WA Absolulety RORTED!!! Umpires have possibly ruined the spectacle!!

[Marklar_33]

now thats what i call a 3 peat,not the afl assisted salary cap cheaters that were the brisbane lions

It seems you cant win 3 in a row without cheating... maybe thats why its called a dynasty, hmmm

 

[DIG]

And i thought the Indians were sore losers!

GO VICS!!

 

[Catman]

Nice little rewriting of history there to pretend you now understand what was being argued.

A shame you didn't at the time, though .. and chose to accuse me of being ridiculously biased when you clearly misunderstood the point I was making. And then wandered off without bothering to apologise.

I don't need to apologise for anything. You are ridiculously biased and anti-Victorian and couldn't argue any point involving Victoria objectively.

That was my point all along and your collection of posts over the last 24 hours have done nothing to make me think otherwise.

 

[caboose]

I don't need to apologise for anything.

Give us a break.

You came in on a discussion where I'd replied to somebody by showing they were wrong on the basis of statistical fact. You basically chose to single me out as being biased when I was the only one relying on something objective in that discussion to make a point.

Then you didn't even bother to reply when I asked you a couple of perfectly simple questions to try and work out why on earth it was that you were attacking me.

You are ridiculously biased and anti-Victorian and couldn't argue any point involving Victoria objectively.

Uh huh. That's absolutely brilliant coming from someone who apparently hasn't written a single post on this board that hasn't been related to Victoria, and who regularly refers to Victoria as "we" and "us". Maybe my search function isn't working properly. However, what comes up on my screen from you as well is a whole succession of snide one liners about non-Victorian players or posters who don't support Victoria.

Btw, just to ease that chip on your shoulder, I don't mind Victoria. Don't mind the state at all (just as I have no hate of any state), actually. Used to live there for quite a few years. Worked there, have a lot of friends there. I'm so so sorry for responding to a few posts that I thought were incorrect (and just happened to be about Victoria because, shock horror, they've been the team most in the news lately) and needed to be challenged. Or from taking issue with what Crosthwaite did and some of what Berry used to do.

Surprisingly enough, you'll find there are a lot of pro-Victorian posts on the cricket boards and they're not always right in others' opinions. A contrary reply hardly translates to pure disgust at everything Victorian (guys like Siddons, Reiffel, Jones, Maxwell, O'Donnell just as an example were always favourite players of mine and always will be), and it's pretty juvenile to think it would be. Pray tell, why exactly would I support Essendon if I have such a blanket hatred of Victorian sporting teams and everything Victorian anyway?

Maybe "we" should worry about our own history of posting before abusing others on such pathetic and illogical grounds.

 

[Catman]

You came in on a discussion where I'd replied to somebody by showing they were wrong on the basis of statistical fact. You basically chose to single me out as being biased when I was the only one relying on something objective in that discussion to make a point.

Then you didn't even bother to reply when I asked you a couple of perfectly simple questions to try and work out why on earth it was that you were attacking me.

You got all uptight soon as Bailey's contribution was considered lesser to Hussey's. If I jumped to conclusions I apologise, but your steadfast refusal to admit Hussey is inferior to Bailey raised my eye. I'm a passionate Victorian and get a little to protective, if you can call it that, when such comparisons and statements get made that I feel are incorrect.

Uh huh. That's absolutely brilliant coming from someone who apparently hasn't written a single post on this board that hasn't been related to Victoria, and who regularly refers to Victoria as "we" and "us". Maybe my search function isn't working properly. However, what comes up on my screen from you as well is a whole succession of snide one liners about non-Victorian players or posters who don't support Victoria.

I'm biased champ. I'm not afraid to admit it either. Is it wrong of me to use the term "we" or "us"? I support them and as I do for all my sporting sides, I feel a part of the organisation, hence the use of the term. I ask again, is this wrong?

I'd also like to point out that much of the cricket forum is made up of these "snide" one liners, with a sizeable chunk being directed at Victorian players, posters etc. I suppose you don't have a problem with the amount of unfair abuse Brad Hodge has been subject to on these boards for instance. This is just one of many examples which I'm sure you can't find now if you want to have a look.

My replies are born of frustration (in the case of Hodge) of a class cricketer being shown no respect by a bunch of people who probably have very little cricketing ability themselves teeing off behind the safety of their monitors. Yeah, I've been responsible for that exact same thing but if I feel a certain poster has continually held a stance against a player I'll say something. Sometimes it would have been wiser just to say nothing but that's often not me as a person.

Btw, just to ease that chip on your shoulder, I don't mind Victoria. Don't mind the state at all (just as I have no hate of any state), actually. Used to live there for quite a few years. Worked there, have a lot of friends there. I'm so so sorry for responding to a few posts that I thought were incorrect (and just happened to be about Victoria because, shock horror, they've been the team most in the news lately) and needed to be challenged. Or from taking issue with what Crosthwaite did and some of what Berry used to do.

Now you've misinterpreted me. I was talking purely from a cricketing point of view. This is a cricket board after all.

As for the Crosthwaite incident, I'm yet to see a shot when it shows the ball clearly bounced. I changed picture sizes, everything, but it was all inconclusive. Until I see something definitive, I'm steering clear of the entire issue.

Surprisingly enough, you'll find there are a lot of pro-Victorian posts on the cricket boards and they're not always right in others' opinions. A contrary reply hardly translates to pure disgust at everything Victorian (guys like Siddons, Reiffel, Jones, Maxwell, O'Donnell just as an example were always favourite players of mine and always will be)and it's pretty juvenile to think it would be.

