NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Yeah, but you waited until Trump won the election to starting melting over it.

Strange timing if it bugs you so much.

Not true. I've made the point about the abject hypocrisy of God botherers numerous times.

Although fewer times than I've thought it, because there are many non-hypocritical religious people for whom I have respect and I'm sure my posts make them uncomfortable, which is not my intention. My intention is to highlight the pathetic hypocrites amongst them.

Trump is good for my bank balance. My bank balance has gone up thanks to him winning.

I don't give a toss about the crap others have hissy fits over.

LOL, but you keep going on and on about the evil Democrats, in your over-the-top impassioned way, pretending that you are morally outraged by them.

But here we see the real you. A hypocrite. You don't give a shit about morally reprehensible politicians, you care only about yourself.

The anti-Dems stuff due to your 'disgust' at their history has always been performative from you - you just don't realise that most of us saw that ages ago.

 

[Bostonian]

LOL, but you keep going on and on about the evil Democrats, in your over-the-top impassioned way, pretending that you are morally outraged by them.

But here we see the real you. A hypocrite. You don't give a shit about morally reprehensible politicians, you care only about yourself.

The anti-Dems stuff due to your 'disgust' at their history has always been performative from you - you just don't realise that most of us saw that ages ago.

Yes, I care about my family and myself. Why would I care about you?

You don't give a toss about morally reprehensible politicians either. Stop pretending.


What an absolute dweeb you sound like... "most of us"... You mean the other clowns who get upset by the internet?

 

[zill]

And there it is. Like the other hypocrites, you are prepared to pretend that you don't believe the allegations against pedo Gaetz. The same allegations that many of his Republican colleagues have stated in public, yet never once has he threatened them with defamation charges. I wonder why.

Your mask has fully slipped.

So your entire argument is that he hasn't filed defamation charges, and you're surprised I'm sceptical?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Yes, I care about my family and myself. Why would I care about you?

You don't give a toss about morally reprehensible politicians either. Stop pretending.


What an absolute dweeb you sound like... "most of us"... You mean the other clowns who get upset by the internet?

No, I can't stand morally reprehensible politicians.

You just pretend because you hate the Democrats and ignore the human garbage that is Trump.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

So your entire argument is that he hasn't filed defamation charges, and you're surprised I'm sceptical?

No, that's not it. Try again (hint: it relates to you pretending he hasn't done anything wrong).

 

[Bostonian]

No, I can't stand morally reprehensible politicians.

You just pretend because you hate the Democrats and ignore the human garbage that is Trump.

But you cheerlead for reprehensible politicians.

You cheerlead for the most reprehensible political organisation that ever existed in the US.

So you're ok with human garbage. You'll over look it, because you're ok with hypocrisy.


I don't pretend anything about Trump. I can say Trump is trash.

But Trump has far more sensible positions on issues that impact me than the corrupt as **** campaigners like Warren and her SEC stooges.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

But you cheerlead for reprehensible politicians.

You cheerlead for the most reprehensible political organisation that ever existed in the US.

So you're ok with human garbage. You'll over look it, because you're ok with hypocrisy.


I don't pretend anything about Trump. I can say Trump is trash.

But Trump has far more sensible positions on issues that impact me than the corrupt as **** campaigners like Warren and her SEC stooges.

Stop lying. I literally posted more than once that I wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris if they were against anyone other than Trump.

Just because you're a shit person doesn't make everyone else the same.

 

[Bostonian]

Stop lying. I literally posted more than once that I wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris if they were against anyone other than Trump.

Just because you're a shit person doesn't make everyone else the same.

You're the liar.

Because by your statement, there for all to see, you'd vote Gaetz over Biden and Harris then.

That right?


It's always the ones who push the "I'm more moral than everyone else" are the ****ed up ones behind the scenes.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

You're the liar.

Because by your statement, there for all to see, you'd vote Gaetz over Biden and Harris then.

That right?


It's always the ones who push the "I'm more moral than everyone else" are the ****ed up ones behind the scenes.

I'm certainly not more moral than everyone else, just the ones who put up with disgraceful behaviour from one side because it's better for them, whilst emotively bleating about "the most reprehensible political organisation that ever existed in the US." Like you care. Hypocrite.

 

[Bostonian]

I'm certainly not more moral than everyone else, just the ones who put up with disgraceful behaviour from one side because it's better for them, whilst emotively bleating about "the most reprehensible political organisation that ever existed in the US." Like you care. Hypocrite.

You didn't answer the question.

You said "I wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris if they were against anyone other than Trump".

So that means you'd vote for Gaetz over them. Correct?

 

[Malifice]

Yeah, but you waited until Trump won the election to starting melting over it.

Dude, no one here is melting. A few of us predicted a Trump win. I know I have been personally (unsure if I have on here though).

