NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

How long before Musk & Trump have a major rift?

  • Under one month

  • Under six months

  • Under one year

  • Under two years

  • Before the term ends

  • Not happening, never!

  • Not until Musk is ready to seize the Presidency

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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Anyone care to answer this btw

Right - "Under Biden their was 150,000+ more deaths in wars in the last year of his presidency vs Trump in 2019, do you think thats a issue

145000 of those in the Ukraine/Russia war with most weaponry supplied by Biden
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Yes, its an issue. Caused by Putin.

Letting Russia just roll over Ukraine and erase their national identity was an option I guess, not a great one though. Certainly the Ukrainians didn't want to go that way and asked for help.
 
CM86 said:
I'm almost more interested in why MAGA are ok with Trump keeping them classified.
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Oh! I know this one!

bourbons said:
They don't actually have any core beliefs or principles. Just clap like trained seals at whatever Donnie is churning out regardless of the intent or action.
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bourbons said:
Oh! I know this one!
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If you asked them "Is kicking a puppy a bad thing?", they would need to know who did it, before being able to give their answer.

They might ask for more context, that's fair.
"They were upset the puppy was being too loud and waking their baby, so they kicked it".
They still can't just give an answer, until they know WHO did it.
Because that's how they work out if something is 'good' or 'bad'.
 
bourbons said:
Yes, its an issue. Caused by Putin.

Letting Russia just roll over Ukraine and erase their national identity was an option I guess, not a great one though. Certainly the Ukrainians didn't want to go that way and asked for help.
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Caused by Putin, but could've been prevented (or nipped in the bud) by Biden:

www.19fortyfive.com

Blame Joe Biden If Ukraine Loses the War to Russia

Three years into the Russia-Ukraine war, Biden’s policies are under scrutiny for missed diplomatic opportunities and strategic missteps that may have weakened Kyiv’s position.
www.19fortyfive.com www.19fortyfive.com
 
Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment

President Trump has signed an executive order attempting to end birthright citizenship in the U.S. — a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and affirmed by the Supreme Court more than 125 years ago.​
​
Why it matters: Trump is acting on a once-fringe belief that U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants have no right to U.S. citizenship and are part of a conspiracy (rooted in racism) to replace white Americans.​
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The big picture: A coalition of civil rights and civil liberties groups filed a lawsuit on Monday night in an effort to halt the executive order.​
 
You can see why Trump is so against the Fourteenth Amendment


Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 

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Werewolf said:
Caused by Putin, but could've been prevented (or nipped in the bud) by Biden:

www.19fortyfive.com

Blame Joe Biden If Ukraine Loses the War to Russia

Three years into the Russia-Ukraine war, Biden’s policies are under scrutiny for missed diplomatic opportunities and strategic missteps that may have weakened Kyiv’s position.
www.19fortyfive.com www.19fortyfive.com
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Joe may not have understood the situation over there clearly.

Kamala explained it thus: “So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So basically that’s wrong”

With those 2 rocket scientists at the helm I’m not surprised the place is in a mess.
 
Werewolf said:
Caused by Putin, but could've been prevented (or nipped in the bud) by Biden:

www.19fortyfive.com

Blame Joe Biden If Ukraine Loses the War to Russia

Three years into the Russia-Ukraine war, Biden’s policies are under scrutiny for missed diplomatic opportunities and strategic missteps that may have weakened Kyiv’s position.
www.19fortyfive.com www.19fortyfive.com
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Doubt it.

First, the war should never have happened. Biden was given a golden opportunity to prevent war in the autumn of 2021. Almost a year into the war, then-NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg admitted that almost six months before the outbreak of war, Putin privately sent a proposed treaty to NATO that would have declared neutrality for Ukraine by vowing not to expand NATO further.
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Most charitable interpretation here is Putin trying to interfere with a sovereign nation's autonomy (NATO membership had majority support in Ukraine). Least charitable is he's saying don't do this thing that will make it impossible for me to invade, or else I'll invade. And I don't think he deserves much charity lol.

Regarding hypothetical NATO membership for Ukraine, it is vital for every American to understand the truth: Ukraine was never going to be invited by the Alliance. They were the most corrupt country in Europe at the time. They had an active civil war that had been simmering for eight years, with no resolution in site. There was considerable enmity between Ukraine and Russia that would keep relations unstable and volatile for the foreseeable future.
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This would seem to confirm Russia's supposed main rationale for invasion as a complete furphy, a convenient casus belli to do what they were always going to do at some stage anyway. They'd already gotten started with Crimea.

And as for the "golden opportunities" for peace through diplomacy in the early days of the war;

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide

Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the...
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
www.telegraph.co.uk

Vladimir Putin told Emmanuel Macron he would rather ‘play ice hockey’ than hold peace talks

Russian leader made the dismissive comments during a tense phone call with the French president just four days before invasion of Ukraine
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

Call me crazy but Vlad "traditional Russian lands" Putin has never seemed all that enthusiastic about anything over than carving himself another slice of Ukraine, preferably all of it. All America has done is respond to Ukraine's request for help ¯\(ツ)/¯

You can argue Ukraine could have played it smarter, but pretty easy from the cheap seats. Its their country under threat not ours.
 
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EasternTiger said:
Oil prices fell while he was up there. Basically told the oil nations lower your prices or find out.
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Covid actually dropped Oil prices around the world due to less usage,
Driving and Plane travel spring to mind.
Actually Trump urged for the price to go up as his rich oil pal's lost money.
 
CM86 said:
You can see why Trump is so against the Fourteenth Amendment


Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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How do you carry out an Insurrection against yourself?
 
bourbons said:
Yes, its an issue. Caused by Putin.

Letting Russia just roll over Ukraine and erase their national identity was an option I guess, not a great one though. Certainly the Ukrainians didn't want to go that way and asked for help.
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It's always the Russians fault for everything..

Id say the guy who refused to negotiate a peace deal and supplied weapons based on that probably deserves a bit of the blame
 

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