NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[CM86]

Did he take any questions?

Libs of TikTok have used the same level of hyperbole you've used in the past describing various Trump actions.

This is a more balaced position you should be able to stomach.

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What time did his speech finish, and what time did the Sugar Bowl start?...

That's pretty important information to have, right? If this is the argument.

Do you know?

 

[bourbons]

The London Economic. Blimey

Driving factor was Hispanic vote went against him. The who/what/why is a little blurred because the pollsters got it so insanely wrong, its pretty tough to take them as a source of information.

I think the who/what/why isnt as established as any news article wants to represent. If it was to be established, their polls would have been a lot more accurate then they were

lol

Yes, the London Economic. Sample size of 9025, which as I understand it is far larger than most election polls. If you actually read the thing it also says there were 2 blind polls who's results correlated.

But sure, literally every data point that pushes back on your preferred narrative is not to be trusted is it

No offence mate but your take during covid was there will be masks and checkins everywhere forever, with toddlers forced to vax every 6 months. When I reminded you about it a few years later you squibbed that one too, so I don't think you're all that capable in terms of predictions nor acknowledging when you get things wrong

 

[CM86]

The post was directly in relation to HitTheNailsHead thought pattern being the same as Kevin Sorbo if you read it. It was a absurd take

That isn't true.

Do you genuinely believe that?

You think I posted the Antifa meme, as a statement of HitTheNail's thought patterns?!?

 

[CM86]

His own businesses rely on visas not illegals.

Why do you seemingly know NOTHING about the topics you discuss?!???

Why don't you ever look any of this stuff up???

You dont think deporting voters is a campaign tool? Its a pretty damn large one. If you can guarantee your own re election by deporting voters, the ability of it being hard isnt going to stop you... you will push on and do it because of the immense benefit it holds.

That's a BAD THING, right?? In a democracy?
To deport citizens who vote against you?


You actually think Trump will attempt to do that, and you support him??

 

[bourbons]

I tend to think you believe Trump will do the right thing and not deport Democrat voters, but am perplexed as to why you think that.

As I said, it'll just end up in the "too hard" basket along with the wall.

He doesn't actually want to do it. As we're seeing in real time now, was just something to rile up the rubes. Its served it's purpose (gotten him into office and kept him out of house arrest).

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why do you seemingly know NOTHING about the topics you discuss?!???

Why don't you ever look any of this stuff up???



That's a BAD THING, right?? In a democracy?
To deport citizens who vote against you?


You actually think Trump will attempt to do that, and you support him??

Well you are not providing proof on the subject either. I'll get around to my thought patterns on it later

I couldn't give a crap if he did that . I have much greater concerns on millions of deaths in a war and child slavery then I do on it if someone lives in US or Canada. What does that have to do with net zero and ending the Russian/Ukraine war

I think it matters however in terms of holding onto power post 2028. Pretending it doesn't and won't influence the next election seems blind hope as opposed to acknowledging the truth is all

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

As I said, it'll just end up in the "too hard" basket along with the wall.

He doesn't actually want to do it. As we're seeing in real time now, was just something to rile up the rubes. Its served it's purpose (gotten him into office and kept him out of house arrest).

Too hard to manipulate the voting patterns in the electoral college it isn't also. Very easy to move voters from swing states to Democrat safe states as another part of the plan

I don't think it matters how hard it is. It will be done. The benefits of doing it far outweigh the difficulties in doing it

What makes you think Trump will quit on influencing democracy when this is what it is. It's you suggesting because it's tough to be anti democracy he won't do it. I hate to tell you but you won't get that result. Trump isn't going to gift Democrats votes on the concept of hard

 

[CM86]

Well you are not providing proof on the subject either. I'll get around to my thought patterns on it later

I couldn't give a crap if he did that . Inhllr much greater concerns on millions of deaths in a war and child slavery theb I do on it if someone lives in US or Canads. What does that have to do with net zero and ending the Russian/Ukraine war

I think it matters however in terms of holding onto power post 2028. Pretending it doesn't and won't influence the next election seems blind hope as opposed to acknowledging the truth is all

I know you're being genuine.

I know these are your actual beliefs and thoughts.



I don't want to berate you or insult you, as you're not doing anything deliberate.



Sorry for my more aggressive posts today, to you and Nail. I'll try again later when I'm not trying to resolve other 'in person' issues.

 

[bourbons]

A disagreement as opposed to a rift. The cult of personality will just see MAGA accept the change. A rift would imply Trump disagrees with Elon/Vivek but given he doesnt, I dont think its as big of a issue as you want it to be

Probably not as big an issue in the end as some are hoping no, but characterising it as a mere 'disagreement' is equally disingenuous. The rank and file seem pretty fired up about it

Check some of the comments on that last one in particular, not happy jan

The fact again is that you couldn't even acknowledge this 'disagreement' when first asked about it.

 

[bourbons]

His own businesses rely on visas not illegals. I think we all got to that conclusion this week? It seems to be the way they want to go. Replace illegals with visa holders they have power and control over so they can vote Republican...

You dont think deporting voters is a campaign tool? Its a pretty damn large one. If you can guarantee your own re election by deporting voters, the ability of it being hard isnt going to stop you... you will push on and do it because of the immense benefit it holds.

Once again you are wanting the end result to be different because it suits the argument. The reality is, if you deport illegals and replace with visa holders you control to replace those illegals your position is much stronger. You are just holding onto blind hope that wont happen. The reality is it will. The anti democracy path is why

Wait - you think 2-3% of the Democrat base are undocumented illegals, voting for them in elections?

 

[bourbons]

Not sure anyone here is MAGA.

Oh boy

EasternTiger you wanna take this one?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Wait - you think there are 2-3% undocumented illegals voting for Democrats in elections?

