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Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2
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Not against the 7 other teams who also are familiar and play home games at the G.
Are you still a bit slow that the other Port nuffie asked if any non-vic clubs get an away game at their home ground.
Port are a non-vic team who get an way games at their home ground.
#portbias
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And why is that?
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Last I checked, ther are 17 other clubs
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Shall we count through the away games at home together? I know the ABCs and 123s are difficult for you fellas.
Absolutely
I still think Alex Rance was a clear BOG in the 2017 GF.
When the game had to be won & when Adelaide were surging in the first half, he was easily Richmond’s most valuable player in curtailing that.
Crows could’ve easily got on more of a roll then if Rance wasn’t there.
When non vic clubs are equal on premierships (8 out of 18) over an extended period e.g. at least 10 years, ideally 20 then the thread is dead.
One premiership means nothing.
Why are you counting, that wasnt the question posed.
Like StKilda, Port is a club that gets to play an away game at its home ground.
Unlike StKilda, Port gets ALL 11 of its home games at its preferred home ground the AO.
Port will get the fixture enhanced top4 H&A finish, and then blow home finals to better teams again.
#portbias is real
I have been consistent.
1 Premiership every 12 years, is not enough for me to be convinced that AFL does not favour vic teams.
Surely an even number of Vic premierships, to non vic premierships based on teams in league is the best measure of fairness.
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TheBrownDog
Poor old Freo. Don't really get that it's 18 teams competing against each other. They've finally gotten themselves into a position where they'll be challenging for a decent block of years - just as the Academy advantages begin to really kick in. Their dream of Non-Vic flags will come to be, with them losing finals to Northern clubs.
you are simply equating attendance to results and ignoring every other factor.
here are the last 34 years.
West Coast and Sydney average a GF every 4.8 years. Brisbane every 7 years.
Better than half of the comp.
| 1990 - 2023 | Premiers | R/UP | Total GF's | |
| 1 | Hawthorn | 5 | 1 | 6 |
| 2 | West Coast Eagles | 4 | 3 | 7 |
| 3 | Collingwood | 3 | 4 | 7 |
| 4 | Richmond | 3 | 0 | 3 |
| 5 | Geelong | 3 | 5 | 8 |
| 6 | Brisbane | 3 | 2 | 5 |
| 7 | Sydney | 2 | 5 | 7 |
| 8 | North Melbourne | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| 9 | Essendon | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| 10 | Carlton | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| 11 | Adelaide | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| 12 | Western Bulldogs | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 13 | Port Adelaide | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 14 | Melbourne | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 15 | St Kilda | 0 | 3 | 3 |
| 16 | GWS Giants | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 17 | Fremantle | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 34 | 34 |
The grouping all VIC teams as one group is moronic. Just as trying to say SA/NSW teams cop the same travel disadvantage as WA teams is laughable.
The VIC teams are all different
You have no home ground co-tenants = 0 premierships
Carlton haven't played in a GF since the 90s
Essendon haven't won a final for 20 years
Marvel tenants = 1 premiership
North aint won a GF since the 90s
Saints aint won a GF since the 60s
Dogs fluked 1 after winning 4 finals away from home
MCG tenants = 6 premierships (2 not in VIC)
Melbourne won their premiership in WA
Richmond won a premiership in QLD
Collwood have a 1-4 GF record to non-Melbourne teams
Then you have the two successful VIC teams, who both play the most games outside of Melbourne = 8 premierships
Geelong have their own home ground, and are familiar at the G
Tassie Hawks, travel to get a ground advantage, and are familiar at the G.
The VIC bias sook is lazy and it misses the point.
To be successful you want a ground advantage during H&A and to be familiar with the G, what you dont want is to be a Melbourne based team without a ground advantage.
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Premiership success is closest linked to top financial performance over an extended period. Location is secondary
Bang on.
That was the review of mid 2000s finding. The footy department spending race was equalling wins. The only Melbourne club that could compete was Collingwood.
Again, AFL House policy was to financially handicap Melbourne teams with horrible ground rationalisation and woeful commercial ground contracts.
Two Vic clubs who weren't really handicapped Hawks and Cats.
Hawks smart enough to get in early and sort out a great commercial deal in Tassie, that also gave them a unique ground advantage. Hawks didn't care that they had more nights sleeping in hotels or were flying 9-10 times per year.
Geelong have a ridiculous advantage with a Stae Govt funding stadium upgrade, so get clean stadium with huge ground advantage down at the Cattery.
The other Melbourne based clubs have been shafted by AFL House policy.
Richmond were a rabble for 30 years, playing home games in QLD against QLD teams, until B.Gale got them sorted off-field and they lucked out with Dusty.
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It will once again only take a couple of consecutive years, could well be 2024 and 2025, of no prelim final in Melbourne and two non Vic teams in the granny for there to be millions of southern hands damaged from all the wringing, and wailing demands to "do something". It will be mid 2000's all over again https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-05-27/interstate-afl-dominance-leads-to-investigation/2560448
Because that, fundamentally, is the reason there is Vic bias - the prevailing view in Victoria that this is still the expanded VFL, not the AFL.
Because that, fundamentally, is the reason there is Vic bias - the prevailing view in Victoria that this is still the expanded VFL, not the AFL.
The structural issue identified was footy department spending correlated to on-field performance.
Has always been the way, $$ gets flags.
They introduced a footy department spending cap, so suddenly WC, Syd, Ade, Bris and Coll couldn't spend millions more than other clubs.
Travel has always been a minor, insignificant factor.
$$ and ground advantage = success
We are not allowed to use our money. Why can't we use our money?
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TheBrownDog
To reduce the amount of #richclubbias
I mean it's ridiculous that the league is fixtured and set up to be solely about money, yet the clubs with money are not allowed to use that money.
Lets make the league about money and move forward.
Cam Payne
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Get rid of clubs that own pokies.
sr36
TheBrownDog
It's not ridiculous. Their key goal is growing the game.
The AFL needs money to do so, so a lot of decisions are based around money
But having an even comp also helps to grow the game - so they want to reduce the advantage that money can give individual clubs.
I don't care if clubs own pokies, if the league operates every single thing purely about money, then it's time the clubs could operate without any interference with their money.
