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[edgie]

Yes, one person in 250 years is sure conclusive that racism is no longer a factor

Well racism was at least officially a factor, systematic institutionalised racism, factor until what, 1960?

So it's 60 years practically speaking, where the opportunities have been level, but a racist undercurrent is a factor, not 250.

There's been roughly 15 elections since then? Obama has won 2 of them. Roughly 13%.

The rough percentage of African Americans in the USA?

13%

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[edgie]

Part of the left's problem is carrying on like it's 1960's Mississippi, it's not, it never will be again thankfully & it's a bullshit card to play when the reality is you ran a shitty administration and Kamala's campaign was a trainwreck.

It can be both.

It can still be bad, even though it isn't as bad as it used to be.

You are right though that the left carries on like not a single thing has improved one iota.

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[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

Oooh don't you believe in free speech huh

Yeah ofc

It’s you leftie protesting about it huh

 

[Brian McGee]

Lol because it’s you and others

You can’t debate, so people come with personal attacks to me.

Again things could of differ but no the lefties chose to attack me from then on it’s was fair game.

Learn how to take a joke instead of making things personal.

To me it comes across as you have not been trying to do anything in this thread but rile people up for a bit of “banter” as you call it. It has nothing to do with people having different opinions, your debate style is purely to aggravate.

 

[Chewy316]

gbear El_Scorcho @ContestedMarx all protesting about Trump being elected

That Trump Tower hotel in Chicago is a ripper. Stayed there last time I was in the windy city.

Part of the left's problem is carrying on like it's 1960's Mississippi, it's not, it never will be again thankfully & it's a bullshit card to play when the reality is you ran a shitty administration and Kamala's campaign was a trainwreck.

The Left live on identity politics so creating these binary opposing viewpoints is their schtick irrespective of how actually truthful they are. And their supporter base buys into it with the utmost of totality. I have a lot of good friends in the States and it's quite incredible how I've seen their brains turn to absolute mush when it comes to the idea of US federal politics.

The Dems could never fathom the idea that they ran a terrible campaign led by an incompetent figurehead as the face of it. Much easier to subliminally blame the other side, be it misinformation, accusations of racism, Nazism etc, all the while not realising that the very people they're denigrating are many of the ones they need to flip in 4 years time.

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

That Trump Tower hotel in Chicago is a ripper. Stayed there last time I was in the windy city.



The Left live on identity politics so creating these binary opposing viewpoints is their schtick irrespective of how actually truthful they are. And their supporter base buys into it with the utmost of totality. I have a lot of good friends in the States and it's quite incredible how I've seen their brains turn to absolute mush when it comes to the idea of US federal politics.

The Dems could never fathom the idea that they ran a terrible campaign led by an incompetent figurehead as the face of it. Much easier to subliminally blame the other side, be it misinformation, accusations of racism, Nazism etc, all the while not realising that the very people they're denigrating are many of the ones they need to flip in 4 years time.

Yeah I need to go to Trump Towers.

 

[PortWTF]

 

[Harlott]

Well racism was at least officially a factor, systematic institutionalised racism, factor until what, 1960?

So it's 60 years practically speaking, where the opportunities have been level, but a racist undercurrent is a factor, not 250.

There's been roughly 15 elections since then? Obama has won 2 of them. Roughly 13%.

The rough percentage of African Americans in the USA?

13%

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“the opportunities have been level”
Wonder what that means?
Some nice maths there to suit a narrative. How many women? How many black VPs? How many black candidates have been put forward for President?

 

[Harlott]

The Dems could never fathom the idea that they ran a terrible campaign led by an incompetent figurehead as the face of it. Much easier to subliminally blame the other side, be it misinformation, accusations of racism, Nazism etc, all the while not realising that the very people they're denigrating are many of the ones they need to flip in 4 years time.

They basically ran the same uninspiring campaign with a geriatric old white dude and won the last time.

 

[sobrave]

The Left live on identity politics so creating these binary opposing viewpoints is their schtick irrespective of how actually truthful they are. And their supporter base buys into it with the utmost of totality. I have a lot of good friends in the States and it's quite incredible how I've seen their brains turn to absolute mush when it comes to the idea of US federal politics.

This is about as good as your predictions about Hinkley

 

[afl2004]

This is about as good as your predictions about Hinkley

Wild people think the left and liberals are the same , dems are right wing as it gets

 

[Chewy316]

They basically ran the same uninspiring campaign with a geriatric old white dude and won the last time.

