Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

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Underarm said:
What home ground advantage do we get against Collingwood or Melbourne?
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There's positives and negatives about this.

Do you share the MCG as a home ground? Yes you do.

Also what about Bulldogs, saints and North Melbourne they are docklands tenants.

Yet in 2022, Richmond had a home game vs dockers at Docklands. Now is that a disadvantage vs the tigers?

I have also acknowledge that Richmond has to fight 9 other Victorian sides for local talent.

Richmond fans like Grin ,babe Tzatziki_Man agree about that one
 
Freomaniac said:
Yet in 2022, Richmond had a home game vs dockers at Docklands. Now is that a disadvantage vs the tigers?
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Freo played 5 games at Marvel in 2022, compared to Richmond just 3.

Fremantle had the ground familiarity advantage.

It is obviously a win to Freo to not have to play Richmond at their actual home ground, the MCG.

AFL House policy decided Richmond doesnt get all their home games at the G.
 
If Nick Daicos had given Jimmy Webster a blood nose, would he have been cited or would the vFL MRO have let it go through as a football act?

Vicbias at it's finest in suspending Heeney when other Vic players have got away with far worse this season.

Vicbias alive and well but the game is in trouble when you can deliberately punch players hard and just get a fine but a glancing fend off is given a suspension.
 
Butters, Charlie Cameron and Hogan all lucky they play for BIG VIC clubs.
 
www.theage.com.au

The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer

Between 50 and 80 players will be getting a healthy bonus to their pay from a new marketing fund that has been included in AFL players’ CBA.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

Anyone have a copy of this article?

Would be interesting to know how the players are split between vic and non vic clubs
 
go_the_dockers said:
www.theage.com.au

The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer

Between 50 and 80 players will be getting a healthy bonus to their pay from a new marketing fund that has been included in AFL players’ CBA.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

Anyone have a copy of this article?

Would be interesting to know how the players are split between vic and non vic clubs
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One of the most legitimate examples of Vicbias in this thread - Though the big Non Vic clubs are also going to benefit as well.

Its dumb for the exact same reasons why COLA was dumb.
 
go_the_dockers said:
www.theage.com.au

The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer

Between 50 and 80 players will be getting a healthy bonus to their pay from a new marketing fund that has been included in AFL players’ CBA.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

Anyone have a copy of this article?

Would be interesting to know how the players are split between vic and non vic clubs
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The Age
The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer
BySam McClure
July 11, 2024 — 5.30am

The AFL’s richest players are about to get richer, thanks to a little-known pool of money – nearly $35 million – that has been included in the new collective bargaining agreement.

The “marketing fund”, which is yet to come into effect, will be made exclusively available to a select group of high-profile stars and will allow them to earn extra money with the AFL’s commercial partners, separate not only to their playing salaries but even to the additional services agreement. The latter is essentially a contract that a player enters with their club or club sponsor (as opposed to the marketing fund, which is purely for AFL sponsors/partners).

The marketing fund, part of the agreement that runs from 2023 to 2027, is so little known that four club chief executives and six heads of football had no clue it even existed.

It means the likes of Bailey Smith, Harley Reid, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Christian Petracca, Lachie Neale, Charlie Curnow, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Ginnivan and Isaac Heeney could be among those put forward for advertising campaigns involving the AFL’s major partners, including Toyota, McDonald’s and Gatorade, just to name a few.

Smith, despite missing this season with a knee injury, remains one of the most marketable players in the game. Not only does he model for clothing brand Cotton On, he’s also a paid ambassador with drinks company Monster Energy.

The list is being put together in a joint effort between the AFL and the players’ association.

Under the agreement, the list can contain a minimum of 50 players and a maximum of 80.

At least eight on the list – or 15 per cent, whichever is higher – must be AFLW players.

But how will it be determined?

According to two senior sources with knowledge of the agreement who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations, the list will be compiled based on three pillars:

“Market demand” – who do the AFL’s commercial partners like and/or want in their next campaign.
On-field performance.
Personal brand – social media following, networking capabilities, ability to perform well in interviews etc.
AFLPA boss Paul Marsh – who is on sabbatical – launched a marketing fund when he was in charge of the cricket players’ union and has been successful in implementing it into football.

It was all the way back in 2009 that Marsh negotiated a pool of $2.9 million for Cricket Australia’s 25 contracted players to access in promotional appearances.

The 50-80 AFL players will have access to a kitty of $6.2 million in 2024. That figure will rise to $8.4 million in the agreement’s last year, 2027.

