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words cant even describe how stupid this comment is.

and please, who gives a fk about what republicans in america think? these are the same republicans who allow weekly school shootings because people should have the freedom to military grade weapons of war, the banning of abortion even in the case of rape because women shouldnt have the right to choose what happens with their bodies, and ban any kangaroo products because they saw it in crocodile dundee. they even voted trump as their president.

oh and also, those same republicans took us into a war for oil (not a phrase, they admitted it later that it was to secure the oil fields) based on fabrications about WMD's, where australian soldiers died for their money. The very shrine these rioters pissed on was built to commemorate these and all fallen australian soldiers.

This is the most bizarre thing in this whole COVID shit show.

How on earth have the Republicans managed to position themselves as this pro freedom and anti Vax movement? And how have they sucked people in??

They literally tried to win an election only a year or so ago by trying to make people ineligible to vote. They literally tried to remove people's right to vote! And that's not a new thing for them. They've been doing that for a long long time.

In top of that there's the abortion thing, where the government decides what you can't do to your own body!

Then there's the support of police who shoot people.

There's Trump being the self proclaimed 'father of the vaccine', and giving his rich mates pardons when he leaves his office.


It's simply perplexing that people here have attached and aligned themselves with Republicans. It makes no sense at all.
 

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they're both acting like dictators, that's what people don't understand, this isn't just political cheerleeding "go blue, boo red", this is identifying abhorrent political practice and calling it out. Some of us have actual opinions based on principles, not just what the media and tribalistic support tells us we should be supportive or anti.

Comments like this are just so moronic. SO... anyone who has an opinion different to you hasn't based that opinion on their principles? Absolute rubbish statement.
 
This is the most bizarre thing in this whole COVID sh*t show.

How on earth have the Republicans managed to position themselves as this pro freedom and anti Vax movement? And how have they sucked people in??

They literally tried to win an election only a year or so ago by trying to make people ineligible to vote. They literally tried to remove people's right to vote! And that's not a new thing for them. They've been doing that for a long long time.

In top of that there's the abortion thing, where the government decides what you can't do to your own body!

Then there's the support of police who shoot people.

There's Trump being the self proclaimed 'father of the vaccine', and giving his rich mates pardons when he leaves his office.


It's simply perplexing that people here have attached and aligned themselves with Republicans. It makes no sense at all.

Because their position (which is echoed by right wingers here) is simply to be anti whatever the small-L liberals are for. They have no other ideology except for this.
 
This is the most bizarre thing in this whole COVID sh*t show.

How on earth have the Republicans managed to position themselves as this pro freedom and anti Vax movement? And how have they sucked people in??

They literally tried to win an election only a year or so ago by trying to make people ineligible to vote. They literally tried to remove people's right to vote! And that's not a new thing for them. They've been doing that for a long long time.

In top of that there's the abortion thing, where the government decides what you can't do to your own body!

Then there's the support of police who shoot people.

There's Trump being the self proclaimed 'father of the vaccine', and giving his rich mates pardons when he leaves his office.


It's simply perplexing that people here have attached and aligned themselves with Republicans. It makes no sense at all.

The greatest irony of all is those that are "pro life" are also generally "pro gun".
 
I don't think anyone does support the far-right. But I also don't think the 'far right' exists in Australia. And it's just a term used to label anyone who is against big government.
Everyone thinks they are more central than they really are, and they shift their idea of the political spectrum to suit that. If you don't think the far-right exists in Australia, there's a decent chance you are far right and think you are centre right. While the far-right is a very small minority in Australia, they definitely exist and have not covered themselves in glory recently.
 
By your standards we would have no police and people would be free to roam around to do whatever they want. There would be no civility in society, just anarchy. Enjoy living in that world, you'll be begging on your hands and knees wishing for the police to save you. You've been called out and now you're having a sook for it.

You don't even know what an aneurism is but you sure as hell know what dumb is since you're posts are prime examples of it. You'll be called out for your posts, even if you have a sook about it.
Complete strawman, I am all for the police to enforce rules and laws that we as a society have agreed - you know general crime. I don't agree with the use of police to enforce authoritarian laws imposed under emergency executive powers that shouldn't exist in the first place.
 
Complete strawman, I am all for the police to enforce rules and laws that we as a society have agreed - you know general crime. I don't agree with the use of police to enforce authoritarian laws imposed under emergency executive powers that shouldn't exist in the first place.
So do you think a couple of thousand people trespassing onto the main arterial connection across the river that splits Melbourne causing hours of delays for all vehicles counts as crime?
 
