US Election

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Essentially you want to put tariffs on stuff you make, and not on stuff you don’t make.

European countries & Japan etc tariff the absolute shit out of the US auto industry, as an example.

So you can be strategic about where you put them, and use it as a bargaining chip.

I agree with you that you can’t just go in and slap them on everything, but using some economic leverage to protect American workers and American industries is a good thing.



Looking forward to your response on the border security issue.

Re the border you are right you can’t put a $$ figure on it. Well you can estimate the cost of removing the illegals (call it 1T or so) and the likely negative economic consequences of removing them as a cheap and abundant labour source. But you are right re keeping Americans safe it’s impossible to put a $ figure on it

The real question is how much crime do they commit? I haven’t googled before writing this but had read previously migrant crime was LOWER than averages across the country. Trump mentioned a few (2-3) girls that were r*ped and murdered. Disgraceful. I am all for capital punishment for bastards that do this shit,

But how common is it? Especially relative to the real scourge in the US which we all know is the 50,000 people per year dying from guns Just a complete and utter farce they haven’t amended this constitutional right as weapons have modernised over the decades,

Don’t you think gun violence is the real issue needing addressing in terms of violence? That’s the real evil where gun manufacturers see fit to market pretty pink rifles to teenage girls. Like how ****** up is that as a society that both parties haven’t been able to fix

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

https://www.gricegunshop.com/key2220-keystone-cricket-my-first-rifle-pink-synthetic-blued.html

 

[adelaidecrows]

Just to clarify a lot of my post grad studies have been in economics so trust me I do get it.

Is Trump putting tariffs just on stuff the US makes though? I thought it was a broad based including food which the US imports about 30% of the nations total food consumption. Clearly 20-60%:tariffs just focussing on the simple item of food means it’s not a one off or short term phenomenon (or indeed “fake news”). It’s additional costs that each individual who eats any imported food will need to find extra income for every week/minth/year.

The real “spike” in inflation comes in year one where import prices adjust upwards (assume 20%) but even if inflation from food then levels out its still STRUCTURALLY 20% higher than it was pre tariffs.

The golden rule in economics is tariffs = higher inflation = higher I/rates = lower GDP AND likely retaliatory tariffs from other nations.

Just on this point before I move on, do you accept the above is true?

Trump wants to target specific countries not items. But logically, as you state inflation kicks in as demand for locally made products increases. Not to mention the old business and corporate penchant to jack up prices due to less competition.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Is Trump putting tariffs just on stuff the US makes though? I thought it was a broad based including food which the US imports about 30% of the nations total food consumption.

He’s been broad in his rhetoric (usually is) but I expect he’ll be a lot more strategic in practice.

Just on this point before I move on, do you accept the above is true?

Answered this above. I agree with you it’s a problem if you do it across the board.. if you do it strategically you can have other nations bring their tariffs down and bring some balance to the equation.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Re the border you are right you can’t put a $$ figure on it. Well you can estimate the cost of removing the illegals (call it 1T or so) and the likely negative economic consequences of removing them as a cheap and abundant labour source. But you are right re keeping Americans safe it’s impossible to put a $ figure on it

The real question is how much crime do they commit? I haven’t googled before writing this but had read previously migrant crime was LOWER than averages across the country. Trump mentioned a few (2-3) girls that were r*ped and murdered. Disgraceful. I am all for capital punishment for bastards that do this shit,

But how common is it? Especially relative to the real scourge in the US which we all know is the 50,000 people per year dying from guns Just a complete and utter farce they haven’t amended this constitutional right as weapons have modernised over the decades,

Don’t you think gun violence is the real issue needing addressing in terms of violence? That’s the real evil where gun manufacturers see fit to market pretty pink rifles to teenage girls. Like how ****** up is that as a society that both parties haven’t been able to fix

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

https://www.gricegunshop.com/key2220-keystone-cricket-my-first-rifle-pink-synthetic-blued.html

Cant put a figure on it but the crime wave by illegals was some serious shit. They were eating the cats, they were the dogs, the geese from parks have gone missing.

Seriously though, illegals dont generally come into a country to start shit because they dont want to be caught and sent home. So the stats are actually pretty low. Its why during the election the republicans had to invent crimes. Like the ficticious Venezuelan cartels overtaking colorado apartment buildings. Amazing how that issue disappeared after the election. Apparently doesnt exist now. There was the odd murder by 1 crazed illegal that I read, killed 3 people.

 

[adelaidecrows]

He’s been broad in his rhetoric (usually is) but I expect he’ll be a lot more strategic in practice.



Answered this above. I agree with you it’s a problem if you do it across the board.. if you do it strategically you can have other nations bring their tariffs down and bring some balance to the equation.

This is true. Its one of those we need to be patient on before we judge. I dont think its the primary concern of Trumps administration though.

