NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[CM86]

Isnt H1B visa issue just another form of DEI?

The H-1B visa is for specialty occupations, that do not allow migration.
It's for when a business in the US is unable to find specific people for specific and highly trained roles within the US, they are able to 'outsource' them.

DEI is "Diversity, Equity & Inclusion". Better known as affirmative action.
And it's in place to attempt to offset (believed) systemic inequality. (We don't need to agree on inequality, I'm just explaining the difference).
So if it's believed that an Aboriginal man and a non-Aboriginal man are equal, then it would make sense to see, roughly, an equal representation, per population, in any one industry.

As Aboriginal people are under-represented in almost all industries (for a multitude of reasons), businesses are encouraged to try harder to find qualified Aboriginal people for a role, even if they would be the 2nd or 3rd pick out of potential hires.

MAGA Texans

Can you tell me what MAGA Texans are? And how they differ from MAGA in general? Or Trump supporters in general.
I've seen you refer to Texas a lot.

Trump will turn the establishment against the Democrat voters

What is the 'establishment' to you?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The H-1B visa is for specialty occupations, that do not allow migration.
It's for when a business in the US is unable to find specific people for specific and highly trained roles within the US, they are able to 'outsource' them.

DEI is "Diversity, Equity & Inclusion". Better known as affirmative action.
And it's in place to attempt to offset (believed) systemic inequality. (We don't need to agree on inequality, I'm just explaining the difference).
So if it's believed that an Aboriginal man and a non-Aboriginal man are equal, then it would make sense to see, roughly, an equal representation, per population, in any one industry.

As Aboriginal people are under-represented in almost all industries (for a multitude of reasons), businesses are encouraged to try harder to find qualified Aboriginal people for a role, even if they would be the 2nd or 3rd pick out of potential hires.


Can you tell me what MAGA Texans are? And how they differ from MAGA in general? Or Trump supporters in general.
I've seen you refer to Texas a lot.



What is the 'establishment' to you?

This is a weird take. You keep telling us Trump is a threat to democracy, a threat to the way of life and now he is in power you are telling us he wont make any mistakes or do anything bad to use the system for his own benefit. The argument makes no sense

Im a Trump fan but I can admit he is going to weaponise the system for his own gain... so why cant you all?

H1B visas will be exploited like crazy to simply replace the illegals with whoever they want. That is the ultimate plan Elon/Vivek have as business men who perpetuate these ideals.

H1B is about power, DEI is about power. The ideals and actions behind it exist in a mild form but its not the actual full blown intention. DEI is about having Democratic voters in powerful positions. H1B will be about having Republican voters in powerful positions. It might not be liked, but its the truth im afraid.

Establishment = goverment agencies. You also got the billionaire brigade he has in power positions but they are being moulded to be one in the same. Having full blown control over government agencies because you control all aspects of the political landscape isnt anything to be sneezed at

 

[CM86]

This is a weird take. You keep telling us Trump is a threat to democracy, a threat to the way of life and now he is in power you are telling us he wont make any mistakes or do anything bad to use the system for his own benefit. The argument makes no sense

What?

I'm not sure how I've put that across, because it isn't my position, and it wasn't what I was thinking at all when I was explaining H-1B.

Im a Trump fan but I can admit he is going to weaponise the system for his own gain... so why cant you all?

He did in his previous term. He has talked about it for ages. Project 2025 lays out how he will more effectively be able to do it.
Even on BigFooty I've talked about how he will Reimplement Schedule F and how dangerous that is.

H1B visas will be exploited like crazy to simply replace the illegals with whoever they want. That is the ultimate plan Elon/Vivek have as business men who perpetuate these ideals.

H-1B are already being exploited and have been since inception.


I'm not sure how you're trying to connect 'illegal immigrants' with H-1B visas.

H1B is about power, DEI is about power. The ideals and actions behind it exist in a mild form but its not the actual full blown intention. DEI is about having Democratic voters in powerful positions. H1B will be about having Republican voters in powerful positions. It might not be liked, but its the truth im afraid.

I understand what you're trying to say.
But I don't understand how or why you're trying to connect it to DEI and H-1B visas.

Why would Trump need any type of visa etc to put his supporters into powerful positions?
He can already do that to a certain extent.
And with reimplementing Schedule F he will be able to do it 10 fold.
He started doing it at the end of his last term.

H-1B is for private businesses, not Government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sched...le F appointment was,making them easy to fire.