Biden at the time presented a somewhat unknown alternative, and covid made it a very unique political climate.

But the overwhelming majority of the electorate over there believe they are in a worst position now than 4 years ago, so running essentially the same campaign with a candidate who had such strong ties to the existing administration was never going to be a recipe for success this time around.

 

[sobrave]

Can't believe the left invented the culture wars how could they do this

 

[Harlott]

Biden at the time presented a somewhat unknown alternative, and covid made it a very unique political climate.

But the overwhelming majority of the electorate over there believe they are in a worst position now than 4 years ago, so running essentially the same campaign with a candidate who had such strong ties to the existing administration was never going to be a recipe for success this time around.

All that Biden presented was an uninspiring alternative that still beat Trump even though he was telling everyone what a magnificent job he was doing.
They voters back then obviously thought they were in a worse position than when he entered office in 2017.

 

[JimmyBC]

Can't believe the left invented the culture wars how could they do this

They certainly seem to have invented whiny irrational babies jumping at shadows though.

 

[edgie]

They basically ran the same uninspiring campaign with a geriatric old white dude and won the last time.

Not forgetting that last time the USA was in the midst of a covid-george Floyd shitshow so people were open to something else with more vigour than currently.

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[Pappagallo]

Was totally expecting at least one challenge to fight at the Fulham Gardens Maccas by now. Bit disappointed tbh.

 

[Harlott]

Not forgetting that last time the USA was in the midst of a covid-george Floyd shitshow so people were open to something else with more vigour than currently.

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Yeah ok that’s another theory. Mine goes like this. There’s been so many opportunities to put up a smart woman as a candidate for President. Twice they’ve been a step away and both times they’ve failed spectacularly to get there. The yanks, they just can’t do it. It’s so backward. The reasons might be varied but when push comes to shove, the majority obviously think they’re not up to the duties.

 

[Mikey13G]

 

[PowerBaz]

It's ignored by the media because that's their agenda, not because it's been normalised.
Without footage being put online, you wouldn't know about the extent of it, period. How is that better?

It’s ignored by the mainstream because you can’t show dead babies on the 6PM news?

 

[PowerBaz]

No, what makes you uncomfortable is what is going on around the world atm.

Elon has been key in allowing people across the world to view the situation of what’s going on around the world and allow people to make their own decisions without any political inference.

An example has been this election cycle in the state. Mainstream media has been 94% negative stories about Trump compared with the media being positive about Kamala’s 96%. That’s not a fair and just way too operate, especially when it’s something as key as an election.

Free speech is a key pillar to any normal functioning society. Remove that, and you become a totalitarian state. In which no one would survive.

Elons in it for himself like Trump, but sure he’s doing it for free speech.

 

[backtozero]

It’s ignored by the mainstream because you can’t show dead babies on the 6PM news?

You're not getting it, I don't see any point continuing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

As the Ragin' Cajun James Carville said in 1992, in The War Room doco - it's the economy stupid.

That's why Trump bounced back so hard. People who don't like him, voted for him, because of the impact of inflation on their lives the last 3 years.

Its pointless telling people the rate of of inflation is currently down on the high points, when the accumulated impact of 3 years of inflation ( and supply side constraints) is that goods and services are 20%, or 30%, or 40% or more expensive than 3 years ago and wages haven't kept up. In other words the increased cost of living.

The Democrats need a Bill Clinton type who understands economic policy and can articulate it to people. Obama didn't need to understand economics as there was a strong anti Bush, anti war, anti bail outs, sentiment and the effects of the GFC hadn't hit home yet during the 2008 campaign. But he deserves credit for getting US thru the longer term effects of the GFC, as that was a deep crisis - but it started a lot of the movement away from the Democrats by their traditional working class base.

The challenge for the Democrats is if they do find another Clinton, is to find someone who actually connects with the workers affected by Clinton's free trade policies, globalisation and general trade liberalisation policies.

Great irony is that Clinton worked with traditional Republicans in Congress who were pro free trade, trade agreements like NAFTA and trade liberalisation via APEC, WTO and giving China favoured nations status, which benefited US economy during his 8 years, but longer term eroded the Democrats working class base. Its hard for Democrats to say to the working class, that what Clinton did 25 to 30 years ago, is good for them today.

