VAFA General Discussion

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[JimmyR20]

I doubt they’ll limit teams Mr Chump, the VAFA make a heap from their subs and they need the big clubs to support the minnows in the lower grades, we need those small clubs.

Rather than limit the number of teams the vafa could charge a higher rate of subs for every team over X amount. That money in turn could be earmarked to support teams/subsidise subs in lower grades.

 

[sainter01]

It is and always been a great competition and have made so many friends because of it , the same that you have made enemies . Just needs to accept that its now like the EPL

Jeez Bedford , I thought yourself and Mr Platinum were on friendly terms

 

[beebee gun]

You have no idea who I am, and again, another negative post! Keep guessing Mr Negative, do you have a sad life?

BTW Mr Einstein, the last time I looked the EPL pays players a fortune, unless I’m missing something we have an amateur competition, shouldn’t you be calling the EDFL etc like the EPL?

Mate you post on here at 4.30am I'd suggest it is you rather than the Bedford that has a sad life!

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Why restrict the teams who are run well to try and push up the weak...Communism doesnt work.. Encourage those weaker teams to be better.. The Majority of those that play 3rds, clubbies or 3rd grade u19s do it to remain a strong connection with their mates they grew up with, these kids will have no interest in changing clubs and will simply give up the sport.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Why restrict the teams who are run well to try and push up the weak...Communism doesnt work.. Encourage those weaker teams to be better.. The Majority of those that play 3rds, clubbies or 3rd grade u19s do it to remain a strong connection with their mates they grew up with, these kids will have no interest in changing clubs and will simply give up the sport.

It's a little more than 'well run' v 'weak', but I think I understand your point.

It is also my experience that at Ivanhoe we have/had many, many players from the 'well run clubs' play with us and not give the game away.

Finally, IMHO, the current system does NOT support ALL clubs in the VAFA. As such, change is required or change will happen - mergers, moving competitions or clubs will fold.

So IF the VAFA is to truly want to support ALL clubs then a plan other than the current format should be explored.

Then again, maybe a 4 or 5 division senior mens comp that is well resourced, financially stable and still allows for those who have capacity to have several teams is a better way forward for the VAFA? If you want a plant to be healthy, you prune it right?

Chump

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

It's a little more than 'well run' v 'weak', but I think I understand your point.

It is also my experience that at Ivanhoe we have/had many, many players from the 'well run clubs' play with us and not give the game away.

Finally, IMHO, the current system does NOT support ALL clubs in the VAFA. As such, change is required or change will happen - mergers, moving competitions or clubs will fold.

So IF the VAFA is to truly want to support ALL clubs then a plan other than the current format should be explored.

Then again, maybe a 4 or 5 division senior mens comp that is well resourced, financially stable and still allows for those who have capacity to have several teams is a better way forward for the VAFA? If you want a plant to be healthy, you prune it right?

Chump

Clubs have been born and folded throughout all levels of footy since it began over 100 years ago, this is just cyclical that cleanses out those that are unsustainable due to variety of factors. Many clubs established when demographics of a certain area are completely different to now may well not be able to be sustained. Its not the leagues responsibility to ensure these clubs survive, if they can not stand on their own 2 feet they will go through the natural cycle that many before them have been through and many more after will. Its up to the clubs to establish a culture where players, sponsors, volunteers and fans want to be part of, not the league.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Clubs have been born and folded throughout all levels of footy since it began over 100 years ago, this is just cyclical that cleanses out those that are unsustainable due to variety of factors. Many clubs established when demographics of a certain area are completely different to now may well not be able to be sustained. Its not the leagues responsibility to ensure these clubs survive, if they can not stand on their own 2 feet they will go through the natural cycle that many before them have been through and many more after will. Its up to the clubs to establish a culture where players, sponsors, volunteers and fans want to be part of, not the league.

So this is the part where we agree to politely disagree, but I have never been a huge advocate for survival of the fittest rationale.

I'd suggest that the VAFA has 'some' responsibility when it has allowed teams to have several x 19's, under 23's, thirds, etc that are NOW creating the greatest imbalance in the VAFA's history. I do however, completely agree it is ALSO the responsibility of clubs to do their part as you have suggested.

I think the interesting phase of all of this could still be in front of us ......

What if we have an increased number of clubs that look to moving competitions in professional leagues as part of the reaction to no action on number of teams within the VAFA and the historical 'trickle down' effect is drying up. As such, clubs feel the only way they can survive is by moving comps where they can pay players to boost numbers ............then start poaching more and more from the VAFA?

As an example ........ Banyule have done a great job since moving to the NFNL and full credit to them. The down side of this for the VAFA though is that Marcellin, Old Ivanhoe and Ivanhoe (just to name a few) have lost players due to that move happening. If we start to see 'more'of that could it present even more challenges for the VAFA?

