VAFA General Discussion

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[WithThePeanuts]

why is that peanut

Because your suggestion would send all local leagues bankrupt or all local clubs bankrupt. Plus it would just cause chaos.
Imagine no registration system so players could just play anywhere they liked. No clearances needed, no way to force players to honour contracts (not that VAFA clubs would care about that)
No accountability of tribunal systems. No affiliation discount on insurances.
No pathway programs for umpires.
And most importantly, no funding from the national sporting body, the AFL.
The list goes on. Hence my suggestion that you’re either incredibly stupid or incredibly uninformed.

 

[zeroseven]

They have a policy - 2 up 2 down. So be it.
They have a policy no catch up games. So be it.
They have a policy - don't tell anyone anything. So be it.

 

[bedford]

Because your suggestion would send all local leagues bankrupt or all local clubs bankrupt. Plus it would just cause chaos.
Imagine no registration system so players could just play anywhere they liked. No clearances needed, no way to force players to honour contracts (not that VAFA clubs would care about that)
No accountability of tribunal systems. No affiliation discount on insurances.
No pathway programs for umpires.
And most importantly, no funding from the national sporting body, the AFL.
The list goes on. Hence my suggestion that you’re either incredibly stupid or incredibly uninformed.

Apologies Peanut it's just frustration with the control of the AFL over everything.

 

[Seemyhat]

One up one down, or possibly no forced change are the only logical options. It is too tough with such an affected draw to send two down IMO. You look at a couple of grades where as many as 5-6 could still be relegated and missing games against the top couple would be a huge advantage and form an unrealistic and unfair relegation/promotion system. Whilst we may win one game back with a shortened finals series It will still be an uneven draw.
One option might be to take enforced relegation/promotion off the table and ask the bottom two clubs only for submissions if they feel they need to be relegated and make case by case decisions. Eg if in B Parkdale stay, however they choose to be relegated, and make a justified case for this then the top side in C that wishes to be promoted is duly promoted.On the other hand Old Mentonians finish second bottom in C because they play the top four twice and miss games against fellow relegation candidates so decline the option of relegation and stay.
A third option would be a second top v second bottom or top v bottom EPL like playoff but I'm not sure how they would find time for this considering cricket season

Making submissions and judging on case by case seems the best outcome this year comprised fixture. As I understand it the VAFA rules have an overriding say in which sections teams are allocated although we are accustomed to two up, two down.

Is Parkdale confirmed as leaving?

 

[Archangel17]

Making submissions and judging on case by case seems the best outcome this year comprised fixture. As I understand it the VAFA rules have an overriding say in which sections teams are allocated although we are accustomed to two up, two down.

Is Parkdale confirmed as leaving?

I have no idea. There seems to be plenty of conjecture every year and their struggles on the field this year seems to have amplified these. I don't know if they are actively considering SFNL however

 

[GerryG]

One up one down, or possibly no forced change are the only logical options. It is too tough with such an affected draw to send two down IMO. You look at a couple of grades where as many as 5-6 could still be relegated and missing games against the top couple would be a huge advantage and form an unrealistic and unfair relegation/promotion system. Whilst we may win one game back with a shortened finals series It will still be an uneven draw.
One option might be to take enforced relegation/promotion off the table and ask the bottom two clubs only for submissions if they feel they need to be relegated and make case by case decisions. Eg if in B Parkdale stay, however they choose to be relegated, and make a justified case for this then the top side in C that wishes to be promoted is duly promoted.On the other hand Old Mentonians finish second bottom in C because they play the top four twice and miss games against fellow relegation candidates so decline the option of relegation and stay.
A third option would be a second top v second bottom or top v bottom EPL like playoff but I'm not sure how they would find time for this considering cricket season

Pretty Sure Parkdale tried this at start of 2021 , but no Prem C side would agree to go up to B

 

[Archangel17]

Pretty Sure Parkdale tried this at start of 2021 , but no Prem C side would agree to go up to B

Think that my be different this time around however

 

[bedford]

I believe a meeting of the board going on today

 

[Gia77]

I believe a meeting of the board going on today

Let's see if they can justify their pay packets and get something done to ensure as many games are played as possible

 

[FootyLegend1984]

Big Percentage Difference between 4th and 5th


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[vafaeye]

At least the VAFA passed a rule for 2021 that they would return a set percentage of affiliation fees for every round lost. This is set in stone. This at least helps cover the loss of home games functions/raffles/bar/kiosk etc for all clubs at all levels. It would be hypocritical for them to attempt to change that percentage even if the bean counters couldn't do a budget and stuffed their projections up. Not even Scott Morrison could get away with spinning that.

