NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 2

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Lebbo73 said:
You need to stop cooking so hard on the links to Russia. That was shown to be false 7 years ago.
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No it wasn't. The Republican party openly admit that the Russians have been engaged in cyberwarfare and psyops targeting the USA.

Specifically (among other things) the Russians interfered in the US election, by creating fake bot accounts (several of which you've linked on here) that spread deliberate misinformation, designed to interact with social media algorithims to cook vulnerable people (like you) into believing the things... which you now believe (but didnt before you sat down in front of your computer 10 years ago to 'do your own research').

There were also clear links to many Republican party hangers-on-ers, with many of them literally admitting to (and being imprisoned for) colluding with the Russians (or lying about it to the FBI). Some of whom Trump pardoned.

The Mueller report stopped short of recommending Trump be investigated directly, because they believed that Trump was immune from Criminal prosecution (so why bother) due to the fact he's the President of the US and they assumed he has Legal Immunity.

The question of whether he has legal immunity or not, is now about to come before the SCOTUS.

Caught up yet?
 
Malifice said:
No, he doesnt flip flop.

He's repudiated much of what was in the Bill, along with parts of the Clinton crime bill (which was how the Democrats managed to sneak Gun control during Clintons Presidency).

Heck Joe Biden is currently running on a platform to decriminalise Cannabis federally, and expunge all criminal records of people convicted of cannabis charges.

Does that sound like a bloke who (as one of your fellow cookers stated, and what started this whole discussion) 'wants to lock up drug users forever'?

I mean, mate you're talking utter shit. It's self-evident that the Democrats (and Biden) have a very different approach to drug crime to the Republicans. If you're whining about the Dems and their approach to 'tough on crime' surely you can concede that the Republicans are far stricter?

If you cant concede that fact, you're cooked.
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You are cooked. 100% done. You are attempting to rewrite history. All this talk of Biden is moot anyway, no chance he will be the candidate. I will leave you with some quotes, though.

"Every time Richard Nixon, when he was running in 1972, would say, 'Law and order,' the Democratic match or response was, 'Law and order with justice' — whatever that meant. And I would say, 'Lock the SOBs up.'"

"The truth is, every major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the State of Delaware: Joe Biden."
 

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zill said:
You are cooked. 100% done. You are attempting to rewrite history. All this talk of Biden is moot anyway, no chance he will be the candidate. I will leave you with some quotes, though.
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In addition to publicly and openly repudiating the provisions you're banging on about, also literally legislated to revoke the provisions yet you're still trying to tell me... he still supports them?

You're so ****ing partisan you can't concede the above, despite it being objectively true.

Yes, Biden sponsored the Bill that contains tough on drugs (5 years mandatory sentencing for 5 grams of Crack cocaine).

Since then, he has not only repudiated those provisions, he ****ing legislated to remove them, and free a bunch of people imprisoned over them.

I can concede that Biden is senile. I can concede those provisions are shit, target black people disproportionately and that Biden sponsored this Bill. Those things are objective ****ing facts.

Yet you still cant concede the objective ****ing fact that Biden also acknowledges the above (the laws are shit, and disproportionately affect black people) has repudiated those laws, and literally was part of the legislature (as VP) that revoked them.

Stop cheering on a side, and be objective.
 
Malifice said:
In addition to publicly and openly repudiating the provisions you're banging on about, also literally legislated to revoke the provisions yet you're still trying to tell me... he still supports them?

You're so ****ing partisan you can't concede the above, despite it being objectively true.

Yes, Biden sponsored the Bill that contains tough on drugs (5 years mandatory sentencing for 5 grams of Crack cocaine).

Since then, he has not only repudiated those provisions, he ****ing legislated to remove them, and free a bunch of people imprisoned over them.

I can concede that Biden is senile. I can concede those provisions are shit, target black people disproportionately and that Biden sponsored this Bill. Those things are objective ****ing facts.

Yet you still cant concede the objective ****ing fact that Biden also acknowledges the above (the laws are shit, and disproportionately affect black people) has repudiated those laws, and literally was part of the legislature (as VP) that revoked them.

Stop cheering on a side, and be objective.
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"He had criticized Reagan in 1981 for insisting on harsher sentences, arguing that prisons were already overcrowded and calling for alternative sentencing for non-violent offenders."