It might be better to keep the 'weak' in your tribe rather than allow them to grow strong in another?

Chump

 

[Mr Platinum]

Mate you post on here at 4.30am I'd suggest it is you rather than the Bedford that has a sad life!

If I’m posting here at 4.30am I’m probably overseas, you know there is a world outside of Australia, right?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

So this is the part where we agree to politely disagree, but I have never been a huge advocate for survival of the fittest rationale.

I'd suggest that the VAFA has 'some' responsibility when it has allowed teams to have several x 19's, under 23's, thirds, etc that are NOW creating the greatest imbalance in the VAFA's history. I do however, completely agree it is ALSO the responsibility of clubs to do their part as you have suggested.

I think the interesting phase of all of this could still be in front of us ......

What if we have an increased number of clubs that look to moving competitions in professional leagues as part of the reaction to no action on number of teams within the VAFA and the historical 'trickle down' effect is drying up. As such, clubs feel the only way they can survive is by moving comps where they can pay players to boost numbers ............then start poaching more and more from the VAFA?

As an example ........ Banyule have done a great job since moving to the NFNL and full credit to them. The down side of this for the VAFA though is that Marcellin, Old Ivanhoe and Ivanhoe (just to name a few) have lost players due to that move happening. If we start to see 'more'of that could it present even more challenges for the VAFA?

It might be better to keep the 'weak' in your tribe rather than allow them to grow strong in another?

Chump

The Banyule example is interesting, and perhaps they were simply a club not suited to amateur footy, they are surrounded by clubs in the NFL who pay insane money and with no school allegiance were always fighting an uphill battle to compete. If you look at a side like St Bernards and PEGS they can only compete against the money from EDFL because of the school connections. There will be clubs leave but can also see clubs like Port Colts and St Kilda City from the Southern League who only really survive due to some shady characters tipping in hundreds of thousands of dollars each year and jobs offered on the docks, eventually this will run out and the demographics of these areas suggest they are far more suited to amateur footy than suburban.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Why restrict the teams who are run well to try and push up the weak...Communism doesnt work.. Encourage those weaker teams to be better.. The Majority of those that play 3rds, clubbies or 3rd grade u19s do it to remain a strong connection with their mates they grew up with, these kids will have no interest in changing clubs and will simply give up the sport.

100%

 

[Mr Platinum]

So this is the part where we agree to politely disagree, but I have never been a huge advocate for survival of the fittest rationale.

I'd suggest that the VAFA has 'some' responsibility when it has allowed teams to have several x 19's, under 23's, thirds, etc that are NOW creating the greatest imbalance in the VAFA's history. I do however, completely agree it is ALSO the responsibility of clubs to do their part as you have suggested.

I think the interesting phase of all of this could still be in front of us ......

What if we have an increased number of clubs that look to moving competitions in professional leagues as part of the reaction to no action on number of teams within the VAFA and the historical 'trickle down' effect is drying up. As such, clubs feel the only way they can survive is by moving comps where they can pay players to boost numbers ............then start poaching more and more from the VAFA?

As an example ........ Banyule have done a great job since moving to the NFNL and full credit to them. The down side of this for the VAFA though is that Marcellin, Old Ivanhoe and Ivanhoe (just to name a few) have lost players due to that move happening. If we start to see 'more'of that could it present even more challenges for the VAFA?

It might be better to keep the 'weak' in your tribe rather than allow them to grow strong in another?

Chump

Mr Chump, there will always be clubs that come and go, that’s life. Uni Blues are currently threatening to go to the VFL, hopefully they do!

Here’s a history lesson of previous VAFA clubs that no long exist in the VAFA.