As for putting the games back a week or shorter finals series or no relegation/promotion we shall leave it to them. They have rules to fall back on and the watchful eye and others wait in expectation for the next instalment of

"VAFA FAWLTY POWERS!"

THE EYE
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[amofootyfan]

I am perplexed. We just took 2 weeks off with no footy whilst no lockdowns in Vic. We then try to come back and play and Covid restrictions now prevent us from playing.
Why pray tell did we not play games when we had no covid and no restrictions?
I am at a loss

 

[Max Leader]

Big change for Senior finals. All semi finals will be played at the higher ranked team.

Makes sense.

Women’s home and away season has finished. Finals will commence when we open up again.

3rds and 19’s still be decided.

Ni change to player eligibility.

Still discussing promotion/relegation.

IMO 2 up and 2 down should still say.

 

[eth-dog]

Big change for Senior finals. All semi finals will be played at the higher ranked team.

Makes sense.

Women’s home and away season has finished. Finals will commence when we open up again.

3rds and 19’s still be decided.

Ni change to player eligibility.

Still discussing promotion/relegation.

IMO 2 up and 2 down should still say.

3rds simply have to be extended. Just play the last two rounds when we get back and the GF will be week 1 or 2 of D1-4 finals.

 

[Archangel17]

Big change for Senior finals. All semi finals will be played at the higher ranked team.

Makes sense.

Women’s home and away season has finished. Finals will commence when we open up again.

3rds and 19’s still be decided.

Ni change to player eligibility.

Still discussing promotion/relegation.

IMO 2 up and 2 down should still say.

I think you have your OI blinkers on there Max. Whilst an argument for 2 up can be made on the basis of a finals series, I cannot see 2 down being justified with uneven fixtures. A system that sees potentially the wrong team relegated on the basis of an uneven draw is neither fair nor logical. Time will tell what they decide. Remember if we had played a half season last year, there was to be no promotion or relegation so a precedence exists

 

[Mr Gold]

I think you have your OI blinkers on there Max. Whilst an argument for 2 up can be made on the basis of a finals series, I cannot see 2 down being justified with uneven fixtures. A system that sees potentially the wrong team relegated on the basis of an uneven draw is neither fair nor logical. Time will tell what they decide. Remember if we had played a half season last year, there was to be no promotion or relegation so a precedence exists

Mr Angel, I understand your points but the facts remain that we have already played more than half a season and will end up at around 14 games. That is more than a reasonable sample size to determine relegation IMO.

 

[Jascave]

Big change for Senior finals. All semi finals will be played at the higher ranked team.

Makes sense.

Women’s home and away season has finished. Finals will commence when we open up again.

3rds and 19’s still be decided.

Ni change to player eligibility.

Still discussing promotion/relegation.

IMO 2 up and 2 down should still say.

When the Vic Government lifts restrictions next week (hopefully), don't expect crowds to come back to VAFA footy for a while yet, after what happened at the MCG with the Carlton-Geelong game. My guess is that there will be no spectators and club functions (ie luncheons) for at least 2 weeks, then a gradual easing of attendance up until September.

 

[Max Leader]

I think you have your OI blinkers on there Max. Whilst an argument for 2 up can be made on the basis of a finals series, I cannot see 2 down being justified with uneven fixtures. A system that sees potentially the wrong team relegated on the basis of an uneven draw is neither fair nor logical. Time will tell what they decide. Remember if we had played a half season last year, there was to be no promotion or relegation so a precedence exists

My blinkers aren't anywhere near on.

We are probably the most disadvantaged team. We have missed playing Preston twice (no offence to Preston, but at 0 wins, I'm was assuming we would win both).

We have to plays 4 of the top 5 and Old Mentone in the next 5 weeks. We make it we deserve every right to have a chance to go up.

If Parkdale and say Old Carey, Fitzroy or st Bedes are bottom two, they go down. There is enough of a sample for this to work its self out.