The other problem for Democrats is they they want unionised labour to help them deliver the ground game come election time, but after the elections, a big chunk of the elected members to different positions, go and buddy up to wealthy corporate types as they need the big $$$ to fight the next election, so they don't necessarily deliver on their promises to those unionised workers.

Biden made a big effort, first President to join a picket line, one report I saw, said last year. But it was too little too late for many working class voters.

If any of you have for the last few years listened to, and now watched Matt Bevan's podcast series, If You've Been Listening, you will know he has spent a lot of this year looking at US elections and in particular the last month and was in USA for a week leading up to the election.

Yesterday when he was analysing the result and the affect of cost of living inflation, he said the US is an expensive place. He said when he was buying things he noticed the price in USD was basically the same price as they were in AUD in Oz, but the average wage over there is lower in USD in US than it is in AUD in Oz. So given the current exchange rate of about $0.65 that makes things expensive.

That is something new. Whenever I have gone to US, or friends have, they always comment about how cheap things are there compared to Oz, especially manufactured goods. It was wonderful travelling to US in 2011 when 1 AUD bought you $1.11 USD. Its easy to sit here and pontificate the whys and wherefores of what's happening in the US, but if people feel they are worse off than you were 4 years ago, basic human instinct is to want to change things.

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

As the Ragin' Cajun James Carville said in 1992, in The War Room doco - it's the economy stupid.

That's why Trump bounced back so hard. People who don't like him, voted for him, because of the impact of inflation on their lives the last 3 years.

Its pointless telling people the rate of of inflation is currently down on the high points, when the accumulated impact of 3 years of inflation ( and supply side constraints) is that goods and services are 20%, or 30%, or 40% or more expensive than 3 years ago and wages haven't kept up. In other words the increased cost of living.

The Democrats need a Bill Clinton type who understands economic policy and can articulate it to people. Obama didn't need to understand economics as there was a strong anti Bush, anti war, anti bail outs, sentiment and the effects of the GFC hadn't hit home yet during the 2008 campaign. But he deserves credit for getting US thru the longer term effects of the GFC, as that was a deep crisis - but it started a lot of the movement away from the Democrats by their traditional working class base.

The challenge for the Democrats is if they do find another Clinton, is to find someone who actually connects with the workers affected by Clinton's free trade policies, globalisation and general trade liberalisation policies.

Great irony is that Clinton worked with traditional Republicans in Congress who were pro free trade, trade agreements like NAFTA and trade liberalisation via APEC, WTO and giving China favoured nations status, which benefited US economy during his 8 years, but longer term eroded the Democrats working class base. Its hard for Democrats to say to the working class, that what Clinton did 25 to 30 years ago, is good for them today.

The other problem for Democrats is they they want unionised labour to help them deliver the ground game come election time, but after the elections, a big chunk of the elected members to different positions, go and buddy up to wealthy corporate types as they need the big $$$ to fight the next election, so they don't necessarily deliver on their promises to those unionised workers.

Biden made a big effort, first President to join a picket line, one report I saw, said last year. But it was too little too late for many working class voters.

If any of you have for the last few years listened to, and now watched Matt Bevan's podcast series, If You've Been Listening, you will know he has spent a lot of this year looking at US elections and in particular the last month and was in USA for a week leading up to the election.

Yesterday when he was analysing the result and the affect of cost of living inflation, he said the US is an expensive place. He said when he was buying things he noticed the price in USD was basically the same price as they were in AUD in Oz, but the average wage over there is lower in USD in US than it is in AUD in Oz. So given the current exchange rate of about $0.65 that makes things expensive.

That is something new. Whenever I have gone to US, or friends have, they always comment about how cheap things are there compared to Oz, especially manufactured goods. It was wonderful travelling to US in 2011 when 1 AUD bought you $1.11 USD. Its easy to sit here and pontificate the whys and wherefores of what's happening in the US, but if people feel they are worse off than you were 4 years ago, basic human instinct is to want to change things.

Exactly REH

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

Elons in it for himself like Trump, but sure he’s doing it for free speech.

Elon’s in it so much from himself that he's the only influential person that stood up Labor’s stupid misinformation bill.

Although I will counter by saying Elon does need to clean up the website, far too much pr0n, ads, and other crap on there and "Premium,” as he calls it, or Twitter Blue, as it used to be called, can get in the fücking bin.