It means that one of the game’s highest-paid players, earning well north of $1 million a season, could then earn an extra $168,000 in one year.

Several high-profile player managers contacted by The Scoop privately expressed their concerns with the fund, suggesting that it’s likely to negatively impact middle-tier players, who may not have the public profile of others.

Another player agent – who wouldn’t speak publicly because of the sensitive nature of the topic – told this column that star players at interstate clubs might not get the attention that similarly talented players at bigger clubs would.

For example, is Caleb Serong at Fremantle or Noah Anderson at Gold Coast as “marketable” as Adam Cerra at Carlton? They are players of similar age and ability, but one plays for a Victorian powerhouse, while the other two are more off-Broadway.

Former Carlton defender and now AFLPA commercial boss Michael Jamison believes the fund provides the ability for the game’s best players to be rewarded financially outside of what they do on the field.

“The AFLPA understands the importance of giving our members opportunities for greater earning capacity in a heavily restricted commercial landscape,” Jamison said.

“Players are only in the game for short period of time, so it’s crucial we explore further mechanisms so they maximise their careers, which, in-turn, helps their transition from football.

“The inclusion of a marketing fund for a group of AFL and AFLW players was a key outcome in the current CBA. Importantly, the identified players will work with existing industry partners to help grow and promote the game.

“The specific details are being worked through with the AFL and will be finalised and implemented for the 2025 seasons.”

Unused money from the 2024 allocation would be included over the following three years.
 
The_Wookie said:
The Age
The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer
BySam McClure
July 11, 2024 — 5.30am

The AFL’s richest players are about to get richer, thanks to a little-known pool of money – nearly $35 million – that has been included in the new collective bargaining agreement.

The “marketing fund”, which is yet to come into effect, will be made exclusively available to a select group of high-profile stars and will allow them to earn extra money with the AFL’s commercial partners, separate not only to their playing salaries but even to the additional services agreement. The latter is essentially a contract that a player enters with their club or club sponsor (as opposed to the marketing fund, which is purely for AFL sponsors/partners).

The marketing fund, part of the agreement that runs from 2023 to 2027, is so little known that four club chief executives and six heads of football had no clue it even existed.

It means the likes of Bailey Smith, Harley Reid, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Christian Petracca, Lachie Neale, Charlie Curnow, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Ginnivan and Isaac Heeney could be among those put forward for advertising campaigns involving the AFL’s major partners, including Toyota, McDonald’s and Gatorade, just to name a few.

Smith, despite missing this season with a knee injury, remains one of the most marketable players in the game. Not only does he model for clothing brand Cotton On, he’s also a paid ambassador with drinks company Monster Energy.

The list is being put together in a joint effort between the AFL and the players’ association.

Under the agreement, the list can contain a minimum of 50 players and a maximum of 80.

At least eight on the list – or 15 per cent, whichever is higher – must be AFLW players.

But how will it be determined?

According to two senior sources with knowledge of the agreement who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations, the list will be compiled based on three pillars:

“Market demand” – who do the AFL’s commercial partners like and/or want in their next campaign.
On-field performance.
Personal brand – social media following, networking capabilities, ability to perform well in interviews etc.
AFLPA boss Paul Marsh – who is on sabbatical – launched a marketing fund when he was in charge of the cricket players’ union and has been successful in implementing it into football.

It was all the way back in 2009 that Marsh negotiated a pool of $2.9 million for Cricket Australia’s 25 contracted players to access in promotional appearances.

The 50-80 AFL players will have access to a kitty of $6.2 million in 2024. That figure will rise to $8.4 million in the agreement’s last year, 2027.

It means that one of the game’s highest-paid players, earning well north of $1 million a season, could then earn an extra $168,000 in one year.

Several high-profile player managers contacted by The Scoop privately expressed their concerns with the fund, suggesting that it’s likely to negatively impact middle-tier players, who may not have the public profile of others.

Another player agent – who wouldn’t speak publicly because of the sensitive nature of the topic – told this column that star players at interstate clubs might not get the attention that similarly talented players at bigger clubs would.

For example, is Caleb Serong at Fremantle or Noah Anderson at Gold Coast as “marketable” as Adam Cerra at Carlton? They are players of similar age and ability, but one plays for a Victorian powerhouse, while the other two are more off-Broadway.

Former Carlton defender and now AFLPA commercial boss Michael Jamison believes the fund provides the ability for the game’s best players to be rewarded financially outside of what they do on the field.

“The AFLPA understands the importance of giving our members opportunities for greater earning capacity in a heavily restricted commercial landscape,” Jamison said.