Albanvale	1989-92
Alphington	1934-83
AMP Society	1963-81	Changed name to Balaclava in 1982.
ANZ Bank	1950-1969	(1970 amalgamated with Albert Park. Changed name from ANZ Bank to ANZ Albert Park 1996 then Albert Park in 1999)
Army Apprentices	1966-70
Assumption College O C	1964-82	Were part of Combined Country Colleges in 1978-81
Australian Postal Institute	1965
Balaclava	1982-90	Club formed from AMP Society changed name to Glenhuntly 1991 – 1998 before they amalgamated with St Kilda South Caulfield, St Kilda CBCOB to form Glen Eira in 1999
Balwyn	1946-55
Balwyn Combined	1993-96
Banyule	1979 – 2014	(Junior Section only 1979 moved up to Senior Section in 1980) – left VAFA for Northern FL at end 2014
Bellfield	1950-65
Bentleigh	2000-2010
Bentleigh Districts	1929-37
Beverley	1898-1915
Beverley Hills	1972-81
Black Rock	1922, 1927-30
Bloods	1987-98	(G Section only in 1987, merged with Old Brighton to become Old Brighton Bloods in 1996, name changed to Old Brighton in 1998)
Boronia Park	1990-94
Boroondara	1897, 1903-04	Merged with Hawthorn Football Club (played in MJFA 1902-1913) in 1905. Took Boroondara colours of black jumper with red sash but adopted the Hawthorn name.
Brighton	1892-1907
Brighton	1952-58	(changed name from St Andrew’s)
Brighton TSOB	1930-40
Brightonvale	1926-39	Changed name to Brighton
Brunswick	1926-94, 1999-2003	(changed name to Brunswick Power)
Bulleen United	1975-95	(merged with Canterbury North Balwyn to become Bulleen Cobras, 1996)
Burwood	1928-36
Camberwell	1992-95
Canterbury North Balwyn	1993-95	(merged with Bulleen United to become Bulleen Cobras, 1996)
Canterbury United Churches	1931-32
Carlton Districts	1909-15
Carnegie	1935-38
Carnegie Church of Christ	1946
Cassie	1964-65
Caulfield	1884-1915, 1924-25, 1952-53	Caulfield combined with Malvern 1915
Celtic	1900-02
Chirnside Park	1990-1999
Clayton	1979-89	merged with Waverley VF, 1989
Coburg	1935-87
Collingwood Districts	1906-15
Commercial Bank	1959-66
Commonwealth Bank	1947-94	merged with State Bank on merger with the respective banks. New club State Commonwealth Bank formed 1991. Commonwealth Bank changed ane to Southbank 1994
Coolaroo Rovers	1980
Combined Country Colleges	1978-81	Combination of St Pat’s Ballarat, Monivee and Assumption OC
Dandenong KSP	1930-32
Dookie-Longerenong	1970-74
Doveton SJOC	1981-95	(Commenced at St John’s OC then changed name to Doveton-St Johns OC 1990 then to Doveton)
Dragons	2013 – 2014	Joined VAFA in 2013 form Southern FL. Left VAFA at end of 2014 to return to SFL.
East Caulfield	1947-51
East Malvern	1929-64
Edlington	1892	Foundation club
Elwood	1922-23
ES & A Bank	1932-35, 1952-69
ES & A Bank-National Bank	1936-37	(Withdrew due to amalagamation with ANZ Bank)
Fairfield	1936-73
Fawkner	1973-95
Fitzroy Districts	1904-05
Fitzroy Juniors	1912-15
Fitzroy Reds	1998-2008	Changed name from University Reds 1955-1964, 1973-98 and shed links with Melbourne University, now playing as part of Fitzroy Football Club.
Flinders Naval Base	1927-28
Footscray Districts	1892	Foundation club
Footscray TSOB	1932-90	Changed name to FIT in 1989
Gardenvale-Middle Brighton	1926
Gardiner	1932	(Changed name to Malvern 1933)
Geelong Amatuers	1926-40, 1947-82
Glenhuntly	1926-73
Glenhuntly	1991-1998	Changed name from Balaclava 1991- merged with St Kilda South Caulfield, St Kilda CBCOB 1999 to become Glen Eira
Glenroy	1974-77	Changed name to Therry CCOB 1977
GTV 9	1986
Hampton	1923-27
Hawthorn	1954-57
Hawthorn	1902-13	The current AFL powerhouse Hawthorn Football Club commenced in the VAFA (then the MJFA) before moving to the VFA in 1914. They joined the VFL from the VFA in 1925. Club merged with Boroondara (late Waterloo) in 1905 and adopted Boroondara’s colours of a black guernsey with red sash but retained the name of Hawthorn. In 1906 Hawthorn merged with successful junior club the Hawthorn Rovers to form the Hawthorn City Football Club as a result of Glenferrie Oval opening
Heatherton	1975-89
Heidelberg West	1939-40
Huntingdale	1956
Insurance Companies’ Social Clubs	1954-58
Kew Districts	1926
Kingsville	1927-35
Kontias	1989-91
Kooyong	1963-65
La Trobe University Reds	1971
Leopold	1898-1915
Malvern	1896, 1933-64	Changed name from Gardiner in 1933. Later changed name to Tooronga-Malvern 1964-72
Melbourne Shipping Companies	1922
Melbourne Swimming Club	1920-23
Monash Whites	1964-65, 1971-2001	Changed name to Monash Blues to become their Club 18 team in 2001.
Moreland	1949-51
Mt Carmel OC	1936-40
Mt Lilydale	1997-2018
Murrumbeena	1923-62
Myer	1937-54
National Bank	1932-38, 1954-79
Naval Base Flinders	1927-28
Newlands Coburg	1994-1996
North Alphington	1948-52
Northern Blues	2009 – 2010	Entered as an Under 18 club only, changed name to Northern Blues in 2011, with the club becoming a senior club in 2013.
Nunawading	1894-1896
Oakleigh	1908-11, 1927-28
Oakleigh – Clayton	2003-2006	Oakleigh Merged with Clayton (SFL)to form an u19 side only. Seniors remain the same.
Old Haileybury-Old Trinity	1928-35
Old Scotch Collegians	1894-1895
Olinda	1893
Parkdale	1934-54
Parkville	1899
Pascoe Vale	1927-28, 1940
Patricians	1965-69
Pharmacy College	1962-65
Point Cook	2010-17	Left VAFA to WRFL in a bid to join senior & junior club
Port Colts	1987-89
Port Melbourne	1956-59
Port Rovers	1903-08
Postal Institute	1965
***Prahran	1999-2010	(Formerley known as Southbank, also refer Commonwealth Bank). In 2011, club merged with Assumption Old Collegians to become Prahran Assumption.
Prahran – Caulfield	2007 –	Joined through amalgamation with Caulfield (SFL) to form Under 19 side
Preston	1954-69
Preston Marist Brothers Old Boys	1983-93
Princes Hill	1979-81
RAAF Cadets	1964-65
Reservoir Old Boys	1965-77
Rupertswood	2000-2012	Left the VAFA for the RDFL at end of 2012
Salesian O C	1989-2007	Amalgamated with St Mary’s, start of 2008
Sandringham Districts	1926-27
Scotch Collegians	1894-95
South Camberwell	1937-40
South Caulfield	1926-40
South Melbourne City	1954-59
South Melbourne Juniors	1900
South Mornington	2006-2019	(Under-19 only 2006, seniors and reserves 2007)
South St Kilda	1892-1899
South Yarra	1897-1921
Southbank	1994-98	Formerly known as Commonwealth Bank, changed name to Prahran for 1999.
St Andrew’s – Coburg	1986-1995
St Colomb’s	1953
St Francis Xavier’s	1899
St Francis Xavier OC	2007-2019
St Ignatius’s	1900-02, 1932-34
St Jude’s	1892-1893
St Kilda CBC Old Boys	1958-1991	St Kilda CBC merged with Murrumbeena and South Caulfield from the (YCWFL) in 1992 to become St Kilda South Caulfield (1992-98). Before they amalgamated with Glen Huntly in 1998 to become Glen Eira in 1999.
St Leonard’s	1986-89
St Mary’s	1990-2007	Amalgamated with Salesian, start of 2008
St Mary’s	1892-1898	Foundation club.
St Patrick’s (Ballarat) OC	1939-40, 1951-55, 1964-75
St Patricks Mentone	1991-2000	changed name to Mentone Amateurs in 2000
St Paul’s (Ascot Vale)	1926-40
St Peter’s Clayton	1991-92	Changed name of Oakleigh in 1992
St Pius’s	1979-1982
St Andrew’s (Brighton)	1949-51
St Kilda South Caulfield	1992-98	Merged with Glenhuntly in 1999 to become Glen Eira
St Patrick’s Monivae	1976
State Commonwealth Bank	1991-1994	Formed from merger of State Bank and Commonwealth Bank, 1991, changed name to Southbank 1994
State Electricity Commission	1947
State Savings Bank	1927-90
Surrey Hills	1928-32
Teachers College	1920-57
Thomastown	1975-2000	Moved to the DVFL now the Northern Football League
Thornbury	1973-83	(Junior club only 1975 – 1979, moved into senior section 1980)
Thornbury Cougars	1996-1999	Ceased
Toorak Grosvenor	1892-1894
Tooronga-Malvern	1964-72	(Changed name from Malvern)
Waltham	1895-1897
Waverley Amateurs	1989-90	(Clayton and Waverley VFA merged to form Waverley Amateurs (1989)
Werribee Districts	1998 – 2013	Joined as a junior club. (Werribee Amateurs until 2011), Left VAFA from Premier B at end of 2013 to transfer to Western Region FL.
West Hawthorn	1927-33
Windsor	1894-1898
Wyndham Suns	2014	Broke to form new club out of Old Westbourne Grammarians, but only formed a U19s for 2014. Left for Western Regiorn FL at end of 2014
YMCA	1892-1893

