on these boards. Use the search function.

and, I guess if you havnt changed by now you never will.

I'll keep explaining what actually happened in 1996, when it is raised by others. As I have said repeatedly, I'm explaining why statements about my club are inaccurate. I'm sure you would do the same, if the same incorrect information was continually repeated and presented as truth.

And of course commenting on lists that you produce that I believe are incorrect. Brisbane should be equal 7th with West Coast. Not 1st.

So, I assume we can “look forward” to more of this over the next decade.

When other posters make statements that I think are incorrect. And if I have the time and/or the inclination to post. I'm certainly not going to ask your permission to do so.

I’ll be watching with curiosity.

Of course you will. I couldn't care less what you post or how much you post on any topic. Apparently you care how much I post on a topic. And you have the gall to call me "obsessed".

Just use the ignore function if it offends you so much. Be at peace.

 

[Dan26]

But you said it anyway. So say what you mean clearly.


So what. As I said, if you can't work out why I've had to explain what actually happened to my club over and over again over the last twenty years to a myriad of different posters then I can't help you.


I've made many more than 12 posts on other topics over the course of my time here. You of course can only focus on one thing. And you call me obsessed?


Now it's "primarily one topic". Why didn't you say that in the first place? Incidentally I've posted extensively on other topics on these boards.


I'll keep explaining what actually happened in 1996, when it is raised by others. As I have said repeatedly.

And of course commenting on lists that you produce that I believe are incorrect.



When other posters make statements that I think are incorrect. And if I have the time and/or the inclination to post. I'm certainly not going to ask your permission to do so.


Of course you will. I couldn't care less what you post or how much you post on any topic. Apparently you care how much I post on a topic. And you have the gall to call me "obsessed".

Just use the ignore function if it offends you so much. Be at peace.

Now you're just repeating the same thing over and over again. Rinse and repeat. Not about your pet topic this time, but the recent exchange between you and I. You've already made all these points; you don't need to keep repeating them. I heard you the first time. Insane. Absolutely insane. You just can't let anything go. Same humorless tone, same cut-and-paste (not literally) style. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. Astonishing.

 

[Roylion]

Now you're just repeating the same thing over and over again. Rinse and repeat.

How ironic.

Not about your pet topic this time, but the recent exchange between you and I. Insane. Absolutely insane. You just can't let anything go.

How ironic.

Same humorless tone, same cut-and-paste (not literally) style. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. Astonishing.

How ironic.