That is true, but when you've visited these boards as long as I have you get very cynical towards posters attitudes when you see negative posts abusing your state's players, officials, team etc on a repeated basis.

Pray tell, why exactly would I support Essendon if I have such a blanket hatred of Victorian sporting teams and everything Victorian anyway?

As I said above, I was talking from a cricketing viewpoint. You've clearly assumed I've meant everything Victoria, which is totally incorrect and was not my intention.

 

[LostinScandinavia]

One Word Go The Big V.3 in a row wat a performance no one can get close to them.WA you played crap and was beaten by a better side.And we even beat you on yur home ground. 1 day when u will win something i wont hold my breath though.And yes i live in Wa but im a vic through and through.

Wow, short memory you have. Shall we refresh?

WA, since entering the Sheffield Shield/Pura Cup, has won 6 more titles in the period than Victoria has. We've also won 11 one day domestic titles (the most of any of the states), in comparison with Victoria's 4 titles, sitting in 4th position behind Qld and NSW respectively. This even fails to take into account the number of representatives in the Australian side from WA as opposed to Victoria, which then makes the aforementioned figures even more impressive.

Leaving cricket we can then look at another great source of Victorian pride, AFL. Since our inception, West Coast have won 3 premierships, one more than your beloved North Melbourne. Then there's the issue of the number of premierships won by interstate sides other than West Coast. Adelaide went back-to-back, Brisbane a 3-peat only to be beaten by P. Adelaide in 2004; Sydney in 2005 who then contested the 2006 GF.

Your Victorian pride, based on titles and concrete accomplishments isn't looking too good now is it?

 

[caboose]

You got all uptight soon as Bailey's contribution was considered lesser to Hussey's.

I got uptight? It was the reverse, I thought; it was the people who didn't like the basic facts I presented who were the ones getting upset if anyone was.

Someone made a statement that "David Hussey has performed head and shoulders above any other batsman in this competition". So all anyone had to do to disprove it was to find evidence that one batsman, any batsman, had done vaguely near as well as him. The one that came straight to mind for me was Bailey. So I posted stats indicating not only that Hussey wasn't head and shoulders above him in terms of performance, but Bailey's statistics were actually better than his.

There might well be others who have done equally as well too.

Other BF posters got agitated by those basic, unarguable facts. Not me.

If I jumped to conclusions I apologise, but your steadfast refusal to admit Hussey is inferior to Bailey raised my eye.

Pardon? What steadfast refusal to admit Hussey is inferior to Bailey? Apart from the fact I think you're trying to say "superior" rather than "inferior", I've got no problem with what you're suggesting. To point out the obvious again, someone made a comment about Hussey that was wrong - and I used Bailey's stats to point this out. I don't have any problem saying I think Hussey is a tremendous state cricketer and a better player in Ford Ranger and Pura Cup than Bailey. I honestly don't know what so offends you about hearing that Bailey has been better than him performance-wise so far in T20, though - or why this apparently makes me so anti-Victorian. That Bailey has outperformed him in T20 is a FACT, for Pete's sake. You honestly don't want me to post their respective records again, do you?

Is it wrong of me to use the term "we" or "us"? I support them and as I do for all my sporting sides, I feel a part of the organisation, hence the use of the term. I ask again, is this wrong?

No. But it passes a bit strange, in that context, that you should be having a go at others as being "ridiculously biased and anti-Victorian" and saying they "couldn't argue any point involving Victoria objectively". Maybe you're not exactly best placed to judge?

I suppose you don't have a problem with the amount of unfair abuse Brad Hodge has been subject to on these boards for instance.

To tell you the truth, I don't really care for the arguments about Hodge one way or the other. This is probably why I've never bothered to comment on them on here. He's an outstanding state player, probably technically one of the best batsmen of all at state level over the last decade and a half. However, he has also been suspect under pressure in big matches and hasn't proved yet that he's up to the mark in international cricket. I assume that's basically the nub of the arguments .. in which case I don't really have an issue with either side.

As for the Crosthwaite incident, I'm yet to see a shot when it shows the ball clearly bounced. I changed picture sizes, everything, but it was all inconclusive. Until I see something definitive, I'm steering clear of the entire issue.

It's up to you how you interpret that. I know what I saw - and the absolutely overwhelming majority of the crowd at the WACA clearly saw the same thing I did as well.

As I said above, I was talking from a cricketing viewpoint. You've clearly assumed I've meant everything Victoria, which is totally incorrect and was not my intention.

It was hard not to assume you were talking about all things Victorian, but sorry if that wasn't your intention.

And, to be honest, I think it's probably best if I make this my last post in this series in any case. With all due respect, I've got far better things to do with my time.

 

[eddiesmith]

SO if Bailey was soo good, why did Hussey win player of the series whilst leading his side to a 3rd succesive title?

 

[caboose]

Yawn. Here we go again.

See what I mean, Catman?

 

[eddiesmith]

Yawn. Here we go again.

See what I mean, Catman?

What, you have no backup for your claim?

Obviously unbiased judges agreed that Hussey was easily the star of the tournament

BTW how did Bailey go under pressure in the big game v the Vics? Or with $2mill on the line against the bottom side?

 

[caboose]

What, you have no backup for your claim?

Yeah, absolutely no backup, mate. None. Nada. Zilch. With your unbelievable comprehension skills, you win. Hands down.