 

[Deleted member 20240623]

It's a little more than 'well run' v 'weak', but I think I understand your point.

It is also my experience that at Ivanhoe we have/had many, many players from the 'well run clubs' play with us and not give the game away.

Finally, IMHO, the current system does NOT support ALL clubs in the VAFA. As such, change is required or change will happen - mergers, moving competitions or clubs will fold.

So IF the VAFA is to truly want to support ALL clubs then a plan other than the current format should be explored.

Then again, maybe a 4 or 5 division senior mens comp that is well resourced, financially stable and still allows for those who have capacity to have several teams is a better way forward for the VAFA? If you want a plant to be healthy, you prune it right?

Chump

Glenorchy (Tassie) cant field teams as training 3 nights per week too much for some lads who want to train maybe 1 night (pie night) and get paid well!

Will I get that at the Hoes this year Chumpy?

 

[In the Thirds]

Not sure that there’s been any transformation: I understand that the Newport Power Juniors have disassociated themselves from the senior teams due to a disagreement about the seniors’ on-field player behaviour.

A new senior Newport Football Club now plays in the WRFL in Altona North, has no juniors and targets specific footballers from local clubs.

Newport Power Juniors and Newport Football Club have no affiliation whatsoever.

That’s true, but if Im a betting man, pretty sure a percentage of these juniors flow to seniors

I think the real reason for split was that juniors were worried that seniors were going to kicked out of comp

Rember the senior only back in the comp in 2014?

The previous Newport teams ,had folded disbanded years previously. Can’t remember if they were kicked out of the league

 

[zeroseven]

Mr Chump, there will always be clubs that come and go, that’s life. Uni Blues are currently threatening to go to the VFL, hopefully they do!

Here’s a history lesson of previous VAFA clubs that no long exist in the VAFA.

