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adelaidecrows said:
Didnt Australia find a similar problem. Because courts wont allow anyone to be sent home who faces the risk of death and torture. Not saying its right but it sounds familiar.
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We are lucky here as its a long way to sail a boat. And the coalition struck a master stroke in annexing christmas island from the migration zone as thats the first place the boats came to. Then we had tow backs..a policy the UK should be doing right now
 

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Crow till I die said:
I mean, you know it, i know it and most of everyone else not completely brainwashed by the left wing media cabal know it...
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I actually havent seen anyone compliment Biden and Harris on the border. Once Trump had shut the border, reopening it at the time of Covid and post covid was terribly misconceived. Plus aside from crime and economic instability which neither is an excuse for asylum. Which most illegals are escaping just that. I dont think anyones denying that.
 
Crow till I die said:
Just pass the first one H.R.2..no need for anything else
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Trump was not an elected member of congress. The Bill was sound and as a bipartisan bill it was going to go through. In what world does Trump get a say over elected members? thats the problem. He could have still come in right now and going to do what he is going to do. But he single handedly inflicted millions of illegals on americans..for what? you argue congress should have done something else, they shouldnt have had to. Trump is not a member of congress.
 
ADL9798 said:
We’ll be hearing a lot of this buyer’s remorse over the next 4 years.
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Well then they’ll have lost nothing. They swept Trump to a crushing victory because they already have buyer’s remorse — about the current administration.

Something you people always want to memory-hole is that voters already know what a Trump Administration looks like, and therefore they have plenty of evidence that people like you are full of shit.
 
adelaidecrows said:
Trump was not an elected member of congress. The Bill was sound and as a bipartisan bill it was going to go through. In what world does Trump get a say over elected members? thats the problem. He could have still come in right now and going to do what he is going to do. But he single handedly inflicted millions of illegals on americans..for what? you argue congress should have done something else, they shouldnt have had to. Trump is not a member of congress.
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Why did you completely ignore H.R.2 that was passed a year earlier and killed by the senate democrats and was far more of a border security bill than the rubbish put together by RINO langford and the democrats. No matter how many times you want to lie and say tbe border is trumps fault, history and facts smack you in the face on it
 
Slippery Pete said:
They swept Trump to a crushing victory because they already have buyer’s remorse — about the current administration.
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Which I agree with - literally the next sentence in the post you quoted.

I’m not sure why you would assume that just because they have buyer’s remorse about this administration that they won’t have it for the next one, or that they didn’t for the previous 4-5 (Democrat & Republican).

As I said, this isn’t just one election cycle, there has been a 15+ year erosion in economic equality and living standards for working class Americans that kicked off with the GFC and was compounded by COVID. We’ve had a similar story here in Australia, and in many other developed countries. The US has the added distinction of a uniquely f***ed health system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy. History is littered with examples of populist leaders and the far right picking up votes from people who want to disrupt systems that are failing them.

Trump sold a more compelling message of change to fix that system than Harris did, that’s self evident. Will he though?

Slippery Pete said:
Something you people always want to memory-hole is that voters already know what a Trump Administration looks like, and therefore they have plenty of evidence that people like you are full of shit.
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ADL9798 said:
You’d have to be exceptionally naive to think Trump - a billionaire property developer and trust fund baby from Manhattan who would run over his own grandmother for a dollar - is actually going to do anything meaningful to improve the lives of those people though.
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Happy for you to bookmark this, or maybe you could share examples of his achievements for working class Americans given there is ‘plenty of evidence’.
 
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Crow till I die said:
Why did you completely ignore H.R.2 that was passed a year earlier and killed by the senate democrats and was far more of a border security bill than the rubbish put together by RINO langford and the democrats. No matter how many times you want to lie and say tbe border is trumps fault, history and facts smack you in the face on it
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So I just read up into HR2.

Ok so on its merits it was a tough bill and it would have seriously slowed down illegal immigration. I get it. But based on what I read it was the affect on those seeking asylum.

So 1st things first I will explain my experiences with the USA Government. During Covid and even up until 2022, 2023 many government departments that worked face to face with people were all but running on skeleton staff and were appointment based only. Many appointments just to see someone were at least 12 months and thats even if the phone rings. You cant even enter the building without an appointment.

So based on what I read, this was one of the primary concerns. It was voted down and a different bill was created. Which is the one Trump killed.

To my understanding, the democrats wanted to be open for asylum seekers but totally underestimated on the amount of people who would seek to take advantage of that and it blew the system apart. No doubt they shit the bed and no one is denying that. The right bill though was the one in Feb that Trump killed that was viewed to have good processing terms for genuine asylum seekers. HR2 while good on the surface was brutally tough. I guess it depends on the goal. If you want to end anyone crossing the borders even to seek asylum HR2 was the one.

