Victorian Covid Outbreak 2021

[projectv]

called it last night. Just too predictable.

Isn't any case that hasn't yet been traced to another contact or source a mystery case? As in, a fairly common thing.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

And Warrick Capper has a variant named after him

The world has gone fleeting mad!

I like this new substitute for the other f word. Just like Eddie introduced campaigner into Bigfooty lexicon as a substitute for the c word, credit to Bambi for fleeting

 

[HTT]

called it last night. Just too predictable.

There are no new mystery cases today. 3 cases linked to West Melbourne cluster, one case a close contact of the existing cluster in isolation.

But anything is possible if you don’t bother to listen.

 

[adogsfan5]

There are no new mystery cases today. 3 cases linked to West Melbourne cluster, one case a close contact of the existing cluster in isolation.

But anything is possible if you don’t bother to listen.

You missed the point. Was predicting something new would show up today.

 

[LeverPuller]

There are no new mystery cases today. 3 cases linked to West Melbourne cluster, one case a close contact of the existing cluster in isolation.

But anything is possible if you don’t bother to listen.

Hold on. The West Melbourne cluster is the delta variant, not the kappa. We don’t yet have confirmation on the source of this variant.

I would argue that any Delta cases are mystery until we find the HQ leak.

 

[HTT]

You missed the point. Was predicting something new would show up today.

Well you didn’t, you predicted a mystery case. There are no new mystery cases.
Last night genomic sequencing was returned that showed the West Melbourne cluster was not genomically linked to any other case in Australia. Would you prefer for them to withhold that information?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

But it’s not a new thing. It’s a virus and a pandemic. Stranger to stranger is nothing new and doesn’t need to be mentioned now.

Yes but it used to be 15 minutes face to face with someone, or 2 hours in a crowded room. This beast is not waiting around that long.

This is where the Covidsafe app COULD have been useful, if it picked up who you brushed past.

 

[HPKS]

The delta variant

 

[HTT]

Hold on. The West Melbourne cluster is the delta variant, not the kappa. We don’t yet have confirmation on the source of this variant.

I would argue that any Delta cases are mystery until we find the HQ leak.

The index case of that was already a mystery case. The rest of the cases in that cluster are linked to the index case, they have a known source and are therefore not mystery cases.

 

[projectv]

Well you didn’t, you predicted a mystery case. There are no new mystery cases.
Last night genomic sequencing was returned that showed the West Melbourne cluster was not genomically linked to any other case in Australia. Would you prefer for them to withhold that information?

Unless it materially changes how we are to act in the midst of a lockdown, yes. I understand that it's new information, but what value does it add without sufficient analysis of its impact?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hold on. The West Melbourne cluster is the delta variant, not the kappa. We don’t yet have confirmation on the source of this variant.

I would argue that any Delta cases are mystery until we find the HQ leak.

Speak English, not Greek. Is the kappa the Indian one? What's the delta? I can't keep up.

 

[adogsfan5]

Well you didn’t, you predicted a mystery case. There are no new mystery cases.
Last night genomic sequencing was returned that showed the West Melbourne cluster was not genomically linked to any other case in Australia. Would you prefer for them to withhold that information?

Haha.. let me explain myself then for you sheeple. My point was- something new would show up today (tongue in cheek) so they can save face. I should have given a list of all potential bad news for you. How wrong of me. Where did this new variant come from that we’ve never seen in Australia?

 

[projectv]

Speak English, not Greek. Is the kappa the Indian one? What's the delta? I can't keep up.

The difference between the Indian variant and the regular variant is the Delta variant.

 

[HTT]

Unless it materially changes how we are to act in the midst of a lockdown, yes. I understand that it's new information, but what value does it add without sufficient analysis of its impact?

It’s probably the most important thing to come out of today’s press conference. Prior to that, it seemed pretty safe to assume it was linked somehow to the existing cluster, unlikely there were a bunch of missing links. Now we know it’s an unrelated breach, and it is not even genomically linked to any cases discovered in Australia until now. So we have no idea where it has come from or how long it has been spreading in the community.

 

[HTT]

Haha.. let me explain myself then for you sheeple. My point was- something new would show up today (tongue in cheek) so they can save face. I should have given a list of all potential bad news for you. How wrong of me. Where did this new variant come from that we’ve never seen in Australia?

I don’t know why you even watch the press conferences. You refuse to believe anything said.

 

[The 747]

“we are scared about this outbreak, let’s use big words to scare people into believing this lockdown is required”

How else do you want to explain their magical new words that have now been shut down by numerous epidemiologists ?

Are you arguing that the lockdown is not required?

 

[The 747]

There are now 8 “fleeting transmission” cases after yesterday’s news of the two false positives. Why no mention of these before yesterday? Why today?

Why do you think that is the case?

 

[The 747]

Variant this, variant that. FMD, wake up. "Join the blood clot lotto! It's SAFE".

Meanwhile The Indian BAR Association are serving it to their WHO rep for with holding/suppressing Ivermectin. The data is out, Ivermectin annihilates CV19. At least it's India vs the WHO, more than we can say for our gutless pack of money hungry dog politicians.

What data?

 

[adogsfan5]

I don’t know why you even watch the press conferences. You refuse to believe anything said.

I’ll believe what’s said when they aren’t getting smashed by real experts in the field.

 

[adogsfan5]

Why do you think that is the case?

You tell me. I asked the question.

 

[HTT]

I’ll believe what’s said when they aren’t getting smashed by real experts in the field.

They know more about the cases in Victoria than anybody else...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The difference between the Indian variant and the regular variant is the Delta variant.

Is the regular variant the original Wuhan strain?

 

[The 747]

You tell me. I asked the question.

I have no idea why there was no mention of those things before today, I don't work for the Government.

How about you get to the overall gist of your argument, if 'they' are not telling the truth and 'they' are keeping us locked down then why are 'they' doing this?

 

[Visions]

Why do you think that is the case?

They had to come up with a few more fleeting cases today to counter the false positives out there so as to justify their lockdown extension announcement. That was one of the major reasons for the extension so have needed to find/make up some more along the line somewhere.

 

[projectv]

It’s probably the most important thing to come out of today’s press conference. Prior to that, it seemed pretty safe to assume it was linked somehow to the existing cluster, unlikely there were a bunch of missing links. Now we know it’s an unrelated breach, and it is not even genomically linked to any cases discovered in Australia until now. So we have no idea where it has come from or how long it has been spreading in the community.

I understand and agree. It's absolutely useful information in the broader context.

But if your job is to keep the public in a lock down and doing the right thing, it doesn't help. It just creates more anxiety.