 

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[Slippery Pete]

The real question is how much crime do they commit? I haven’t googled before writing this but had read previously migrant crime was LOWER than averages across the country. Trump mentioned a few (2-3) girls that were r*ped and murdered. Disgraceful. I am all for capital punishment for bastards that do this shit,

But how common is it?

Can’t believe I even have to say this, but one American r*ped and murdered by an illegal immigrant is one too many.

I’m not interested in discussing with you what an acceptable number is. Zero is the only acceptable number.

I’m also not interested in segueing this into a discussion about gun rights. But nice try.

Every single person who is in the country illegally needs to be identified, found and deported. (“Every single person” is probably not going to happen in practice, but it should be the aim.)

You either have a border or you don’t. Not negotiable.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Can’t believe I even have to say this, but one American r*ped and murdered by an illegal immigrant is one too many.

I’m not interested in discussing with you what an acceptable number is. Zero is the only acceptable number.

I’m also not interested in segueing this into a discussion about gun rights. But nice try.

Every single person who is in the country illegally needs to be identified, found and deported. (“Every single person” is probably not going to happen in practice, but it should be the aim.)

You either have a border or you don’t. Not negotiable.

I agree. Its not likely that a decent % of the estimated 11m illegals in the country will get close to being removed in just Trumps term. But he wont need to. Once deportations start and border crossings are closed, then news will get out and people will stop coming.

 

[adelaidecrows]

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Thats what you get for being afraid of a loud minority and being cancelled by them. It really was a stupid era.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Can’t believe I even have to say this, but one American r*ped and murdered by an illegal immigrant is one too many.

I’m not interested in discussing with you what an acceptable number is. Zero is the only acceptable number.

I’m also not interested in segueing this into a discussion about gun rights. But nice try.

Every single person who is in the country illegally needs to be identified, found and deported. (“Every single person” is probably not going to happen in practice, but it should be the aim.)

You either have a border or you don’t. Not negotiable.

No one seems to be talking about 350K plus children that have been trafficked into the USA and are totally missing.
The left just tries to make people that illegally entered the USA as victims.
As of today, I don't believe any of the Dem's leadership has reached out to the murdered victims' families as a result of their policies.

 

[steve9798]

Not at all, you should be grateful I don’t classify you as an idiot as I do the rest of the posters on this thread.

And just on nether regions, I’ve had a recent surgery on that area (normal man’s issues), so find that in extremely poor taste.

By the way, have you been to the USA?

Ignorant, brainwashed liberal snob.

 

[steve9798]

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and 40,000 missing children.

 

[steve9798]

Can’t believe I even have to say this, but one American r*ped and murdered by an illegal immigrant is one too many.

I’m not interested in discussing with you what an acceptable number is. Zero is the only acceptable number.

I’m also not interested in segueing this into a discussion about gun rights. But nice try.

Every single person who is in the country illegally needs to be identified, found and deported. (“Every single person” is probably not going to happen in practice, but it should be the aim.)

You either have a border or you don’t. Not negotiable.

New Yorks liberals were okay with open borders until the problem came to their leafy sanctuaries. Great move by De Santis and co to bus them into blue states.

The Left hate it when they have to experience the consequences of their flawed, deranged ideologies and policies.

 

[Crow till I die]

Can’t believe I even have to say this, but one American r*ped and murdered by an illegal immigrant is one too many.

I’m not interested in discussing with you what an acceptable number is. Zero is the only acceptable number.

I’m also not interested in segueing this into a discussion about gun rights. But nice try.

Every single person who is in the country illegally needs to be identified, found and deported. (“Every single person” is probably not going to happen in practice, but it should be the aim.)

You either have a border or you don’t. Not negotiable.

That is exactly right, anyone crossing that border illegally is breaking the law and need to be removed without exception. The law is the law and without a border you don't have a country. Make no mistake that immigration was almost THE number 1 issue of that election. If the vile b@stards that trashed the country for 4 years didn't make it their mission to ignore this and actively flood the country with millions of illegals to shore up their voter base and any crime and deaths just seen as collateral damage, there woukd be no need to spend billions deporting them.

 

[Crow till I die]

He’s been broad in his rhetoric (usually is) but I expect he’ll be a lot more strategic in practice.



Answered this above. I agree with you it’s a problem if you do it across the board.. if you do it strategically you can have other nations bring their tariffs down and bring some balance to the equation.

An example of smelling the winds and making a business decsion accordingly. Trump is not even in the hot seat yet and its already having an effect

Steve Madden announces plan to 'rapidly' move production out of China following Trump election win

Popular shoe retailer Steve Madden announces it will "rapidly" pull back its China-based production by up to 45%, just days after Trump's 2024 election win.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Slippery Pete]

Did the trend for increasing socioeconomic disadvantage, inequality and illegal immigration only become a thing under Biden? You're really going to sit there and argue that Republicans had nothing to do with any of this? Are you that naive? Or dishonest?

In reality the majority of these issues are of course many years and governments in the making (with responsibility sitting with both Democrats and Republicans). A bit like the abject failure of successive Australian governments to solve the housing crisis - the biggest policy issue of our time. In my view both Labor and Liberals are equally impotent and at fault for f***ing this up.