The USA has always been a haven for asylum seekers hence the sanctuary cities who were always willing to help. This only changed under Trump. I dont think its right for us foreigners to tell the USA how to handle their business when it comes to asylum issues. But obviously we can discuss which one fits in with the long term goals of accepting asylum seekers in a timely manner and dealing with illegals within those goals.

So now its your turn! Tell me about Trumps dismissal of the border bill.
 
Mutineer said:
The left taking it real badly..

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Following Trump's victory, women are taking inspiration from a 17th-century serial killer who sold poisons to kill abusive husbands.
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Far left taking it badly but so are the right. Many people are now realizing the affect off tariffs. Playstation 5s are now tipped to go for over $1000k US Dollars once Trump starts bringing in tariffs. There are reports of MAGA voters complaining about losing their jobs as companies are making cuts in preparation for higher operating costs. Many suppliers who import goods to the USA are now refusing to sign contracts for next year with businesses under current price structures. Most of them are now saying they will send new price lists in Spring (March-April).

Many retailers are now seeking to bulk buy up as much as possible before Tariffs come in. A lot of exporters are begging companies in China and others to also bulk buy from USA companies before revenge tariffs come in. Just a reality.

Just saw a stat that undocumented workers in the USA paid $96Billion Dollars into social security and medicare. Because they dont have documents they dont get this money back.

Everything reads real well for tax cuts and cheaper cost of living.
 
ADL9798 said:
Which I agree with - literally the next sentence in the post you quoted.

I’m not sure why you would assume that just because they have buyer’s remorse about this administration that they won’t have it for the next one, or that they didn’t for the previous 2-3 (Democrat & Republican).

As I said, this isn’t just one election cycle, there has been a 15+ year erosion in economic equality and living standards for working class Americans that kicked off with the GFC and was compounded by COVID. We’ve had the same story here in Australia, and in many other developed countries. History is littered with examples of populist leaders and the far right picking up votes from people who want to protest a system that is failing them.

Trump sold a more compelling message of change to fix that system than Harris did, that’s self evident. Will he though?



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Happy for you to bookmark this, or maybe you could share examples of his achievements for working class Americans from his first term given there is ‘plenty of evidence’.
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Trump supporters dont truly understand that he benefited from a protest vote over the illegal immigration and the economy. The fact many of his high up members are now saying the USA endorsed his mandate. Clearly they have miss read the room. If he governs and listens to the people and makes life better like MAGA believe then he has no problems. But Tariffs and mass deportations will skyrocket the cost of living which will seriously hurt his favourability.

But we know Biden will be blamed for it all.
 
Ive seen a few posts going around about how family members are being disowned because they voted for Trump and friendships being ruined.

Having lost my mum to cancer, I have known life is short for a long time and its definitely too short to let politics get in the way of cherished relationships. This isnt a political post and dont want it to turn into a troll fest. But just thought Id share it as i can certainly guarantee everyone who let politics get in the way of friends and family will forever regret it. Just like id never let it come between friendships on here. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and no ones is more right or wrong than anyone elses.

Its Christmas, and I hope everyone has a blast!
 

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Slippery Pete said:
If they had’ve just kept Trump’s policies in place, there would’ve been nothing to do. Literally nothing.

Right out of the gate, Biden took 89 executive actions reversing Trump’s immigration policies.

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Eagleboy2011 said:
So that means 8 house seats in play. Do you know where they are. Alaska is one. They have a crazy ranked choice ballot so that could take a while.
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7 now - DecisionHQ called CA 41 to the repubs so its now 209-219. Alaska should go to the repubs so that leaves 6 californian seats left to play out where the republicans are favored in 2 of them - so 222-213 looks the split which ironically is exactly the same margin as the 2022 mid term house election results AND the 2020 house election results....what would the odds have been for that if this one plays out that way???
 
ADL9798 said:
Happy for you to bookmark this, or maybe you could share examples of his achievements for working class Americans given there is ‘plenty of evidence’.
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This isn’t a discussion about his policies. I’m more than happy to have that discussion with you, but this isn’t it.

It’s a discussion about you and your crowd over there, somehow believing — against all the available evidence — that you still occupy the intellectual and moral high ground.

It’s also about the propaganda news sources you consume that continue to ratify this delusional, broken belief system in all of you.

I’m old enough to remember you and some others over the last few years posting about how the Dems didn’t really create a border crisis, & how it was all a big conspiracy theory, and here, look at this chart proving that it’s all very complicated!

Aren’t you mad at the people who had you believe that bullshit? Don’t you possess the slightest ounce of introspection to determine they might be bullshitting you about a lot of other things too?

You have all spent the last three or four years crapping on about “democracy” and now democracy has delivered a crushing, terminal blow to your entire worldview, and your only response to that is…


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