Albanvale	1989-92
Alphington	1934-83
AMP Society	1963-81	Changed name to Balaclava in 1982.
ANZ Bank	1950-1969	(1970 amalgamated with Albert Park. Changed name from ANZ Bank to ANZ Albert Park 1996 then Albert Park in 1999)
Army Apprentices	1966-70
Assumption College O C	1964-82	Were part of Combined Country Colleges in 1978-81
Australian Postal Institute	1965
Balaclava	1982-90	Club formed from AMP Society changed name to Glenhuntly 1991 – 1998 before they amalgamated with St Kilda South Caulfield, St Kilda CBCOB to form Glen Eira in 1999
Balwyn	1946-55
Balwyn Combined	1993-96
Banyule	1979 – 2014	(Junior Section only 1979 moved up to Senior Section in 1980) – left VAFA for Northern FL at end 2014
Bellfield	1950-65
Bentleigh	2000-2010
Bentleigh Districts	1929-37
Beverley	1898-1915
Beverley Hills	1972-81
Black Rock	1922, 1927-30
Bloods	1987-98	(G Section only in 1987, merged with Old Brighton to become Old Brighton Bloods in 1996, name changed to Old Brighton in 1998)
Boronia Park	1990-94
Boroondara	1897, 1903-04	Merged with Hawthorn Football Club (played in MJFA 1902-1913) in 1905. Took Boroondara colours of black jumper with red sash but adopted the Hawthorn name.
Brighton	1892-1907
Brighton	1952-58	(changed name from St Andrew’s)
Brighton TSOB	1930-40
Brightonvale	1926-39	Changed name to Brighton
Brunswick	1926-94, 1999-2003	(changed name to Brunswick Power)
Bulleen United	1975-95	(merged with Canterbury North Balwyn to become Bulleen Cobras, 1996)
Burwood	1928-36
Camberwell	1992-95
Canterbury North Balwyn	1993-95	(merged with Bulleen United to become Bulleen Cobras, 1996)
Canterbury United Churches	1931-32
Carlton Districts	1909-15
Carnegie	1935-38
Carnegie Church of Christ	1946
Cassie	1964-65
Caulfield	1884-1915, 1924-25, 1952-53	Caulfield combined with Malvern 1915
Celtic	1900-02
Chirnside Park	1990-1999
Clayton	1979-89	merged with Waverley VF, 1989
Coburg	1935-87
Collingwood Districts	1906-15
Commercial Bank	1959-66
Commonwealth Bank	1947-94	merged with State Bank on merger with the respective banks. New club State Commonwealth Bank formed 1991. Commonwealth Bank changed ane to Southbank 1994
Coolaroo Rovers	1980
Combined Country Colleges	1978-81	Combination of St Pat’s Ballarat, Monivee and Assumption OC
Dandenong KSP	1930-32
Dookie-Longerenong	1970-74
Doveton SJOC	1981-95	(Commenced at St John’s OC then changed name to Doveton-St Johns OC 1990 then to Doveton)
Dragons	2013 – 2014	Joined VAFA in 2013 form Southern FL. Left VAFA at end of 2014 to return to SFL.
East Caulfield	1947-51
East Malvern	1929-64
Edlington	1892	Foundation club
Elwood	1922-23
ES & A Bank	1932-35, 1952-69
ES & A Bank-National Bank	1936-37	(Withdrew due to amalagamation with ANZ Bank)
Fairfield	1936-73
Fawkner	1973-95
Fitzroy Districts	1904-05
Fitzroy Juniors	1912-15
Fitzroy Reds	1998-2008	Changed name from University Reds 1955-1964, 1973-98 and shed links with Melbourne University, now playing as part of Fitzroy Football Club.
Flinders Naval Base	1927-28
Footscray Districts	1892	Foundation club
Footscray TSOB	1932-90	Changed name to FIT in 1989
Gardenvale-Middle Brighton	1926
Gardiner	1932	(Changed name to Malvern 1933)
Geelong Amatuers	1926-40, 1947-82
Glenhuntly	1926-73
Glenhuntly	1991-1998	Changed name from Balaclava 1991- merged with St Kilda South Caulfield, St Kilda CBCOB 1999 to become Glen Eira
Glenroy	1974-77	Changed name to Therry CCOB 1977
GTV 9	1986
Hampton	1923-27
Hawthorn	1954-57
Hawthorn	1902-13	The current AFL powerhouse Hawthorn Football Club commenced in the VAFA (then the MJFA) before moving to the VFA in 1914. They joined the VFL from the VFA in 1925. Club merged with Boroondara (late Waterloo) in 1905 and adopted Boroondara’s colours of a black guernsey with red sash but retained the name of Hawthorn. In 1906 Hawthorn merged with successful junior club the Hawthorn Rovers to form the Hawthorn City Football Club as a result of Glenferrie Oval opening
Heatherton	1975-89
Heidelberg West	1939-40
Huntingdale	1956
Insurance Companies’ Social Clubs	1954-58