My main concern is what happens to the US democracy from here, what happens to global order from here, and how does this all impact Australia.

The last Trump presidency was economically (and diplomatically) awful for Australia. We were wedged in between a Trade war (and a war of words, and military escalation) between our biggest trading partner in China, and our biggest military ally in the USA.

Even if Trump does not impose tariffs against Australian goods and services, it's going to cause problems globally which will impact us.

I also can't see how Trump undermining NATO is a good thing for Australia even though we're not a formal member of the alliance.

There is also the AUKUS deal, our Free Trade agreement with the Seppos, and a lot more at stake here.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

You didn't answer the question.

You said "I wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris if they were against anyone other than Trump".

So that means you'd vote for Gaetz over them. Correct?

You got me in an exaggeration. I looked up the last time I posted it and my words were I'd vote for almost anyone over Trump.

But I'll answer your question anyway. If the choice was between Gaetz and Trump, it would be two equally horrendous outcomes. If I was in the US, I wouldn't vote. Unlike Harris v Trump, where I'd vote Harris for the sole reason to vote against Trump.

In Australia, I'd vote independent like I usually do. ScoMo v Albo was a shit choice, but essentially equally bad. It didn't make a difference who won, and Independents can have a positive impact. Unlike Harris v Trump, who were both bad but not close to equally bad. If it was Gaetz v Trump here, you'd probably see Independents win the majority.

 

[Bostonian]

Dude, no one here is melting. A few of us predicted a Trump win. I know I have been personally (unsure if I have on here though).

My main concern is what happens to the US democracy from here, what happens to global order from here, and how does this all impact Australia.

The last Trump presidency was economically (and diplomatically) awful for Australia. We were wedged in between a Trade war (and a war of words, and military escalation) between our biggest trading partner in China, and our biggest military ally in the USA.

Even if Trump does not impose tariffs against Australian goods and services, it's going to cause problems globally which will impact us.

I also can't see how Trump undermining NATO is a good thing for Australia even though we're not a formal member of the alliance.

There is also the AUKUS deal, our Free Trade agreement with the Seppos, and a lot more at stake here.

They are melts though. This post I'm responding to is not a melt however.

This post has none of the histrionics of the posts leading up to the election.


I mean I do see the irony of people crying about democracy at stake in the US then are happy to be bootlickers to keep the Chinese happy.

 

[Bostonian]

You got me in an exaggeration. I looked up the last time I posted it and my words were I'd vote for almost anyone over Trump.

But I'll answer your question anyway. If the choice was between Gaetz and Trump, it would be two equally horrendous outcomes. If I was in the US, I wouldn't vote. Unlike Harris v Trump, where I'd vote Harris for the sole reason to vote against Trump.

In Australia, I'd vote independent like I usually do. ScoMo v Albo was a shit choice, essentially equally bad. It didn't make a difference who won, and Independents can have a positive impact. Unlike Harris v Trump, who were both bad but not close to equally bad. If it was Gaetz v Trump here, you'd probably see Independents win the majority.

I got you in a lie


You don't have to support the Democrats either. You could have been supporting third parties or independents all along.

I put forth my reason for wanting Trump to win. All to do with a single issue. I don't have to care about all the other nonsense.

I have praised the Democrats who supported my position but as their party is so corrupt there were only a few to praise.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I got you in a lie


You don't have to support the Democrats either. You could have been supporting third parties or independents all along.

I put forth my reason for wanting Trump to win. All to do with a single issue. I don't have to care about all the other nonsense.

I have praised the Democrats who supported my position but as their party is so corrupt there were only a few to praise.

LOL, you got your much sought after 'gotcha'. Even though it wasn't.

My view is that caring about "all the other nonsense" includes having compassion for the millions who will be demonstrably worse off as a result of "all the other nonsense."

But that's just me, obviously.

 

[Bostonian]

LOL, you got your much sought after 'gotcha'. Even though it wasn't.

My view is that caring about "all the other nonsense" includes having compassion for the millions who will be demonstrably worse off as a result of "all the other nonsense."

But that's just me, obviously.

No I was just shocked, morally superior people don't lie!

Shook to my core I was when I read that.

And millions might be better off. That's how partisan politics works.

 

[Malifice]

I mean I do see the irony of people crying about democracy at stake in the US then are happy to be bootlickers to keep the Chinese happy.

The USA is a liberal democracy. We're also a liberal democracy. They're aligned with us economically, socially, linguistically, culturally, legally and historically as members of the Anglosphere, and as our major military ally (and veto buddies at the UN).

If the Seppos go full Weimar republic 1930s and embrace a little fascism, that affects us.

China on the other hand is our major trading partner.







Look at the above numbers closely and you can see why a Trump presidency (where he's talking about a Trade war with China, again) is bad for Australia.

It's why I just cant work out any Australian who thinks a Trump presidency is a good thing for Australia.