Establishment = goverment agencies. You also got the billionaire brigade he has in power positions but they are being moulded to be one in the same. Having full blown control over government agencies because you control all aspects of the political landscape isnt anything to be sneezed at

So Trump isn't part of the 'Establishment', but soon he is going to BE the 'Establishment'?
Or he's fighting against the 'Establishment'?

 

[CM86]

This is a weird take. You keep telling us Trump is a threat to democracy

He attempted to foment an insurrection and prevent the peaceful transition of power.

I shouldn't have to tell anyone that Trump is a threat to democracy. Everyone knows he is, it's just that some people want an Autocrat, so they pretend that he isn't.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What?

I'm not sure how I've put that across, because it isn't my position, and it wasn't what I was thinking at all when I was explaining H-1B.


He did in his previous term. He has talked about it for ages. Project 2025 lays out how he will more effectively be able to do it.
Even on BigFooty I've talked about how he will Reimplement Schedule F and how dangerous that is.



H-1B are already being exploited and have been since inception.


I'm not sure how you're trying to connect 'illegal immigrants' with H-1B visas.


I understand what you're trying to say.
But I don't understand how or why you're trying to connect it to DEI and H-1B visas.

Why would Trump need any type of visa etc to put his supporters into powerful positions?
He can already do that to a certain extent.
And with reimplementing Schedule F he will be able to do it 10 fold.
He started doing it at the end of his last term.

H-1B is for private businesses, not Government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schedule_F_appointment#:~:text=A Schedule F appointment was,making them easy to fire.


So Trump isn't part of the 'Establishment', but soon he is going to BE the 'Establishment'?
Or he's fighting against the 'Establishment'?

The argument is he needs illegal migrants to prop up the work force. He doesn’t. He will replace them . This isn’t a barrier to stop him booting the illegals out as H1B visas fixes that

DEI and H1B are hiring policies. DEI is not a government only position. It’s private business primarily so the link is very strong. Within government agencies DEI is irrelevant. He can sack and hire whoever he wants. That will just be Republican voters, not Democrat ones. It’s two paths towards a similar goal

Of course he is part of the establishment. Who isn’t? You think Kamala Harris and Biden weren’t but Trump is? I don’t think so. US politics isn’t that nice and fluffy

Project 2025 is a bit silly. He has 4 years to work, not 1. Idea he will complete everything in 1 year isn’t reality. He ideally needs 8 years really which is when JD Vance comes in. In the end, the leftist agenda is in big big big trouble. Their seeks to be a bit of denial about that

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

He attempted to foment an insurrection and prevent the peaceful transition of power.

I shouldn't have to tell anyone that Trump is a threat to democracy. Everyone knows he is, it's just that some people want an Autocrat, so they pretend that he isn't.

Yet he won’t export Democrat voters to influence the next election cos “it’s too hard”.

He can’t be an autocrat when you win and a nice honest guy when you lose.

It’s just wishful thinking I’m afraid.

 

[CM86]

Yet he won’t export Democrat voters to influence the next election cos “it’s too hard”.

Wishful thinking I’m afraid.

He doesn't have to...

Why would he go to that insane length, if all he needs to do is what he attempted to do with Chesebro and Eastman, which is to put in fake electors to call it for Trump in certain Electoral Colleges.

 

[EasternTiger]

Some lefties/democrat types believe they weren’t woke enough to win this election.

They might be considering doubling down whenever Trump decides there will be another election.

I for one believe they should run with AOC as she fits the ‘woke enough’ requirement perfectly.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

He doesn't have to...

Why would he go to that insane length, if all he needs to do is what he attempted to do with Chesebro and Eastman, which is to put in fake electors to call it for Trump in certain Electoral Colleges.

Because you can and have the power to do it. I can’t see why he would leave it to chance for

Is he insane or not ? Gotta pick a lane that way. I think it isn’t that insane so don’t think it is that, but you are saying an insane man won’t do insane things as per your own definitions. It doesn’t make sense

Why would he follow the first attempt that failed ? The entire argument over the last 4 years is that Democrats won by importing voters from overseas…. If that’s his complaint then that will be his plan. He said Democrats succeeded in rigging the election with illegal voter’s yeah? He will follow the winning path in that case. Exporting Democrats will be that plan. He will do the secondary part of importing voters too. Democrats lost because they only did one of those things. Trump realises the winning goal is to do both. He will do both. It will be a big issue

 

[CM86]

The argument is he needs illegal migrants to prop up the work force. He doesn’t. He will replace them . This isn’t a barrier to stop him booting the illegals out as H1B visas fixes that

DEI and H1B are hiring policies. DEI is not a government only position. It’s private business primarily so the link is very strong. Within government agencies DEI is irrelevant. He can sack and hire whoever he wants. That will just be Republican voters, not Democrat ones. It’s two paths towards a similar goal

What?