Kew Districts	1926
Kingsville	1927-35
Kontias	1989-91
Kooyong	1963-65
La Trobe University Reds	1971
Leopold	1898-1915
Malvern	1896, 1933-64	Changed name from Gardiner in 1933. Later changed name to Tooronga-Malvern 1964-72
Melbourne Shipping Companies	1922
Melbourne Swimming Club	1920-23
Monash Whites	1964-65, 1971-2001	Changed name to Monash Blues to become their Club 18 team in 2001.
Moreland	1949-51
Mt Carmel OC	1936-40
Mt Lilydale	1997-2018
Murrumbeena	1923-62
Myer	1937-54
National Bank	1932-38, 1954-79
Naval Base Flinders	1927-28
Newlands Coburg	1994-1996
North Alphington	1948-52
Northern Blues	2009 – 2010	Entered as an Under 18 club only, changed name to Northern Blues in 2011, with the club becoming a senior club in 2013.
Nunawading	1894-1896
Oakleigh	1908-11, 1927-28
Oakleigh – Clayton	2003-2006	Oakleigh Merged with Clayton (SFL)to form an u19 side only. Seniors remain the same.
Old Haileybury-Old Trinity	1928-35
Old Scotch Collegians	1894-1895
Olinda	1893
Parkdale	1934-54
Parkville	1899
Pascoe Vale	1927-28, 1940
Patricians	1965-69
Pharmacy College	1962-65
Point Cook	2010-17	Left VAFA to WRFL in a bid to join senior & junior club
Port Colts	1987-89
Port Melbourne	1956-59
Port Rovers	1903-08
Postal Institute	1965
***Prahran	1999-2010	(Formerley known as Southbank, also refer Commonwealth Bank). In 2011, club merged with Assumption Old Collegians to become Prahran Assumption.
Prahran – Caulfield	2007 –	Joined through amalgamation with Caulfield (SFL) to form Under 19 side
Preston	1954-69
Preston Marist Brothers Old Boys	1983-93
Princes Hill	1979-81
RAAF Cadets	1964-65
Reservoir Old Boys	1965-77
Rupertswood	2000-2012	Left the VAFA for the RDFL at end of 2012
Salesian O C	1989-2007	Amalgamated with St Mary’s, start of 2008
Sandringham Districts	1926-27
Scotch Collegians	1894-95
South Camberwell	1937-40
South Caulfield	1926-40
South Melbourne City	1954-59
South Melbourne Juniors	1900
South Mornington	2006-2019	(Under-19 only 2006, seniors and reserves 2007)
South St Kilda	1892-1899
South Yarra	1897-1921
Southbank	1994-98	Formerly known as Commonwealth Bank, changed name to Prahran for 1999.
St Andrew’s – Coburg	1986-1995
St Colomb’s	1953
St Francis Xavier’s	1899
St Francis Xavier OC	2007-2019
St Ignatius’s	1900-02, 1932-34
St Jude’s	1892-1893
St Kilda CBC Old Boys	1958-1991	St Kilda CBC merged with Murrumbeena and South Caulfield from the (YCWFL) in 1992 to become St Kilda South Caulfield (1992-98). Before they amalgamated with Glen Huntly in 1998 to become Glen Eira in 1999.
St Leonard’s	1986-89
St Mary’s	1990-2007	Amalgamated with Salesian, start of 2008
St Mary’s	1892-1898	Foundation club.
St Patrick’s (Ballarat) OC	1939-40, 1951-55, 1964-75
St Patricks Mentone	1991-2000	changed name to Mentone Amateurs in 2000
St Paul’s (Ascot Vale)	1926-40
St Peter’s Clayton	1991-92	Changed name of Oakleigh in 1992
St Pius’s	1979-1982
St Andrew’s (Brighton)	1949-51
St Kilda South Caulfield	1992-98	Merged with Glenhuntly in 1999 to become Glen Eira
St Patrick’s Monivae	1976
State Commonwealth Bank	1991-1994	Formed from merger of State Bank and Commonwealth Bank, 1991, changed name to Southbank 1994
State Electricity Commission	1947
State Savings Bank	1927-90
Surrey Hills	1928-32
Teachers College	1920-57
Thomastown	1975-2000	Moved to the DVFL now the Northern Football League
Thornbury	1973-83	(Junior club only 1975 – 1979, moved into senior section 1980)
Thornbury Cougars	1996-1999	Ceased
Toorak Grosvenor	1892-1894
Tooronga-Malvern	1964-72	(Changed name from Malvern)
Waltham	1895-1897
Waverley Amateurs	1989-90	(Clayton and Waverley VFA merged to form Waverley Amateurs (1989)
Werribee Districts	1998 – 2013	Joined as a junior club. (Werribee Amateurs until 2011), Left VAFA from Premier B at end of 2013 to transfer to Western Region FL.
West Hawthorn	1927-33
Windsor	1894-1898
Wyndham Suns	2014	Broke to form new club out of Old Westbourne Grammarians, but only formed a U19s for 2014. Left for Western Regiorn FL at end of 2014
YMCA	1892-1893