Objectively, its likely going to be a terrible thing for Australians.

 

[Bostonian]

If the Seppos go full Weimar republic 1930s and embrace a little fascism, that affects us.

This is the kind of rhetoric that got Trump the win.

You sound like Joy Reid and the View.

People are playing their videos as examples of lunatic Democrats who turned people of all backgrounds right off the Harris campaign.

Look at the above numbers closely and you can see why a Trump presidency (where he's talking about a Trade war with China, again) is bad for Australia.

It's why I just cant work out any Australian who thinks a Trump presidency is a good thing for Australia.

Objectively, its likely going to be a terrible thing for Australians.

Australia should have and always be seeking out a vast amount of different markets that are not China.

It's utterly irresponsible to rely on the trade of one nation so much to keep your economy stable. Especially with their politics.

This can happen regardless of the US or China if we had decent people running the country.

 

[Malifice]

This is the kind of rhetoric that got Trump the win.

Mate, there are plenty of people on both sides of the political compass (Republican and Democrat) that see the parallels to the current state of play in the USA and the downfall of the Weimar republic.

The USA is (at a bare minimum) democratically backsliding, and fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_United_States

Trump was the ringleader in a criminal conspiracy to attempt to seize power by deception (and force) following his last election loss. Most of the other participants have admitted to as much. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

He'll likely never be held criminally liable (thanks to the SCOTUS) but that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Whatever you think of his politics (and it doesnt help that, like Hitler, he is also a nativist, far right, populist outsider) and whether you support his policies or don't, the facts are the facts, and he did the above.

Australia should have and always be seeking out a vast amount of different markets that are not China.

Firstly, why? What has China ever done to Australia? Compared to almost every European nation, the UK, America, Russia and Japan, China has never engaged in any kind of warmongering or similar to what the French, English, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Japanese etc have done.

Why shouldn't we trade with China? What reason do we have to exclude an emerging superpower, with a market of over a billion people?

Secondly, without China, there is no resources boom. With no resources boom, you'd be a lot worse off financially.

Thirdly, the purpose of trading with China was to liberalize their markets and (hopefully) see them flip into a liberal capitalist democracy that values the Rule of Law.

While that dream ended with Tienemen square, they've opened their economy up considerably, and freedoms have increased over there.

Free trade with a nation makes war less likely with that nation, not more.

It's utterly irresponsible to rely on the trade of one nation so much to keep your economy stable. Especially with their politics.

We don't rely on China to keep our economy stable; we rely on China to keep us wealthy.

 

[Malifice]

New research findings released by the Bankwest Curtin Economics Centre (BCEC) commissioned by the Australia China Business Council (ACBC) have quantified the economic impact of trade with China on Australian households.​

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Using advanced economic modelling, the research estimates Australia’s trade with China increased disposable income by a national average of $2,500 per household in the 2021/22 financial year and reached as high as $8,500 in some states and territories. This increase equates to 4.5 per cent of disposable income per capita and $26.7bn billion overall (gross) benefit to household disposable income.​

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The research finds that up to 569,200 jobs in Australia are supported by the country’s economic relationship with China, reducing Australia’s unemployment rate by 0.25 per cent.​

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“This new research continues to demonstrate how substantial the trade relationship with China is for the Australian economy. China is Australia’s largest trading partner, making up around a third of its total exports and a quarter of total imports in 2022.”​

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The BCEC research also found the Australia-China trade relationship put downward pressure on the cost of living for Australians, estimating that Australian households would pay 4.2 per cent more for the same consumption items without China as a major import partner.​

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https://bcec.edu.au/media/china-trade-economic-impact-australian-households/#:~:text=The%20BCEC%20research%20also%20found,be%20launched%20in%20early%202024.​

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Without Trade with China, things would cost 4.2 percent more, and everyone would have 2,500 grand a year less with which to pay for it.

Also remember, that during the last Trump presidency, we got stuck in the middle of the US/ China trade war, and it wound up costing us 20 billion per year:

When we came to Government, trade impediments imposed by China on Australia were costing our exporters over $20 billion per year. Today, our farmers, growers, miners and exporters are benefiting from being able to sell their cotton, copper, coal, timber logs, oaten hay, barley and wine to China again.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/working...ports one in four,growth of our entire region.

I have no desire to see that blow up again.

 

[Stokey]

Hypocrisy is a state of being, it's not a pool to be shared. It's applying different standards, in particular to support a bias.

Do you not agree that of Mike Johnston's stance on the Gaetz investigation is hypocritical?

Do you not think it's hypocritical for the Dems to accept Weinstein as one their biggest donors when it was an open secert what he was doing?

Do you think it was ok for the Dems to not give back money obtained by fraud through SBF?

You might have a point re your stance if the Dems run DOJ didnt dismiss Gaetz's allegations after a lengthy investigation.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Do you not think it's hypocritical for the Dems to accept Weinstein as one their biggest donors when it was an open secert what he was doing?