So do you think a couple of thousand people trespassing onto the main arterial connection across the river that splits Melbourne causing hours of delays for all vehicles counts as crime?
Obviously all protests involve aspects of trespass and misbehaviour that would, absent a political purpose and if done by an individual, constitute a crime. However, i think there is a distinction where it is done for a political purpose. If you are anti-political protest I completely understand, however as long as that protest doesn't dissolve into looting and destruction of innocent business or personal property, i don't see the great down side. But I get it if you are, i would only hope that your position against protests is consistent and applies to ALL protests of any kind.
 
Everyone thinks they are more central than they really are, and they shift their idea of the political spectrum to suit that. If you don't think the far-right exists in Australia, there's a decent chance you are far right and think you are centre right. While the far-right is a very small minority in Australia, they definitely exist and have not covered themselves in glory recently.
This is true, and yes I concede that there are obviously some 'far-right' elements who are legitimate neo-nazis and similar. However I don't think these protests are evidence of that, they appear - based on the footage i've seen, to comprise ordinary every day people who are completely disenfranchised from their autonomy and freedom to earn a living. I wouldn't characterise those people as 'far-right' and suggest that any who do, are either completely absent reality or are so far left that a middle class Australian citizen is 'far-right' to them.
 
Obviously all protests involve aspects of trespass and misbehaviour that would, absent a political purpose and if done by an individual would constitute a crime. However, i think there is a distinction where it is done for a political purpose. If you are anti-political protest I completely understand, however as long as that protest doesn't dissolve into looting and destruction of innocent business or personal property, i don't see the great down side. But I get it if you are, i would only hope that your position against protests is consistent and applies to ALL protests of any kind.
I am fine with protests. I am against illegal protests and riots. This is at best an illegal protest due to the Chief Health Officer's orders regarding public gatherings and it's difficult to even classify it as that as the aim of a protest is to gain empathy from the wider community - and it has clearly done the opposite. The majority of people at it do not represent the people they say they do - they are there for a fight - it's a riot.
 
I am fine with protests. I am against illegal protests and riots. This is at best an illegal protest due to the Chief Health Officer's orders regarding public gatherings and it's difficult to even classify it as that as the aim of a protest is to gain empathy from the wider community - and it has clearly done the opposite. The majority of people at it do not represent the people they say they do - they are there for a fight - it's a riot.
I mean look, you and I differ completely on the interpretation of the legitimacy of the 'Chief Health Officers' orders (a role which either did not exist or had literally never been heard of prior to a year and a half ago) so we're clearly not going to agree here, but that is all the best - happy to virtually shake hands and leave it at that.
 

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I mean look, you and I differ completely on the interpretation of the legitimacy of the 'Chief Health Officers' orders (a role which either did not exist or had literally never been heard of prior to a year and a half ago) so we're clearly not going to agree here, but that is all the best - happy to virtually shake hands and leave it at that.
Of course it hadn't been heard of prior to the pandemic. It is a public emergency unlike anything we have ever experienced and probably never will again. Did you think it would be catered for with normal processes?
 
Obviously all protests involve aspects of trespass and misbehaviour that would, absent a political purpose and if done by an individual, constitute a crime. However, i think there is a distinction where it is done for a political purpose. If you are anti-political protest I completely understand, however as long as that protest doesn't dissolve into looting and destruction of innocent business or personal property, i don't see the great down side. But I get it if you are, i would only hope that your position against protests is consistent and applies to ALL protests of any kind.

You mean something like jumping on the bonnets of people's cars and spitting in the driver's face?
 
They are scum - pure and simple


There is no way known this can be justified.
 
I didn't see this. Do you have a link?

"There were similar scenes in Melbourne yesterday when thousands of protesters marched in the CBD and across the West Gate Bridge, blocking traffic and bringing the city to a standstill.

Several innocent bystanders were trapped in their cars as they were surrounded by crowds of people, with some spat on and cars damaged among the chaos.

Incredible photos captured of yesterday’s chaos show some of those involved in the protests jumping on cars, intimidating trapped drivers with some collecting alcohol mid march."

And now there are reports coming out of them spitting at healthcare workers at vaccination centres. This is not protesting, this is the behaviour of horrid selfish people who have zero respect or empathy.
 
Ahhhh.... the life of a teacher.
Got your left inspired indoctrination lessons prepared yet?
Been in schools and seen the teaching lately have you? The curriculum calls for students to be exposed to both sides of an argument. They are then left to make up their own minds. Doesn't make for indoctrination, makes for critical thinkers. But do tell me how everyone else is wrong and your opinion on everything is right.
 
Don't tie yourself in knots trying to justify that insanity. If you think that's the case then you must be opposed to ALL protests. I hope you said the same thing about BLM last year.
I don’t believe any protests should be happening while there is a lockdown order in place. So the whole idea they are “peacefully” protesting doesn’t matter. They are breaking the law by gathering in groups and protesting whether it is about BLM, the climate or freedom.
 
They are scum - pure and simple


There is no way known this can be justified.
That is appalling.
 

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