I’d suggest he deports actual citizens too . Citizens who came in the illegal way and then got citizenship will be a target too. He will also deport those who have dual citizenship but commit crimes.

Overall I think that is the swing to create or the target. Remember that target can be reached multiple ways. Deporting them is one aspect only I feel. It’s a core one but not the only one.

I mean question after this I have is. What anti democratic move do you think Trump will make ? We know he will try to manipulate the vote in the next 4 years. How do you think he does this ?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Oh boy

EasternTiger you wanna take this one?

He is passionate about Texas?

I doubt it.

You are mischaracterising what MAGA means. I don’t think he is passionate about making America great as opposed to improving our own situations

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

He is passionate about Texas?

I doubt it.

You are mischaracterising what MAGA means. I don’t think he is passionate about making America great as opposed to improving our own situations

Somebodys new around here. Besides me.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Somebodys new around here. Besides me.

Any proof he is passionate about Texas and US working standards

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So today I learnt Trump is an anti democratic person who won’t do any anti democratic moves during his presidency. A interesting take I must admit

 

[CM86]

I have much greater concerns on millions of deaths in a war. What does that have to do with net zero and ending the Russian/Ukraine war

In terms of Trump 'stopping the war'.


Correct me where I'm wrong.
I believe your position is that Trump will attempt to talk Putin out of the war, but that that will be challenging.
But that the immediate action Trump will take, will be for the US to stop supporting and funding Ukraine?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

In terms of Trump 'stopping the war'.


Correct me where I'm wrong.
I believe your position is that Trump will attempt to talk Putin out of the war, but that that will be challenging.
But that the immediate action Trump will take, will be for the US to stop supporting and funding Ukraine?

They are killing each other so both actions are required to prevent that. Ukraine has killed millions of Russians too

Let’s not pretend one side will win and the other side will lose this war either. Both sides have lost. No agreement made for either side is changing that. A good quote is the below . 24 hour part won’t happen but the rest of it is the bang on attitude towards it

 

[CM86]

They are killing each other so both actions are required to prevent that. Ukraine has killed millions of Russians too

Let’s not pretend one side will win and the other side will lose this war either. Both sides have lost. No agreement made for either side is changing that. A good quote is the below . 24 hour part won’t happen but the rest of it is the bang on attitude towards it

Correct me where I'm wrong.​

I believe your position is that (1) Trump will attempt to talk Putin out of the war, but that that will be challenging.​

But that the (2) immediate action Trump will take, will be for the US to stop supporting and funding Ukraine?​

Sorry, I'm not saying it's either 1 or 2. I'm saying both.


Is your position that Trump will aim to remove US support and funding from Ukraine, as well as engage with Putin to get him to stop?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Correct me where I'm wrong.​

I believe your position is that (1) Trump will attempt to talk Putin out of the war, but that that will be challenging.​

But that the (2) immediate action Trump will take, will be for the US to stop supporting and funding Ukraine?​

Sorry, I'm not saying it's either 1 or 2. I'm saying both.


Is your position that Trump will aim to remove US support and funding from Ukraine, as well as engage with Putin to get him to stop?

Yes, both are required for the same goal. Two people need to agree a peace deal, not one.

This insane belief that the war needs to win in a nice fair way is just stupid. The war needs to end no matter how it’d achieved or what the end result is.

End.the.war

 

[CM86]

Yes, both are required for the same goal. Two people need to agree a peace deal, not one.

This insane belief that the war needs to win in a nice fair way is just stupid. The war needs to end no matter how it’d achieved or what the end result is.

End.the.war

What do you see a peace deal between Zelenskyy and Putin involving?

If Trump isn't able to force them to agree to a peace deal. Do you think he should still stop the US support and funding going to Ukraine?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What do you see a peace deal between Zelenskyy and Putin involving?

If Trump isn't able to force them to agree to a peace deal. Do you think he should still stop the US support and funding going to Ukraine?

He must create a peace deal. The alternative doesn’t exist. The war should end wellll before the concepts of no more funding exists or is created

The deal will be for Russia to keep the land some of the Donbas/Crimea region, Ukraine to get a demilitarised zone and Russia/EU/US to fund the rebuild of Ukraine.

If US defund Ukraine and provide Russia with the ultimatum that they agree to a deal or they throw tariffs at India/China/Iran unless they stop dealing with Russia and actually cripple their economy then both sides will need to end the war. Russia can’t continue the war without those 3 countries support as much as Ukraine can’t without US support too

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Probably not as big an issue in the end as some are hoping no, but characterising it as a mere 'disagreement' is equally disingenuous. The rank and file seem pretty fired up about it

Check some of the comments on that last one in particular, not happy jan

The fact again is that you couldn't even acknowledge this 'disagreement' when first asked about it.

Yes, 4 randoms on Twitter is a sure fire sign of a political crisis. What you need to be searching for is.

Where are the mass protests? Where is the civil disobedience on a large scale which shows a large scale disagreement?

If it hasn’t happened and all you got is a few randoms it probably isn’t a good sign for your argument… the evidence is a bit lacking on that one

 

[Nothing]

He must create a peace deal. The alternative doesn’t exist. The war should end wellll before the concepts of no more funding exists or is created

The deal will be for Russia to keep the land some of the Donbas/Crimea region, Ukraine to get a demilitarised zone and Russia/EU/US to fund the rebuild of Ukraine.

If US defund Ukraine and provide Russia with the ultimatum that they agree to a deal or they throw tariffs at India/China/Iran unless they stop dealing with Russia and actually cripple their economy then both sides will need to end the war. Russia can’t continue the war without those 3 countries support as much as Ukraine can’t without US support too

So the peace deal is give in to Russia's aggression and for Ukraine to cede their territory to a belligerent aggressor.

I hope you don't live next door to bikies.