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Maybe, I should explain…
Monash are in Prem C and do not think they are ready for Prem B. What exactly are they playing for in 2022? They clearly they don’t want to be promoted.
HedgeFund
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Most of us are thinking Monash should be ready to go to up Premier B in another 12 months (ie. if they have another strong season in C in 2022). That wasn’t so hard to contemplate was it?
Maybe, I should explain…
Monash are in Prem C and do not think they are ready for Prem B. What exactly are they playing for in 2022? They clearly they don’t want to be promoted.
What utter nonsense. This isn't the AFL. Monash haven't had to rebuild through the draft. Are you telling me they sat down and worked out given the age demographic of the list their window in B Grade is 2023-2025??
Ready in 12 months time.....give me a break!!
HedgeFund
Norm Smith Medallist
I think you are clearly in the minority on this issue.
Your dismissive attitude betrays complete ignorance of how football clubs work.
Player retention for a University based club is difficult at the best of times, let alone after 2 years of COVID.
The people best positioned to determine their competitiveness in Premier B will have considered a variety of factors, not the least of which would be:
1. the likelihood of them keeping their list intact, particularly if some of their players are country raised and likely to return to regional Victoria having completed a degree
2. the potential to recruit for a return to Premier B where they finished last in 2019 with a percentage of 65
3. The necessity of online learning becoming the norm and campus based student attendance (a big source of recruitment) reduced to nil in the past 2 years.
I’m pretty sure you aren’t part of that group with detailed knowledge of where Monash sits. So frankly, your view carries zero weight and I repeat my meme post above from one of Adam Sandler’s less impressive flicks.
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So 11 games after finishing bottom and being relegated you're saying they must now be promoted?
This whole concept of choosing where you would like to play is flawed. Should be retired forever. You play in the grade you’re in, unless you’re promoted/demoted in accord with the rules. At the moment that’s 2 up and 2 down at the end of the completed season. Sometimes you may be too strong for the grade and sometimes too weak - to be corrected at the end of that season via promotion/relegation.
Simple. Doesn’t rely on anyone’s opinion on how ready you are.
So if you know everything at Monash , what is the real reason ?
You are on your own here. You have zero idea about clubs. I’m guessing a supporter, but never been involved at committee level.
They know what they are doing.
Inept ? …. Sounds like you have very little idea of actual facts
Facts are that Parkdale are in B and should stay there , otherwise piss off to Southern , or fold !
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That's a very immature viewpoint.
Just sick of the whole situation . Every club has their ups and downs and Parkdale needs to work harder . Just wait till you have a bye and it's either side of say Easter or Queens Birthday and then there's the ridiculous double bye in July , then have 3 weeks off
or you cop the bye either side of a COVID-enforced week off ...
HedgeFund
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Consider this:
In 2022 Parkdale plays in C and there are byes every week in B and C.
Premier B ends up being a 16 game / 2 bye system where everyone plays each other twice. Not a massive deal IMHO.
Premier C is also 16 / 2 but you only play 6 teams twice. That’s probably the biggest issue.
Alternatively Parkdale return to B, get absolutely belted every week and either collapse as a club or limp off to Southern.
It’s either one club that’s going to suffer significant the pain or several who endure far less / minor inconveniences for the sake of having a competitive competition.
We have missed a season and a half , players do not want to miss anymore thanks to them , the blame is solely with them and others should not suffer . Ron Blaskett can get stuffed as well
AnimalEnclosure
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I have sympathy for Parkdale. I don't think they are inept at all. Seems like a pretty well run club. Am led to believe they were cruelled by losing half of their senior players to a QLD club during the 2020 non-season. Another season of smashings in Prem B would set them back years, possibly threaten their existence.
Problem is that the 11-9 set-up in C and B sections would be diabolical. It is farcical that clubs would have to deal with 6 byes (Easter, QB, mid-season break and 2 byes) and shave a a money-raising home game from their season. Carved out of 16 rounds in B-section is ridiculous. Particularly given the interruptions of the past two seasons.
I hear Hedge's view about Monash and respect it, but believe a team simply has to come up from C-section. As it stands, Monash seems best placed and probably would be most competitive. Not being ready to be in finals contention seems a thin argument - if the VAFA had managed to get in a few more games in 2021 and Monash had made a grand final would they turn around and decline promotion because they were worried about being competitive? Dozens of clubs have had to deal with that over the years. And if Monash are largely drawing upon Uni students, does a battling year in B really make that much difference in the long run?
Regardless I would hope there is one club in C that is prepared to have a crack at the next level and help solve this VAFA hot mess across the two grades.