Why would anyone go through the insane amount of time of processing that many H-1B visas, in order to fill the undocumented workforce???

He just doesn't need to boot them out.
'Illegal immigrants' can't vote. So there is no point removing them from the USA, to prevent them from voting against him.


DEI and H-1B have nothing to do with each other. As I explained previously.
I still don't understand how you took me explaining H-1B, to be me saying he isn't a threat to democracy.

Of course he is part of the establishment. Who isn’t? You think Kamala Harris and Biden weren’t but Trump is? I don’t think so. US politics isn’t that nice and fluffy

Well you said "Trump will turn the establishment against the Democrat voters".

Project 2025 is a bit silly. He has 4 years to work, not 1. Idea he will complete everything in 1 year isn’t reality. He ideally needs 8 years really which is when JD Vance comes in. In the end, the leftist agenda is in big big big trouble. Their seeks to be a bit of denial about that

Honestly, you drive me up the wall sometimes.
I wish you'd just spend a bit of time reading about some of this stuff, before making statements.

Project 2025 isn't a single year issue.
It's just the year it will be initiated.
It's to reform the US into a Christian Nationalist Autocracy.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What?

Why would anyone go through the insane amount of time of processing that many H-1B visas, in order to fill the undocumented workforce???

He just doesn't need to boot them out.
'Illegal immigrants' can't vote. So there is no point removing them from the USA, to prevent them from voting against him.


DEI and H-1B have nothing to do with each other. As I explained previously.
I still don't understand how you took me explaining H-1B, to be me saying he isn't a threat to democracy.



Well you said "Trump will turn the establishment against the Democrat voters".


Honestly, you drive me up the wall sometimes.
I wish you'd just spend a bit of time reading about some of this stuff, before making statements.

Project 2025 isn't a single year issue.
It's just the year it will be initiated.
It's to reform the US into a Christian Nationalist Autocracy.

Processing visas is not what will happen. He will pile them in on planes. He won’t follow the process. He will exploit it illegally wth no one to stop him

You are misunderstanding my point. You SHOULD be saying H1B visas are a threat to democracy….cos it is

The establishment is changing to be what he wants it to be

Project 2025 is clear in believing this will be a quick change. It won’t be. Whether it happens or not I’m not too sure
Elon/Vivek/Trump will do what they want when they want. Some flimsy plan won’t be followed

 

[CM86]

Because you can and have the power to do it. I can’t see why he would leave it to chance for

It's not leaving it to chance...

He can and does have the power to just remove elections.
Or shoot anyone who registers as a democrat.
Doesn't mean that it's a likely outcome.
Especially if you compare it to what he has actually attempted and nearly succeeded in doing before.
And that the only things that stopped him last time, will no longer exist under his new Presidency.

Is he insane or not ? Gotta pick a lane that way.

No, he isn't insane.

I think it isn’t that insane so don’t think it is that, but you are saying an insane man won’t do insane things as per your own definitions. It doesn’t make sense

I've no idea what you're talking about here.

I haven't even given you a definition.

You're not reading what I post. You're skimming and making completely incorrect assumptions.
And it doesn't matter how many times I explain or correct it, you just repeat it.

The entire argument over the last 4 years is that Democrats won by importing voters from overseas….

Which isn't true.

Why would he follow the first attempt that failed ? The entire argument over the last 4 years is that Democrats won by importing voters from overseas…. If that’s his complaint then that will be his plan. He said Democrats succeeded in rigging the election with illegal voter’s yeah? He will follow the winning path in that case. Exporting Democrats will be that plan. He will do the secondary part of importing voters too. Democrats lost because they only did one of those things. Trump realises the winning goal is to do both. He will do both. It will be a big issue

 

[CM86]

Processing visas is not what will happen. He will pile them in on planes. He won’t follow the process. He will exploit it illegally wth no one to stop him

You are misunderstanding my point. You SHOULD be saying H1B visas are a threat to democracy….cos it is

Wait, stop... wtf are you saying?


You're pointing out that H-1B visa don't need to be involved at all with anything he might do.

So why do you keep trying to connect them?

Project 2025 is clear in believing this will be a quick change.

No it isn't...
It's not a single year project.
It's the starting date..

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Wait, stop... wtf are you saying?