St Pius were destined for higher grades when they burst into the Amateurs 1979 - premierships and then early in their last season [round4/5] ran out of money - disbanded on the spot - Some went to other amateur clubs - mostly A/B grade I wonder why?

 

[Champ or Chump]

The Banyule example is interesting, and perhaps they were simply a club not suited to amateur footy, they are surrounded by clubs in the NFL who pay insane money and with no school allegiance were always fighting an uphill battle to compete. If you look at a side like St Bernards and PEGS they can only compete against the money from EDFL because of the school connections. There will be clubs leave but can also see clubs like Port Colts and St Kilda City from the Southern League who only really survive due to some shady characters tipping in hundreds of thousands of dollars each year and jobs offered on the docks, eventually this will run out and the demographics of these areas suggest they are far more suited to amateur footy than suburban.

Having played with Banyule (and know alot of people there) I dont think 'being suited to the VAFA' was the issue. They have a well set up and significant junior program, great community engagement and significant sponsorship/networks. So, IMHO, I feel they were as good as any non-school affiliated team .....back then.

Anyhow ...... I totally understand that clubs who have worked very hard, have great school feeder programs and currently enjoying the best of the VAFA facilities and opportunities have no real desire to make/consider any change that would be detrimental to your own club. In reality why would you? It's a little like wealth distribution, but lets not go there ....its a fun footy forum after all. But, the VAFA of today is very different competition structure to that of 20-30 years ago and those changes have repercussions that present new challenges to VAFA H/O far beyond natural attrition or historical change. I'm just suggesting that IF they want an expansive and diverse competition that truly reflects and considers ALL clubs, then avoiding the obvious before them will not help.

I will now toddle off and head to training tonight with my 6 or 8 school boy mates who did not give the game away and still enjoy having a kick with a few of us down in the divisional abyss.

Chump

 

[bedford]

Mate you post on here at 4.30am I'd suggest it is you rather than the Bedford that has a sad life!

Might be Jeff Kennett he gets on the turps and tweets well into the night

 

[beebee gun]

If I’m posting here at 4.30am I’m probably overseas, you know there is a world outside of Australia, right?

Might be Jeff Kennett he gets on the turps and tweets well into the night

Don't think he ever leaves Malvern let alone goes overseas.

 

[bedford]

Don't think he ever leaves Malvern let alone goes overseas.

Seen him at Sportscover

 

[beebee gun]

Seen him at Sportscover

Saddest individual on here, have a look at his rubbish. The bloke bags everyone, have a look at his dig at the three young lads from Trinity trying their hand at Coburg VFL. Disgraceful.

 

[Over The Post]

Keep it seemly, gentlemen.

Mr Platinum: In 2014 OWGAFC was renamed Wyndham Suns and moved grounds. Westbourne Grammarians was a new club that retained many of the former OWGAFC senior players.

 

[Mr Platinum]

St Pius were destined for higher grades when they burst into the Amateurs 1979 - premierships and then early in their last season [round4/5] ran out of money - disbanded on the spot - Some went to other amateur clubs - mostly A/B grade I wonder why?

Because they wanted to play at a higher level?

 

[CARLTON2011]

I doubt they’ll limit teams Mr Chump, the VAFA make a heap from their subs and they need the big clubs to support the minnows in the lower grades, we need those small clubs.

"VAFA make a heap from their subs". Maybe on paper but how many are up to date? Not many l believe.