“Players are only in the game for short period of time, so it’s crucial we explore further mechanisms so they maximise their careers, which, in-turn, helps their transition from football.

“The inclusion of a marketing fund for a group of AFL and AFLW players was a key outcome in the current CBA. Importantly, the identified players will work with existing industry partners to help grow and promote the game.

“The specific details are being worked through with the AFL and will be finalised and implemented for the 2025 seasons.”

Unused money from the 2024 allocation would be included over the following three years.
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I’d be worried that bigger clubs could use that as incentive to poach players from smaller clubs. Is it then incumbent on the AFL to ensure more exposure to smaller clubs at a national level to make their players more marketable?

Note I think Sydney can benefit from this as they have a large national exposure, as well as some of the big Melbourne clubs. If you’re close to the large corporate HQs then you probably benefit more.
 
VolgaBoatman said:
I’d be worried that bigger clubs could use that as incentive to poach players from smaller clubs. Is it then incumbent on the AFL to ensure more exposure to smaller clubs at a national level to make their players more marketable?

Note I think Sydney can benefit from this as they have a large national exposure, as well as some of the big Melbourne clubs. If you’re close to the large corporate HQs then you probably benefit more.
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I don’t really see it that way it seems like it’s more about the selected players profiles as individuals instead of who they play for and I don’t think the two are overly linked

It’s more about luck of the draw in terms of drafting players that capture the public’s attention who are also a gun

Even the example given in the article where it pits Serong against Cerra doesn’t hold much water since Cerra wouldn’t be the type who would qualify imo

It’s more about those universally loved or marketable players who would benefit if we are talking in the past 10 years I’m thinking guys like Natanui, Dusty, Cripps, Bont, Greene, Fyfe, Ablett ect
 

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Underarm said:
I don't think its a big link, but its definitely there. And its something the big clubs will be able to exploit
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Fair enough I’m not so sure since if I’m understanding correctly we are specifically talking about that very top echelon on players and to get the type of marketing pull they seem to be implying the difference in club size in terms of market reach would be negligible because they would want the names that even non footy fans would find recognisable

But that’s how I see it and not necessarily how it would be actually implemented
 
I think Fremantle get the rough end of it a lot of the time, but complaining about travel then having your injury prone captain fly to Tasmania to see home for two days seems a bit contradictory. If the travel was that much of a burden why would you have one of your most important players get on a plane for 4 hours there and back and not play?
 
dont bowl there said:
I think Fremantle get the rough end of it a lot of the time, but complaining about travel then having your injury prone captain fly to Tasmania to see home for two days seems a bit contradictory. If the travel was that much of a burden why would you have one of your most important players get on a plane for 4 hours there and back and not play?
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Mostly because it's his home state, and I guess the medicos ticked it off. I honestly don't know what impact a flight has on someone recovering from a fracture / broken arm, so perhaps it's not that much if anything. Mostly Freo are asking for less 5 day breaks from major travel, and the fact that they have one extra fixture interstate now with Gather round doesn't seem to be helping the situation overall.
 
VolgaBoatman said:
Mostly because it's his home state, and I guess the medicos ticked it off. I honestly don't know what impact a flight has on someone recovering from a fracture / broken arm, so perhaps it's not that much if anything. Mostly Freo are asking for less 5 day breaks from major travel, and the fact that they have one extra fixture interstate now with Gather round doesn't seem to be helping the situation overall.
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I get that it's his home state, but it's an unnecessary travel burden on a key tall defender. Couldn't care less if they take him and it's not a bad thing, but it does make the argument against travel a little redundant.
 
dont bowl there said:
I think Fremantle get the rough end of it a lot of the time, but complaining about travel then having your injury prone captain fly to Tasmania to see home for two days seems a bit contradictory. If the travel was that much of a burden why would you have one of your most important players get on a plane for 4 hours there and back and not play?
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I think this shows you balancing act non Victorian clubs have.

This is his only chance to head back to see family, and 70% of our list is not from WA.
 
dont bowl there said:
I get that it's his home state, but it's an unnecessary travel burden on a key tall defender. Couldn't care less if they take him and it's not a bad thing, but it does make the argument against travel a little redundant.
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You know why travel is a burden, right?

It's not an issue for injured blokes undergoing rehab.
 
dont bowl there said:
HAHAHA rightio.
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It isn't.

It's the lack of proper rehab between games, that Perth teams especially don't get, that's the bigger issue.

Plus training less off shorter breaks, etc.

An already injured bloke isn't going to be affected by cabin pressure in the same way a guy with a massive corkie is.
 