-Biden took 89 very intentional executive orders to wind back Trump’s immigration policies.

-Notwithstanding previous immigration issues, the current shitshow is entirely owing to the Biden Administration.

-They did it on purpose. It was not incompetence, it was a malevolent, cynical power grab.

-I agree with your second paragraph. I don’t wave political-party pom poms.

How about your favourite subject - who was US President when Operation Warp Speed (COVID vaccine rollout) was initiated and delivered? Who was US President when most of the COVID lockdowns were in place? Or were these things only a problem in your eyes when a Democrat was running the show?

-I was a big critic of him handing over the country to that sewer rat Fauci.

-Hardcore extended lockdowns were almost entirely in blue states. Trump and most red state governers moved on from that scam after it became clear that burning down police precincts for Fentanyl Floyd kept you safe from Covid.

-Though Trump was certainly one of the architects of Warp Speed, he never mandated it on anyone.

 

[adelaidecrows]

That is exactly right, anyone crossing that border illegally is breaking the law and need to be removed without exception. The law is the law and without a border you don't have a country. Make no mistake that immigration was almost THE number 1 issue of that election. If the vile b@stards that trashed the country for 4 years didn't make it their mission to ignore this and actively flood the country with millions of illegals to shore up their voter base and any crime and deaths just seen as collateral damage, there woukd be no need to spend billions deporting them.

With all due respect, using this rhetoric when you dont even live in that country and also have no skin in the game is kind of pathetic. Vile? like wtf are you talking about.

 

[adelaidecrows]

An example of smelling the winds and making a business decsion accordingly. Trump is not even in the hot seat yet and its already having an effect

Steve Madden announces plan to 'rapidly' move production out of China following Trump election win

Popular shoe retailer Steve Madden announces it will "rapidly" pull back its China-based production by up to 45%, just days after Trump's 2024 election win.

www.foxbusiness.com

If you read it, then youd know the USA is still not in their plans.

 

[adelaidecrows]

-Biden took 89 very intentional executive orders to wind back Trump’s immigration policies.

-Notwithstanding previous immigration issues, the current shitshow is entirely owing to the Biden Administration.

-They did it on purpose. It was not incompetence, it was a malevolent, cynical power grab.

-I agree with your second paragraph. I don’t wave political-party pom poms.



-I was a big critic of him handing over the country to that sewer rat Fauci.

-Hardcore extended lockdowns were almost entirely in blue states. Trump and most red state governers moved on from that scam after it became clear that burning down police precincts for Fentanyl Floyd kept you safe from Covid.

-Though Trump was certainly one of the architects of Warp Speed, he never mandated it on anyone.

Should have been shut sooner.

It was incompetence. Thats all it was. Bad decisions made under covid. They underestimated the amount of people that would travel and with government cutbacks etc around specific departments it created the perfect storm. Biden should have shut the border in 2022 once it became clear what was happening.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I've said countless times while there was a brief window when vaccines were actually preventing transmission in late 2021, vaccine mandates and other restrictions should have been lifted much much faster than they were.

The fact they continued for long after (years in some cases) shows the original decision was not evidence-based.

If it was evidence-based it would’ve stopped as soon as the evidence wasn’t there. That’s axiomatic.

That’s why the trust is gone. Are you getting it yet?

 

[adelaidecrows]

The fact they continued for long after (years in some cases) shows the original decision was not evidence-based.

If it was evidence-based it would’ve stopped as soon as the evidence wasn’t there. That’s axiomatic.

That’s why the trust is gone. Are you getting it yet?

There was literally no evidence used for covid. It was just educated guess work the entire time. Politicians placed doctors front and center and were to scared to be seen to over rule them, and the doctors were worried about their reputations and were super cautious. The only reason the things opened up as fast as it did was because votes were no longer in protecting people from covid.

 

[Crow till I die]

With all due respect, using this rhetoric when you dont even live in that country and also have no skin in the game is kind of pathetic. Vile? like wtf are you talking about.

Not sure how else you could describe the people responsible for the carnage inflicted in its population

 

[Crow till I die]

If you read it, then youd know the USA is still not in their plans.

Lol..it was making pete's point perfectly..targeted tarrifs and maddern smelled the winds and is relocating to other countries they think wont be in the firing line when trump begins. So yeah i read the article champ

 

[adelaidecrows]

Not sure how else you could describe the people responsible for the carnage inflicted in its population

Dude you dont live there. using inflammatory terms to describe situations you have no first hand knowledge of is never going to be taken seriously. Especially when its void of matching context. Vile and carnage could be perfectly used to describe Syrian president who gased his own people.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Lol..it was making pete's point perfectly..targeted tarrifs and maddern smelled the winds and is relocating to other countries they think wont be in the firing line when trump begins. So yeah i read the article champ

Not sure how that makes petes point of protecting USA jobs. Champ!