Society/Culture Victoria Cross winner Ben Roberts-Smith - Allegations of war crimes

[Kwality]

Stokes has lots of money. A Hail Mary attempt to score a hit at 9 and anything to keep the value of his VCs intact.

And Porter withdrew his action without getting any retraction from the ABC btw, that means he lost. And there’s much more evidence against BRS than Porter.

Your definition of win/loss differs from mine.
The idea Stokes would ignore cost/ benefit is shallow given your mention of the value of VCs.

 

[JackOutback]

Stokes is emotionally invested. For the 9 reporters, it was just their job.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

****ers.

 

[Gough]

What was this Afghanistan business for? For twenty years we carved up this place in venture that blind Freddy could have predicted was going to be futile from day dotr, now we're cutting and running and the only legacy is better infrastructure for the Taliban and significant reputational damage for our armed forces. Golf claps for the coalition of the f***ing willing.

 

[Al Heimer]

What was this Afghanistan business for?

Not for any noble, just or security reasons. Just an opportunity to intergrate and advance our defence force systems with the US.

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[Over The Post]

Ben Roberts-Smith's case against ex-wife complicated after judge raises 'relationship' with lawyer

A judge says he is "surprised" it was left to him to raise the "embarrassing" situation of media reports that decorated veteran Ben Roberts-Smith spent time socially with a lawyer who has been working on the defamation case.

www.abc.net.au

Big city loyahs making lots of money from this.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Hmm.....puts a whole new meaning on "humping"

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I don't think I support woman-beating, civilian-murdering war criminals.

I think he belongs at The Hague. Do they still execute war criminals? Or only if they're the on the wrong side?

 

[Kwality]

I don't think I support woman-beating, civilian-murdering war criminals.

I think he belongs at The Hague. Do they still execute war criminals? Or only if they're the on the wrong side?

War crimes are for the losers only - as told to me by a WW2 veteran after he threw a schoolboy mate out of our house after bragging about machine gunning Japanese POWs at Cowra NSW in 1944.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Wow, he murdered at least 6 people and the news outlet involved is calling 21 witnesses to testify against him.
This guy is a total psychopath.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

How can 21 witnesses be described as just jealous?
He should be locked up forever.
He also punched his girlfriend in the head, what a scumbag.

 

[Kwality]

How can 21 witnesses be described as just jealous?
He should be locked up forever.
He also punched his girlfriend in the head, what a scumbag.

Another being asked to prove his innocence not the prosecution to prove his guilt ?

 

[Malifice]

How can 21 witnesses be described as just jealous?

Those 21 are just former operators who served with him. We also have his Wife, and numerous Afghan witnesses as well.

I knew he was ****ed from the moment the Respondents sought to amend their statement of defence to INCLUDE further allegations against him (rather than try and limit them).

 

[Taylor]

What was this Afghanistan business for?

I think the bootleg heroin being sold out of that area has gone through the roof in the last couple of decades.

 

[Malifice]

Another being asked to prove his innocence not the prosecution to prove his guilt ?

There is no 'innocence' or 'guilt' and there is no prosecution. It's a civil trial and not a criminal one, in which BRS is the applicant.

Its his application, and he bears the legal and evidentiary burden of proving that the Media defamed him.

It's up to the Media respondents then to establish any defence (in this case, the defence of truth), should BRS prove they defamed him.

 

[Taylor]

War crimes are for the losers only - as told to me by a WW2 veteran after he thru a schoolboy mate out of our house after bragging about machine gunning Japanese POWs at Cowra NSW in 1944.

Not just for the losers. They have to be politically expendable.

Plenty of Japanese war criminals spent their lives free, as did Nazis working at NASA.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Not just for the losers. They have to be politically expendable.

Plenty of Japanese war criminals spent their lives free, as did Nazis working at NASA.

Don't you think this guy should be locked up for life?
His actions are crimes against the Geneva convention which state you're not allowed to execute captured combatants or civilians.
The army's reputation is tarnished because of this overconfident jerk who thinks he is untouchable.

 

[Taylor]

Don't you think this guy should be locked up for life?
His actions are crimes against the Geneva convention which state you're not allowed to execute captured combatants or civilians.
The army's reputation is tarnished because of this overconfident jerk who thinks he is untouchable.

I think I'd want to be in possession of all the facts to make a decision like that, so far the facts I have is that the Australian forces conducted their assassination missions by raiding a building, capturing the people within, identifying the targets and then executing them.

That sound very graphic, I know. The alternatives are to leave the enemy alone or drop a bomb on the building and kill everyone inside - not just the target.

Insert clip where General Jack Nicholson explains that war is a dirty business in which people die and regular folk don't actually want to know what goes on to keep them safe.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I think I'd want to be in possession of all the facts to make a decision like that, so far the facts I have is that the Australian forces conducted their assassination missions by raiding a building, capturing the people within, identifying the targets and then executing them.

That sound very graphic, I know. The alternatives are to leave the enemy alone or drop a bomb on the building and kill everyone inside - not just the target.

Insert clip where General Jack Nicholson explains that war is a dirty business in which people die and regular folk don't actually want to know what goes on to keep them safe.

I don't think there are any reasonable excuses for what happened at all.

 

[Hornberger]

It's up to the Media respondents then to establish any defence (in this case, the defence of truth), should BRS prove they defamed him.

Is the truth the only defense they are going with?

 

[Kwality]

There is no 'innocence' or 'guilt' and there is no prosecution. It's a civil trial and not a criminal one, in which BRS is the applicant.

Its his application, and he bears the legal and evidentiary burden of proving that the Media defamed him.

It's up to the Media respondents then to establish any defence (in this case, the defence of truth), should BRS prove they defamed him.

We all know that, what is being prosecuted HERE is his guilt. Do you really read the posts?

 

[MC Bad Genius]

We all know that, what is being prosecuted HERE is his guilt. Do you really read the posts?

So if he loses the defamation case (where the defence is a truth defence), how should we interpret that?

 

[Kwality]

Not just for the losers. They have to be politically expendable.

Plenty of Japanese war criminals spent their lives free, as did Nazis working at NASA.

That is very true.

 

[Kwality]

So if he loses the defamation case (where the defence is a truth defence), how should we interpret that?

That is exactly the point I am making.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

That is exactly the point I am making.

I'll amend that slightly then, if he loses the defamation case, how will YOU interpret that?