Yes, it's absolutely hypocritical.

Do you think it was ok for the Dems to not give back money obtained by fraud through SBF?

There's not much precedent for parties giving donation money back, is there? Point me to where it has happened before. I'm certain the Republicans have never returned donations (unless you count when Trump was ordered to provide refunds when he was found to be cheating poor people with the automatic monthly rollover scam)

As a principle, yes they're corrupt if they knew of the fraud when they accepted the money.

You might have a point re your stance if the Dems run DOJ didnt dismiss Gaetz's allegations after a lengthy investigation.

Well, why not let the results of the investigation by his own party be released. Why actively try to block it (prayer boy Mike, and Gaetz himself resigning two days before release)?

If you're trying Democrats gotcha's with me, you're not too bright. I'm more than happy to call them when they're in the wrong.

 

[zill]

Mate, there are plenty of people on both sides of the political compass (Republican and Democrat) that see the parallels to the current state of play in the USA and the downfall of the Weimar republic.

The USA is (at a bare minimum) democratically backsliding, and fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_United_States

Trump was the ringleader in a criminal conspiracy to attempt to seize power by deception (and force) following his last election loss. Most of the other participants have admitted to as much. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

He'll likely never be held criminally liable (thanks to the SCOTUS) but that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Whatever you think of his politics (and it doesnt help that, like Hitler, he is also a nativist, far right, populist outsider) and whether you support his policies or don't, the facts are the facts, and he did the above.



Firstly, why? What has China ever done to Australia? Compared to almost every European nation, the UK, America, Russia and Japan, China has never engaged in any kind of warmongering or similar to what the French, English, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Japanese etc have done.

Why shouldn't we trade with China? What reason do we have to exclude an emerging superpower, with a market of over a billion people?

Secondly, without China, there is no resources boom. With no resources boom, you'd be a lot worse off financially.

Thirdly, the purpose of trading with China was to liberalize their markets and (hopefully) see them flip into a liberal capitalist democracy that values the Rule of Law.

While that dream ended with Tienemen square, they've opened their economy up considerably, and freedoms have increased over there.

Free trade with a nation makes war less likely with that nation, not more.



We don't rely on China to keep our economy stable; we rely on China to keep us wealthy.

For someone who is completely obsessed with a resurgence of fascism, I find it bewildering that you would completely ignore what China has done and is doing, and actually praise them. The parallels between nazi germany and china are striking, but you're prepared to ignore them because it is good for your bank balance. Kind of like how what nazi germany did was glossed over because of how good they were for business.

I guess it's easier just to hate on Trump, all the cool kids are doing it.

 

[Bostonian]

Mate, there are plenty of people on both sides of the political compass (Republican and Democrat) that see the parallels to the current state of play in the USA and the downfall of the Weimar republic.

The USA is (at a bare minimum) democratically backsliding, and fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_United_States

Trump was the ringleader in a criminal conspiracy to attempt to seize power by deception (and force) following his last election loss. Most of the other participants have admitted to as much. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

He'll likely never be held criminally liable (thanks to the SCOTUS) but that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Whatever you think of his politics (and it doesnt help that, like Hitler, he is also a nativist, far right, populist outsider) and whether you support his policies or don't, the facts are the facts, and he did the above.

Stop making me laugh. It really is hilarious that people think the US was in a single bit of danger of their system being over thrown.


It's the most chicken little thing I've ever seen.


The evidence is a few hundred unarmed people broke a few things and then nothing else happened. The end.


And just so you know. Biden increased the tariffs on China and pulled in far more tariff money than Trump did in their respective 4 years in office.

Firstly, why? What has China ever done to Australia? Compared to almost every European nation, the UK, America, Russia and Japan, China has never engaged in any kind of warmongering or similar to what the French, English, Spanish, Germans, Americans, Japanese etc have done.

Why shouldn't we trade with China? What reason do we have to exclude an emerging superpower, with a market of over a billion people?

Secondly, without China, there is no resources boom. With no resources boom, you'd be a lot worse off financially.

Thirdly, the purpose of trading with China was to liberalize their markets and (hopefully) see them flip into a liberal capitalist democracy that values the Rule of Law.

While that dream ended with Tienemen square, they've opened their economy up considerably, and freedoms have increased over there.

Free trade with a nation makes war less likely with that nation, not more.



We don't rely on China to keep our economy stable; we rely on China to keep us wealthy.

No warmongering hey?

So China wasn't involved in Vietnam, Korean, Cambodian, Laos wars?

Helping turn them all into Communist shitholes.

You must be taking the piss there.

These are the same rats that sent threats our way because we dared to improve our military capabilities to defend our shores.

We should limit our trade with China and be less reliant on a nation that has 0 elections and 100% dictatorship.