The_Wookie said:
The Age
The $35m pool that will help the AFL’s rich get richer
BySam McClure
July 11, 2024 — 5.30am

The AFL’s richest players are about to get richer, thanks to a little-known pool of money – nearly $35 million – that has been included in the new collective bargaining agreement.

The “marketing fund”, which is yet to come into effect, will be made exclusively available to a select group of high-profile stars and will allow them to earn extra money with the AFL’s commercial partners, separate not only to their playing salaries but even to the additional services agreement. The latter is essentially a contract that a player enters with their club or club sponsor (as opposed to the marketing fund, which is purely for AFL sponsors/partners).

The marketing fund, part of the agreement that runs from 2023 to 2027, is so little known that four club chief executives and six heads of football had no clue it even existed.

It means the likes of Bailey Smith, Harley Reid, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Christian Petracca, Lachie Neale, Charlie Curnow, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Ginnivan and Isaac Heeney could be among those put forward for advertising campaigns involving the AFL’s major partners, including Toyota, McDonald’s and Gatorade, just to name a few.

Smith, despite missing this season with a knee injury, remains one of the most marketable players in the game. Not only does he model for clothing brand Cotton On, he’s also a paid ambassador with drinks company Monster Energy.

The list is being put together in a joint effort between the AFL and the players’ association.

Under the agreement, the list can contain a minimum of 50 players and a maximum of 80.

At least eight on the list – or 15 per cent, whichever is higher – must be AFLW players.

But how will it be determined?

According to two senior sources with knowledge of the agreement who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations, the list will be compiled based on three pillars:

“Market demand” – who do the AFL’s commercial partners like and/or want in their next campaign.
On-field performance.
Personal brand – social media following, networking capabilities, ability to perform well in interviews etc.
AFLPA boss Paul Marsh – who is on sabbatical – launched a marketing fund when he was in charge of the cricket players’ union and has been successful in implementing it into football.

It was all the way back in 2009 that Marsh negotiated a pool of $2.9 million for Cricket Australia’s 25 contracted players to access in promotional appearances.

The 50-80 AFL players will have access to a kitty of $6.2 million in 2024. That figure will rise to $8.4 million in the agreement’s last year, 2027.

It means that one of the game’s highest-paid players, earning well north of $1 million a season, could then earn an extra $168,000 in one year.

Several high-profile player managers contacted by The Scoop privately expressed their concerns with the fund, suggesting that it’s likely to negatively impact middle-tier players, who may not have the public profile of others.

Another player agent – who wouldn’t speak publicly because of the sensitive nature of the topic – told this column that star players at interstate clubs might not get the attention that similarly talented players at bigger clubs would.

For example, is Caleb Serong at Fremantle or Noah Anderson at Gold Coast as “marketable” as Adam Cerra at Carlton? They are players of similar age and ability, but one plays for a Victorian powerhouse, while the other two are more off-Broadway.

Former Carlton defender and now AFLPA commercial boss Michael Jamison believes the fund provides the ability for the game’s best players to be rewarded financially outside of what they do on the field.

“The AFLPA understands the importance of giving our members opportunities for greater earning capacity in a heavily restricted commercial landscape,” Jamison said.

“Players are only in the game for short period of time, so it’s crucial we explore further mechanisms so they maximise their careers, which, in-turn, helps their transition from football.

“The inclusion of a marketing fund for a group of AFL and AFLW players was a key outcome in the current CBA. Importantly, the identified players will work with existing industry partners to help grow and promote the game.

“The specific details are being worked through with the AFL and will be finalised and implemented for the 2025 seasons.”

Unused money from the 2024 allocation would be included over the following three years.
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This is a shit idea. Rewards 'personal branding' rather than football skill. Theoretically this money could all end up being paid out to players at say 5 clubs. Free publicity for those clubs ahead of others, I don't like it.

It will end up being outside cap cash covering up for inside cap

An equal amount to every club or drop the whole idea.

This is the problem in the whole debate/thread. So much inherent bias is already considered normal. Every decision is, by default, taken from a stacked position. Not enough holistic and reflective thought, way too much tribal club thought.
 
bzparkes said:
It isn't.

It's the lack of proper rehab between games, that Perth teams especially don't get, that's the bigger issue.

Plus training less off shorter breaks, etc.

An already injured bloke isn't going to be affected by cabin pressure in the same way a guy with a massive corkie is.
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Even if that is the case, being on a plane for 8 hours when you don't need to be can't be a positive thing for the body. Especially one that has regularly had issues staying fit.
 

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