 

[SeaSide]

That’s true, but if Im a betting man, pretty sure a percentage of these juniors flow to seniors

I think the real reason for split was that juniors were worried that seniors were going to kicked out of comp

Rember the senior only back in the comp in 2014?

The previous Newport teams ,had folded disbanded years previously. Can’t remember if they were kicked out of the league

I have attached the 2022 list of players transferring to Newport (WRFL) Football Club in order to dilute your betting strategy.
Seven NJFC players in that year were recruited by the NFC, the remainder dispersing amoungst other local clubs.
You are correct however that, in assuming that there were 28? players in the NJFC U16 team, that the percentage of players graduating to the NFC was 25%.

North Sunshine	Newport Football Club	Abdo, Mohamed	Approved	2022-02-16	2022-02-24
North Sunshine	Newport Football Club	Abdou, Abdulla	Approved	2022-03-02	2022-03-07
North Sunshine	Newport Football Club	Abdou, Madyen	Approved	2022-02-24	2022-03-07
Altona	Newport Football Club	Abou-Zeid, Omar	Approved	2022-03-04	2022-03-24
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Alkantar, Haysam	Approved	2022-02-15	2022-03-04
Hoppers Crossing	Newport Football Club	Dibb, Mohamed	Approved	2022-03-09	2022-03-16
Point Cook	Newport Football Club	El Chiekh, Karim	Approved	2022-03-01	2022-04-01
Altona	Newport Football Club	El Souki, Bill	Approved	2022-02-04	2022-03-14
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	El-Dannawi, Rabih	Approved	2022-02-15	2022-03-27
Altona Juniors	Newport Football Club	El-Hassan, Zade	Approved	2022-02-09	2022-03-10
Spotswood	Newport Football Club	Elhawli, Hussein	Approved	2022-04-21	2022-04-28
Yarraville Seddon Eagles	Newport Football Club	Evans, Liam	Approved	2022-02-11	2022-02-18
Point Cook	Newport Football Club	Goga, Jalil	Approved	2022-03-24	2022-03-26
Hoppers Crossing	Newport Football Club	Haddara, Mohammed	Pending	2022-05-28
Spotswood	Newport Football Club	Hamad, Nayef	Approved	2022-02-04	2022-02-07
Point Cook	Newport Football Club	Hasna, Hussein	Approved	2022-03-04	2022-04-06
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Hawli, Mesbah	Approved	2022-02-15	2022-03-25
Point Cook Centrals	Newport Football Club	Houli, Malek	Approved	2022-02-17	2022-02-18
Point Cook	Newport Football Club	Ibrahim, Ahmed	Approved	2022-03-01	2022-04-02
Western Region Football League (WRFL)	Newport Football Club	Ismail, Sohrob	Approved	2022-02-04	2022-02-24
Point Cook	Newport Football Club	Jassem, Jihad	Approved	2022-02-15	2022-03-02
Altona	Newport Football Club	Jawad, Abdul	Approved	2022-02-04	2022-03-24
Yarraville Seddon Eagles	Newport Football Club	Kaddour, Adam	Approved	2022-02-15	2022-03-13
Yarraville Seddon Eagles	Newport Football Club	Kadour, Hussien	Approved	2022-03-24	2022-04-07
Hoppers Crossing	Newport Football Club	Melhem, Mohammed	Approved	2022-02-21	2022-03-15
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Mesto, Ahmed	Approved	2022-03-10	2022-04-08
Albion	Newport Football Club	Mesto, Sam	Approved	2020-02-03	2022-02-23
Western Region Football League (WRFL)	Newport Football Club	Mesto, Sam	Approved	2022-02-21	2022-03-21
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Mustapha, Mohamed	Approved	2022-02-23	2022-03-04
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Mustapha, Mohamed	Approved	2022-03-09	2022-04-08
Northern Football Netball League (NFNL)	Newport Football Club	Rafei, Mahmoud	Approved	2022-03-22	2022-03-24
North Gippsland Football Netball League	Newport Football Club	Roughead, Jarryd	Approved	2022-06-22	2022-06-22
West Gippsland Football Netball Competition	Newport Football Club	Roughead, Jarryd	Denied	2022-06-21	2022-06-22
Newport Power Junior Football Club	Newport Football Club	Taleb, Mohamed	Approved	2022-04-01	2022-04-07

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[Champ or Chump]

Glenorchy (Tassie) cant field teams as training 3 nights per week too much for some lads who want to train maybe 1 night (pie night) and get paid well!

Will I get that at the Hoes this year Chumpy?

Spoke to the President tonight Brainy T and he said that you will be on a performance based agreement this year and as such a pie could be 'overs'.

He was in good form tonight, but asked me to get off big footy and stop picking on the Old Boys Clubs

Chump

 

[Jascave]

Was there a defunct VAFA club called Collingwood Amateurs in the mid 1950s?