PS

I dont think many teams in C were given the option to go up as suggested with Parkdale requesting a drop. We would have jumped st it. iMO

 

[Mr Gold]

My blinkers aren't anywhere near on.

We are probably the most disadvantaged team. We have missed playing Preston twice (no offence to Preston, but at 0 wins, I'm was assuming we would win both).

We have to plays 4 of the top 5 and Old Mentone in the next 5 weeks. We make it we deserve every right to have a chance to go up.

If Parkdale and say Old Carey, Fitzroy or st Bedes are bottom two, they go down. There is enough of a sample for this to work its self out.

PS

I dont think many teams in C were given the option to go up as suggested with Parkdale requesting a drop. We would have jumped st it. iMO

Of course you would have Mr Leader, any responsible club with ambition would, why wouldn’t you? Any free pass should be gleefully accepted, I’m stunned that a club could reject that.

 

[CARLTON2011]

Of course you would have Mr Leader, any responsible club with ambition would, why wouldn’t you? Any free pass should be gleefully accepted, I’m stunned that a club could reject that.

Don't think you are correct. Pretty sure Clubs wanted to go up on merit e.g earning promotion rather than gifted it. No point going up to come straight back down if your not ready. Besides VAFA was never going to let a Club decided it's own grading.

 

[workhorse]

When the Vic Government lifts restrictions next week (hopefully), don't expect crowds to come back to VAFA footy for a while yet, after what happened at the MCG with the Carlton-Geelong game. My guess is that there will be no spectators and club functions (ie luncheons) for at least 2 weeks, then a gradual easing of attendance up until September.

Interesting Jase. My prediction (optimistic I think):
- Vic Gov eases restrictions next Tuesday for things such as retail and hospitality, outdoor gatherings, no 5km etc. No local sport but perhaps training allowed in groups - or clubs will hold informal trainings inline with the outdoor gathering limits.
- No games next Saturday
- Vic Gov eases restrictions further the following Tuesday (3rd August) allowing full training and competition but with no spectators, similar to the first week of competition post-lockdown in June.
- Games return Saturday 7th August with no crowds
- Crowds are allowed back Saturday 14th August

Despite case numbers steady in the teens/twenties, the trend of infectious while in the community is on the way to 0. Hopefully we string a couple of these days together before Tuesday, and then another week of little to no infectious cases in the community and we should be okay.

 

[Max Leader]

Don't think you are correct. Pretty sure Clubs wanted to go up on merit e.g earning promotion rather than gifted it. No point going up to come straight back down if your not ready. Besides VAFA was never going to let a Club decided it's own grading.

That wasn’t the yearlong on the table. If Parkdale had come down we would have taken the opportunity.

Based on Preseason form where we beat OC by approx 6-7 goals and beat Ajax by a similar margin. We may have gone ok.

Losing our ruckman to the AFL has put us somewhat behind as he destroyed these teams in the practice matches.

we will never know.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Don't think you are correct. Pretty sure Clubs wanted to go up on merit e.g earning promotion rather than gifted it. No point going up to come straight back down if your not ready. Besides VAFA was never going to let a Club decided it's own grading.

They actually were. Right or wrong, had one of Old Geelong, Ormond or Monash accepted the invitation to come up to B grade then Parkdale would have been playing C grade in 2021. A dangerous precedent but that's how it would have played out.

In respect to Parkdale's future in the VAFA - my understanding is that they were fully committed to joining the SFNL in 2022 but have since gone a bit cold on the idea. There are elements within the club who want to depart but there seems to be growing sentiment that C grade ammos is the best way forward. I’m also hearing that a few local SFNL clubs intend to block the move if an application is made so either way it is far from a done deal.

 

[Over The Post]

<OTP again raises Parkside winning the WRFL div2 flag, refusing to go up to div1, then successfully demanding to go back to div3 to "rebuild" as all their stars were allegedly going to jump ship>

<quietly exits stage left>

 

[CARLTON2011]

That wasn’t the yearlong on the table. If Parkdale had come down we would have taken the opportunity.

Based on Preseason form where we beat OC by approx 6-7 goals and beat Ajax by a similar margin. We may have gone ok.

Losing our ruckman to the AFL has put us somewhat behind as he destroyed these teams in the practice matches.

we will never know.

Max, I know scores weren't kept that day but not that bigger win, l was goal ump for most of that game. Plenty not playing that day as l am sure some missing your end.