Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

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The race is run, the winner declared!

For further discussion of the election:

USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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For discussion of the losing candidate:

USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[stefcep]

Sure but the point is government should be free from religious influence. That's not to say politicians can't be religious but when religious texts are being used to dictate policy, then you're in a world of trouble.

Why? Our legal system is founded on Judeo-Christian prnciples.

And besides, what do you propose? That those whose code of morality is founded in religion should have their votes suppressed? If you did that globally, you'd suppress the vote of nearly everyone.

 

[sherb]

Trump has clearly stated he will not do this.

Lucky he's not the type to go back on his word then.

 

[smelly cat]

I’ve got pics, because I’ve traveled there, you haven’t moved much past the corner milk bar!
Pics or you’re done mate?!

Downtown LA.
Go ahead and reverse image search.

Democrat stronghold. Behold the inevitable conclusion of the left wing agenda.

 

[the_interloper]

Did you forget about the 4 years where Trump pretended he didn’t lose the 2020 election?

Well at least he doesn't have to pretend about the 2024 election!

Does anyone know of a pollster who called such a bloodbath? Most of the ones I saw had it very close either way.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The first amendment clearly states the following:

• Establishment Clause: Prohibits the government from establishing a religion or making any religion the official religion
• Free Exercise Clause: Protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please

Exactly my point. It was written based on religious freedom. Thats the aim.

 

[sherb]

 

[stefcep]

The first amendment clearly states the following:

• Establishment Clause: Prohibits the government from establishing a religion or making any religion the official religion
• Free Exercise Clause: Protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please

That just means the government can't force a religion onto anyone, and those that choose religion can do so without being persecuted. Its the second part the hard left has a problem with.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

for example a lot of the Asian immigrants who have come to America with nothing have become pretty successful in their endeavours but they also understand not everyone starts with the same opportunities and some face more hardships that prevent them from this experience.

Your man Trump wants to deport a whole lot of them because they're not all legal.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You understand a tariff is a tax right?

Not that I agree with the tariff v income tax argument but at least a tariff only applies to things you consume. Income tax is taken unilaterally. You could live in a chalet in the Forrest with your own power and still pay 60% of your income to the Government. Under a tariff system, theoretically you pay for what you consume, if you consume less you contribute less.

Now I don't think he's actually going to do that but it does raise an interesting question of fairness.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This is what’s happening TODAY. Under Democratic policies. The worst cities with the worst suffering on the streets are Democrat cities in Democrat states and have been for decades. San Francisco. Philly. Baltimore. Detroit. And if people complain about the policies that institutionalise such widespread suffering and human degradation they are Nazis! Racists! Bigots!

The fact is, the working poor are getting cornholed today and they are being told to shut up and like it. It could be worse, you know, if the Nazis are in charge. The free thinkers who just want to be left alone are canceled with abandon. The people who don’t want to what amounts to almost 1/4 of the Australian federal budget on a war with the world’s largest nuclear nation are told they are Putin lovers.

Consider this: A person so dislikable that a potted plant beat him last time, was able to overcome that headwind and win all three elected federal institutions. At some point, the leftists have to stop and ask, “Is it me? Am I the problem?”

But, personally, I hope the left never does. I hope they continue for a long, long time concluding that it’s the stupid, racist, Nazi, women-hating bigots who are the problem. And that they continue to scream this at the top of their lungs at the corner of Swanston and Bourke every chance they get.

Yeah, reflection and self analysis are skills SORELY NEEDED in the aftermath of any defeat. What went wrong? Why? What do we have to do to rectify this problem?

The last paragraph - because our core political values are obviously mismatched I'm obviously going to hope that left-wing progressives actually can get their sh*t together in that nation, and here in Australia for that matter.

 

[black is White]

Sure but the point is government should be free from religious influence. That's not to say politicians can't be religious but when religious texts are being used to dictate policy, then you're in a world of trouble.

I completely agree with you religion and government are two different things entirely and it should stay that way. Which coincides with my opinion on gay marriage. Churches and priests shouldn't be forced by government to wed couples and it should solely be government based weddings instead of religious based weddings unless some religious figures wish to be apart of it. It's like trying to force Muslims to go to a Christian church to get married, neither want to do it but if government enforce it you don't have a say on both sides. It's really basic common sense. Religion and politics don't mix well the only thing politics should do with religion is tax them properly which doesn't happen and probably make sure there's not a harmful cult forming in an extremists sense and that's basically it.

 

[Satan]

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guess nothing is immune

 

[Gak Attack]

Could you have had 2 more depressing options than Trump and Harris? No wonder 15m odd more people than the previous election chose to not bother voting

I was having a discussion about how sad this is with friends last night. Even in Australia the options have been shocking. I'm 40 and trying to think who actually has come accross as both genuine and likeable in both countries in my time as an adult. In the US Obama for sure, although in hindsight it's a shame he didn't do more when in and then Clinton at the time (not now for obvious reasons!). In Australia you're probably going back to the 90's, Beazley was OK and possibly Turnbull if he had bit more backbone against his own party.