This is his flip flopping. He is a politician, a professional liar akin to lawyers and used car salesmen.

jacobin.com

Joe Biden, Mass Incarceration Zealot

For years, Joe Biden was determined to make Democrats the tough-on-crime party. The 1994 Crime Bill and its expansion of mass incarceration was his crowning achievement.
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“I know we haven’t always gotten things right, but I’ve always tried.” - Joe Biden

God bless you Joe. You tried your best, and even though it wasn't good enough and you ruined peoples lives and destroyed whole communities, at least you gave it a shot. That's all anyone can ask.
 
zill said:
"He had criticized Reagan in 1981 for insisting on harsher sentences, arguing that prisons were already overcrowded and calling for alternative sentencing for non-violent offenders."

This is his flip flopping. He is a politician, a professional liar akin to lawyers and used car salesmen.

jacobin.com

Joe Biden, Mass Incarceration Zealot

For years, Joe Biden was determined to make Democrats the tough-on-crime party. The 1994 Crime Bill and its expansion of mass incarceration was his crowning achievement.
jacobin.com jacobin.com
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He literally repealled the provisions youre talking about in 2010!
 
zill said:
Biden also took credit for the law: “As a matter of fact, I drafted the bill, if you remember.” - Joe Biden, 2016
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In 2016, the statute stood without provisions repealed prior to 2016. So he was taking credit for the present (2016) form of the statute.
 
Malifice said:
HE REPEALED IT!

****s sake mate.
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As i said, he flip flops. He knows he should keep his mouth shut about how proud he is of his horrendous crime bills, but he just can't help himself.

Another quote from Soft Brain Joe:

"Make sure of two things. Be careful — microphones are always hot, and understand that in Washington, D.C., a gaffe is when you tell the truth. So, be careful."
 

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zill said:
Have you ever watched 2001: A Space Odyssey, Malifice ? You remind me of the computer, HAL-9000. He feels entitled to answers to his questions, and blames everyone but himself for his malfunction. I think I will start calling you MAL-9000.
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No, Im trying to have a dicussion with you.

Im asking you questions for your opinion on the topic we're discussing. Instead you simply ignore them and parrot points I've already agreed with you on multiple times.

Me: What's your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: I agree. Also, maybe you missed it but what is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Ummm... yeah. I agreed with you already. But what is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Yes. I know. You seem to be avoiding the question I'm asking you for some reason. What is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Dude I am literally agreeing with you. Can you please answer my question I've asked half a dozen times now?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Screw it. You're deliberately obfuscating, and I already know the answer anyway. You're just too shit scared to admit it.
You: YOU'RE A COMPUTER FROM 2001 A SPACE ODDESSY. ALSO, BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.

Thats basically a summary of the past 2 pages of this thread.

Try being less of a flog, and actually answer difficult questions. I always answer the ones you put to me. For example, I'm more than prepared to agree with you (multiple times) that Biden is entering senility or dementia, he authored the above Bill, and it was shit.

All I'm asking is that you show me the same courtesy.
 
Malifice said:
No, Im trying to have a dicussion with you.

Im asking you questions for your opinion on the topic we're discussing. Instead you simply ignore them and parrot points I've already agreed with you on multiple times.

Me: What's your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: I agree. Also, maybe you missed it but what is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Ummm... yeah. I agreed with you already. But what is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Yes. I know. You seem to be avoiding the question I'm asking you for some reason. What is your opinion on X?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Dude I am literally agreeing with you. Can you please answer my question I've asked half a dozen times now?
You: BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.
Me: Screw it. You're deliberately obfuscating, and I already know the answer anyway. You're just too shit scared to admit it.
You: YOU'RE A COMPUTER FROM 2001 A SPACE ODDESSY. ALSO, BIDEN AUTHORED THIS BILL AND ITS SHIT.

Thats basically a summary of the past 2 pages of this thread.

Try being less of a flog, and actually answer difficult questions. I always answer the ones you put to me. For example, I'm more than prepared to agree with you (multiple times) that Biden is entering senility or dementia, he authored the above Bill, and it was shit.