Problem is that the 11-9 set-up in C and B sections would be diabolical. It is farcical that clubs would have to deal with 6 byes (Easter, QB, mid-season break and 2 byes) and shave a a money-raising home game from their season. Carved out of 16 rounds in B-section is ridiculous. Particularly given the interruptions of the past two seasons.
I hear Hedge's view about Monash and respect it, but believe a team simply has to come up from C-section. As it stands, Monash seems best placed and probably would be most competitive. Not being ready to be in finals contention seems a thin argument - if the VAFA had managed to get in a few more games in 2021 and Monash had made a grand final would they turn around and decline promotion because they were worried about being competitive? Dozens of clubs have had to deal with that over the years. And if Monash are largely drawing upon Uni students, does a battling year in B really make that much difference in the long run?
Regardless I would hope there is one club in C that is prepared to have a crack at the next level and help solve this VAFA hot mess across the two grades.
Perhaps the VAFA exec should take the bit between their teeth and decide, as they are the ‘Big Bananas’ who run the show.
Instead of letting the ‘dog wag the tail’, the hierarchy should show some leadership and lead the way.
In B Section, the lower two teams are: -
O Carey
Parkdale
Premier C, the higher teams are: -
Monash
O Geelong
HQ could arrange games between two lower teams from 2021 Premier B against two higher teams from Premier C.
Staged at grounds, yet to be determined, lengths of stanzas and times of commencement should be discussed, such as 4 x 20 minute quarters, or perhaps 2 x 40s with ten on the bench or similar.
Four games over two weeks (two of which could be on the same day on the same ground) should determine which teams are entitled to play in the higher section. Nostradamus won’t need to be consulted. Games could be played over two weekends, three weeks prior to season’s start. (in lieu of some practice matches)
This arrangement could also be extended to the lower divisions to avoid angst due to the Covid interruption.
Should a team not wish to participate, kick them out of the competition.
Just thinking.
Instead of letting the ‘dog wag the tail’, the hierarchy should show some leadership and lead the way.
In B Section, the lower two teams are: -
O Carey
Parkdale
Premier C, the higher teams are: -
Monash
O Geelong
HQ could arrange games between two lower teams from 2021 Premier B against two higher teams from Premier C.
Staged at grounds, yet to be determined, lengths of stanzas and times of commencement should be discussed, such as 4 x 20 minute quarters, or perhaps 2 x 40s with ten on the bench or similar.
Four games over two weeks (two of which could be on the same day on the same ground) should determine which teams are entitled to play in the higher section. Nostradamus won’t need to be consulted. Games could be played over two weekends, three weeks prior to season’s start. (in lieu of some practice matches)
This arrangement could also be extended to the lower divisions to avoid angst due to the Covid interruption.
Should a team not wish to participate, kick them out of the competition.
Just thinking.
Very well put . The fact is that they were the dominant team and you would think they were nearly certainties to make the GF
AnimalEnclosure
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Like the concept, and as you say it would overtake praccy matches. Suspect it might be open to tanking though.
Perhaps some sort of incentive - Winning team gets to keep the canteen/bar proceeds?
Hated going to Parkdale, shit club, but at least they have the balls to admit we cannot compete in B and need to be relegated. Some lower clubs in C could take a leaf out of their book but it seems every club in C wants the status quo to remain. Monash want an easy premiership before going up and UHS and Preston happy to get belted every week and delay the inevitable drop one more year.
HedgeFund
Norm Smith Medallist
The idea that a team would suddenly be more motivated to not tank a scratch match designed to determine which grade they play for a whole season based on netting a few hundred dollars worth of canteen/bar takings is quite……interesting….
AnimalEnclosure
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True. The flaw in the proposal would be that it would be open to tanking.
Bigger question is why would a team that lost only one game and finished on top of the ladder not want to play at a higher level.
Bigger question is why would a team that lost only one game and finished on top of the ladder not want to play at a higher level.
My association with ammo football spans 35 years. From senior player, committee member, volunteer to now, where I find myself in a position where my business can give back and sponsors 3 VAFA clubs. So the "supporter" term you throw around flippantly, I wear with pride mate.
The only test as to whether a club is ready for promotion is where they finished on the ladder the previous season.
Whether you are a business or a local footy club, two traits you need for success is ambition and the courage to step outside your comfort zone.
Hedgefund's post is just dribble and excuses.
I believe 22 clubs asked to be promoted while 3 asked to be relegated. Were 22 'ready?' I doubt it, but that didn't stop them.
Ok..so after a difficult last year, talk to me about Monash’s list and retention. How are they looking going into 2022?
Yep 22 clubs asked to be promoted? Fair effort in Maths Mou? In 6 divisions an average of 4 asked to go up? Could my learned friends please comment?