 

[The Sultan]

Explain to me how lock downs cause inflation?

change in spending patterns, i work for a company where our sales grew by over 50% year on year when the covid/lockdowns hit, and that only takes into account actual sales. if we had of had the stock it would have been much bigger.
we are a higher end consumer good, people had extra money in their pocket as they couldnt spend it on going out and day-to-day stuff. so rather than buying a cheap home good, they brought ours.
this spike wasnt local it was global, and increased demand flows back onto the various supply chains and therefore causes increased prices and the passing onto the consumer of those price increases. .

also businesses saw everyone else increase their prices and through heres a good excuse to bump up prices and blame it on the "cost of living crisis"

people will have to realise that we will have to eat shit for a while, chose where we spend out dollars, and that will balance out the inflation and price rises. pre-covid was a different world and we have to accept the changes.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

When you refer to religion, you mean Christianity and Judasim right?
They are the bad religiions.

Indigenous dreaming and Islam are the good religions and they are allowed to impact politics.

Yeah, the fundamentalist Muslim regimes are just the most equitable in the world, aren't they? Those countries have really shown the way by allow religion to influence politics.

FFS.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Why? Our legal system is founded on Judeo-Christian prnciples.

And besides, what do you propose? That those whose code of morality is founded in religion should have their votes suppressed? If you did that globally, you'd suppress the vote of nearly everyone.

Our legal system is founded on the principles of fairness, equality and evidence.

You are straw-manning my argument. I quite clearly stated it's a fundamental human right to follow your religion and for others not to. Imagine, if Islam became the most dominant religion in Australia - would you want a government run along Islamic principles?

 

[faible]

are ones im not waivering from. Number 2 is where tariffs fit in.

Tarrifs almost certainly won't fix the tax system. It'll raise the cost of goods manufactured overseas e.g. China and mean the end consumer pays more. Which is fine if you're already well enough of, but not if you're low-to-middle income.

Reducing company tax is just your stock standard 'trickle down economics' once more. It'll send money in to the pockets of company owners and shareholders (e.g. disproportionately to the wealthy) instead of to the workers.

Covid should have been a clear illustration of what happens when you give different demographics cash. Put it in the hands of companies and it helps no one. Put it in the hands of people (e.g. Jobseeker supplement) and it actually gets spent on goods and services.

 

[Father Jack]

That just means the government can't force a religion onto anyone, and those that choose religion can do so without being persecuted. Its the second part the hard left has a problem with.

The 'hard left' only has a problem when people try to force their religion on everyone else, people practicing their religion and keeping it to themselves is not a problem, but trying to make whatever country you live in a 'christian (or Islamic or whatever)' county absolutely is, and we see a hell of a lot that bullshit around.

 

[carlton_99]

The constitution is based on religious text. Has worked okay so far

Can you point me to the religious text that says that automatic rifles are needed to defend yourself?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Jesus Christ it’s effect not affect.

You also misspelled steel. Just stop.

Steele, hey? I think black is White just likes themselves a bit of sidebottom

 

[faible]

Why? Our legal system is founded on Judeo-Christian prnciples.

This isn't a good reason to keep religion in Government or the Legal System today. Since Judeo-Christian principles are also largely just a rip-off of other religions that came before them anyway.

 

[The Sultan]

lol Dutton. Imagine supporting that potato testicle in human form.

fixed that for you

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Exactly my point. It was written based on religious freedom. Thats the aim.

And if one party is putting that religious freedom at risk?

 

[stefcep]

Our legal system is founded on the principles of fairness, equality and evidence.

You are straw-manning my argument. I quite clearly stated it's a fundamental human right to follow your religion and for others not to. Imagine, if Islam became the most dominant religion in Australia - would you want a government run along Islamic principles?

Well it actually is true that this nation was founded as a Christian one, which is why Paliament still to this day opens with the Lord's Prayer.

As for your second point no I wouldn't that because that's incompatible with our values and beliefs.

 

[faible]

change in spending patterns, i work for a company where our sales grew by over 50% year on year when the covid/lockdowns hit, and that only takes into account actual sales. if we had of had the stock it would have been much bigger.
we are a higher end consumer good, people had extra money in their pocket as they couldnt spend it on going out and day-to-day stuff. so rather than buying a cheap home good, they brought ours.
this spike wasnt local it was global, and increased demand flows back onto the various supply chains and therefore causes increased prices and the passing onto the consumer of those price increases. .

also businesses saw everyone else increase their prices and through heres a good excuse to bump up prices and blame it on the "cost of living crisis"

people will have to realise that we will have to eat shit for a while, chose where we spend out dollars, and that will balance out the inflation and price rises. pre-covid was a different world and we have to accept the changes.

Lockdown wasn't necessarily the cause in and of itself, most Governments printed a whole heap of extra cash and funneled it in to the economy, which surprise surprise, caused inflation.