All I'm asking is that you show me the same courtesy.
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MAL, you didn't agree at all. You've spent the last 2 pages trying to convince me Biden is a top bloke. He isn't. You have accused me previously of being bipartisan and taking a side, yet it it you who has taken a side and will defend it to the point of absurdity. You have done the same with the laptop. The russian disinfo BS about the laptop is just that, BS. It was spread so no one would question the censorship of a legit story. It worked on you, nobody is perfect but you can move on from that. My advice to you is to treat all politicians with mistrust and contempt, regardless of whether they crack their eggs at the big end or the little end.

Here's a thought for the day, from Uncle Bad Touch himself:

"Make sure of two things. Be careful — microphones are always hot, and understand that in Washington, D.C., a gaffe is when you tell the truth. So, be careful."
 
Malifice said:
No it wasn't. The Republican party openly admit that the Russians have been engaged in cyberwarfare and psyops targeting the USA.

Specifically (among other things) the Russians interfered in the US election, by creating fake bot accounts (several of which you've linked on here) that spread deliberate misinformation, designed to interact with social media algorithims to cook vulnerable people (like you) into believing the things... which you now believe (but didnt before you sat down in front of your computer 10 years ago to 'do your own research').

There were also clear links to many Republican party hangers-on-ers, with many of them literally admitting to (and being imprisoned for) colluding with the Russians (or lying about it to the FBI). Some of whom Trump pardoned.

The Mueller report stopped short of recommending Trump be investigated directly, because they believed that Trump was immune from Criminal prosecution (so why bother) due to the fact he's the President of the US and they assumed he has Legal Immunity.

The question of whether he has legal immunity or not, is now about to come before the SCOTUS.

Caught up yet?
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Whatever helps you sleep at night
 
zill said:
Wrong, he was talking about the 94 crime bill.
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Yeah, years after he'd repealed the parts he regretted.

You're just a bad faith poster, as the continued refusal to answer a straight question for the last couple of pages demonstrates.

Frankly, I shouldn't have expected any better from a WEF Chicken Little.
 
zill said:
MAL, you didn't agree at all. You've spent the last 2 pages trying to convince me Biden is a top bloke.
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I did nothing of the sort. I don't know a damn thing about Bidens character so why on earth would I?

I spent the last two pages asking you if you thought the Bill Biden sponsored (with billions in government spensing in education and rehabilitation programs) would have passed a Republican Senate and Ronald Regan without tough on crime provisions (around mandatory sentencing for drug possession).

A question you literally have yet to answer.
 
zill said:
You are just straight up disingenuous. You make up claims others have made and repeat them ad nauseum.
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Sorry, are you now pretending you never said you think there is evidence of corruption on the laptop, and that it wasn't pursued because both Chris Wray and Bill Barr are corrupt? :tearsofjoy:

Wouldn't put it past you to try honestly, you're that far gone. Very Trumpian, as I said.
 
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Malifice said:
HE REPEALED IT!

****s sake mate.
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Some people live in an alternate reality.

I remember John McCain correcting a republican voter when they started talking about the birth certificate stuff.
Trump does the opposite - he actively encourages CT bullshit because it makes the useful idiots easier to control, and makes him less accountable to what he says and does.
On this thread alone we have wacky stuff getting sprouted as fact - submarine tunnels running all the way to Pine Gap, Biden is a clone, Trump is actually in charge, the J6 rioters were Antifa dressed-up, etc

The fact that so many not just get sucked in, but celebrate their own ignorance, shows we're an amazing period of human history.
 
Malifice said:
I did nothing of the sort. I don't know a damn thing about Bidens character so why on earth would I?

I spent the last two pages asking you if you thought the Bill Biden sponsored (with billions in government spensing in education and rehabilitation programs) would have passed a Republican Senate and Ronald Regan without tough on crime provisions (around mandatory sentencing for drug possession).

A question you literally have yet to answer.
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I've spent the last 2 pages telling you that Biden didn't think the republicans were tough enough on crime. A significantly watered down bill would probably have passed. The republicans wanted a 20:1 ratio between cocaine and crack for the mandatory minimum sentencing. The dems wanted 50:1. Biden came up with 100:1. That doesn't sound like a guy who was overly concerned with rehabilitation and social programs.

I've answered your question multiple times, you just didn't get the answer you wanted.
 
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