You're pointing out that H-1B visa don't need to be involved at all with anything he might do.

So why do you keep trying to connect them?


No it isn't...
It's not a single year project.
It's the starting date..

It’s changing the process to match what you want it to be. H1B is the label of it, not what he will actually do. He will exploit something that exists as opppsed to passing laws for some thing new

 

[zill]

Some lefties/democrat types believe they weren’t woke enough to win this election.

They might be considering doubling down whenever Trump decides there will be another election.

I for one believe they should run with AOC as she fits the ‘woke enough’ requirement perfectly.

I think you should edit this post, Trump might decide there won't be another election. Add a simple if/when qualifier to remind the lefties that the sky could very well fall after 4 years.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think you should edit this post, Trump might decide there won't be another election. Add a simple if/when qualifier to remind the lefties that the sky could very well fall after 4 years.

Dude he won’t even change a visa policy according to CM… he ain’t changing the entire democratic process

 

[CM86]

It’s changing the process to match what you want it to be. H1B is the label of it, not what he will actually do. He will exploit something that exists as opppsed to passing laws for some thing new

Dude he won’t even change a visa policy according to CM… he ain’t changing the entire democratic process

OK.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

OK.

I get where you are coming from mate. It’s an area of hope in something better occurring but it just won’t . He is in a very special position, one that Albanese could only dream of. Trump has no opposition. He can do what he wants, when he want, how he wants.

What he wants will be his agenda and how will probably be illegal, undemocratic and against the leftist policies that exist. Arguing aspects like hard when he has an open chequebook and complete control is illogical, arguing he will follow the written law when he has never done that once in his life is illogical. You need to reach out of these viewpoints

The argument isn’t what he can do, it’s what he wants to do. He can do what he wants, the can doesn’t matter anymore.

Next question is, does this upset or disturb me. Not really. I’m okay for him to completely rig the system to pass through what his stated policies are. To me the what matters more then the how he gets there so thats my position

 

[EasternTiger]

I think you should edit this post, Trump might decide there won't be another election. Add a simple if/when qualifier to remind the lefties that the sky could very well fall after 4 years.

Yep might go back and edit in case I get done for spreading misinformation.

Dictator Don - Day One ain’t allowing anymore elections.

I didn’t want to completely demolish the dreams of lefties who actually think 2028 will be an AOC victory.

I did it from a place of love and kindness for the plight of the woke cultists.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Looks like the cap for H1-B in 2017 was 65,000 and had to be allocated by lottery.

H1-B numbers in 2023 were 755,020.

What Trump’s H-1B visa executive order actually does

It’s a warning shot to employers.

www.vox.com

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/percentage-americans-unable-cover-400-133058811.html

 

[bourbons]

GoEagles decimating the woke cultists.

This is a joy to watch.

How long before they wheel out The Cooler aka Shallow Mal aka The NAZI Hunter aka WikiMal?

GoEagles be wary.

Congrats GoEaglesGoSGIO.

You've joined the group of posters Easty thirsts after for arguing stuff he likes with a coherence and grasp of basic english he can only dream of. As you'd imagine its a pretty select club

Easty while you're at it please advise your newest standard bearer as to the level of fervor regarding your current MAGA enthusiasm, he's a bit confused about it.

 

[bourbons]

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Ah. You're a stolen election enthusiast.

Well done on presenting a fairly rational facade up to this point

 

[bourbons]

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The Donald handling things just immaculately as usual.

He really doesn't want that conviction to stand does he

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Ah. You're a stolen election enthusiast.

Well done on presenting a fairly rational facade up to this point

It's just a meme dude. It can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

 

[bourbons]

Yes but that was the intention and aim.

Trump was 100% honest in that situation. We all knew Vivek/Musk were taking roles in his presidency. They got up on stage and spoke about it.

Did you see Soros on stage at a Harris rally telling us what his plans were? Nope. Why do you believe Musk is open to speaking his goals but Soros didnt get on stage to do the same? Does that pose a problem at all?

In the end, well yes it did pose a problem. Its why Trump won and Harris didnt. Harris didnt have the trust of the electorate. Hiding billionaires in the corner who dont explain their intentions and then to give them medals without explanation thereafter is simply going to cause division. The type of division that leaves us in 3 weeks time, a party that has absolutely zero leaders, none.

lolz

As we've just covered and you've now wisely backed away from, no, Harris' loss was mainly due to post covid inflation and economic issues.

Like the vast majority of other incumbent losses worldwide since covid.