Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

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[DapperDon]

Why wouldn’t he? Or are Jews just ridiculously paranoid?

Do you see Turkey as a threat to Israel?

 

[Kurve]

Why wouldn’t he? Or are Jews just ridiculously paranoid?

Netanyahu might be getting a bit paranoid or he's sending off a warning to Erdogan not to get too close to the border south because they're prepared to fight. Erdogan rattles his sabre all the time and goes off at Israel but he's never followed through.

I'm pretty sure Turkey has essentially had control of the oil in Palmyra since ISIS anyway. Turkey's probably just about protecting that.

 

[Zidane98]

More pressure from Palestin allies on Hamas to stand down.

 

[Zidane98]

Egypt has also just declared it will help rebuild Gaza - but only with no Hamas:




One must ask - what is the reason for Hamas holding on to power here? All of Palestine's allies want Hamas out, PA has declared its intent to take over governance of Gaza.

 

[DapperDon]

This is very sad if he has been killed

A director who picked up an Oscar at this month’s Academy Awards has been attacked and is now missing, according to his co-director.
Hamdan Ballal, the Palestinian co-director of the Oscar-winning documentary No Other Land, has been attacked by Israeli settlers and then arrested by soldiers, his co-director Yuval Abraham alleged in a disturbing tweet posted to X today.

“A group of settlers just lynched Hamdan Ballal, co-director of our film No Other Land. They beat him and he has injuries in his head and stomach, bleeding. Soldiers invaded the ambulance he called, and took him. No sign of him since,” Abraham tweeted.

The Israeli military told AP it was “looking into the incident.”

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/no-sign-of-oscarwinning-director-after-attack/news-story/1616d708e46b8b0a0389ac0c65ec4a25

 

[Kurve]

This is very sad if he has been killed

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/no-sign-of-oscarwinning-director-after-attack/news-story/1616d708e46b8b0a0389ac0c65ec4a25

That's horrible.

I clearly remember rationalising when I saw Ballal at the Oscars speech, that he probably couldn't or wouldn't go back and he'd be protected.

 

[faible]

Why wouldn’t he? Or are Jews just ridiculously paranoid?

I suspect most (accused) war criminals are pretty paranoid. On account of the (accused) war crimes.

 

[Chief]

One must ask - what is the reason for Hamas holding on to power here? All of Palestine's allies want Hamas out, PA has declared its intent to take over governance of Gaza.

Who are they defining as "Hamas"?

Nothing will stop Israel from tearing their way through the Palestinian population again.

 

[Zidane98]

Who are they defining as "Hamas"?

Nothing will stop Israel from tearing their way through the Palestinian population again.

Hamas, the government in power in Gaza. They tend to execute civilians who disagree with them or call them out on terrorist activities. All of Palestine's allies plus Palestine Authority itself are calling on them to step down from power and disarm.


The question is why they are refusing to stand aside.

 

[Chief]

Israel seem to think every Palestinian is "Hamas".

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Hamas, the government in power in Gaza. They tend to execute civilians who disagree with them or call them out on terrorist activities. All of Palestine's allies plus Palestine Authority itself are calling on them to step down from power and disarm.


The question is why they are refusing to stand aside.

How many civilians have Hamas killed, compared to how many civilians IDF have killed?

Why can't both sides disarm, stand down etc?

Sounds like you want a different set of rules/laws for each side of the apartheid wall.

 

[Zidane98]

How many civilians have Hamas killed, compared to how many civilians IDF have killed?

Why can't both sides disarm, stand down etc?

Sounds like you want a different set of rules/laws for each side of the apartheid wall.

Sounds like you don't care what Hamas does to its own civilians. They're executing civilians daily there. Pretty much you're turning a blind eye to this because of Israel's actions.

Israel has agreed to deal with PA & Arab league. There is no chance at all of peace with Hamas remaining in charge in Gaza. To not question why they are not standing aside when all Arab league allies have told them to as well as PA would be abandoning civilians who are subjugated by them.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Sounds like you don't care what Hamas does to its own civilians. They're executing civilians daily there. Pretty much you're turning a blind eye to this because of Israel's actions.

Israel has agreed to deal with PA & Arab league. There is no chance at all of peace with Hamas remaining in charge in Gaza. To not question why they are not standing aside when all Arab league allies have told them to as well as PA would be abandoning civilians who are subjugated by them.

Israel broke the ceasefire deal. That's why there's no peace this week.

 

[Zidane98]

Israel broke the ceasefire deal. That's why there's no peace this week.

Hamas refused to hand over any hostages until Israel completely vacated Gaza. The time for a government holding hostages has well and truly passed. If Hamas handed them over and war continued Israel would be to blame.


As it stands Hamas had the choice to continue the existing ceasefire for another 7 weeks but also declined that option.


Hamas have been told to stand down by all Arab league allies and also their own people in the Palestinian Authority.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Hamas refused to hand over any hostages until Israel completely vacated Gaza. The time for a government holding hostages has well and truly passed. If Hamas handed them over and war continued Israel would be to blame.


As it stands Hamas had the choice to continue the existing ceasefire for another 7 weeks but also declined that option.


Hamas have been told to stand down by all Arab league allies and also their own people in the Palestinian Authority.

How many hostages did Israel get back while bombing Gaza?

How many hostages did Israel get back during ceasefires?

Why would Israel resume bombing, when ceasefire and hostage swap is obviously the more effective approach?

Seems like hostage safety isn't a concern for Israel. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hundreds join protest against Hamas in northern Gaza

Demonstrators shout ‘Hamas out’ and carry banners saying ‘we want to live in peace’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Zidane98]

How many hostages did Israel get back while bombing Gaza?

How many hostages did Israel get back during ceasefires?

Why would Israel resume bombing, when ceasefire and hostage swap is obviously the more effective approach?

Seems like hostage safety isn't a concern for Israel. Wouldn't you agree?

Hamas literally refused to hand over any further hostages and also refused a further ceasefire.

You seem to believe Hamas holding on to hostages is a valid tactic.

 

[faible]

Hamas literally refused to hand over any further hostages and also refused a further ceasefire.

You seem to believe Hamas holding on to hostages is a valid tactic.

Hamas wanted Israel to adhere to the original agreement and proceed to phase 2.

Israel cut off food and power to millions of people, then resumed bombing.

 

[faible]

<insert required condemnation of Hamas>

 

[Zidane98]

Hamas wanted Israel to adhere to the original agreement and proceed to phase 2.

Israel cut off food and power to millions of people, then resumed bombing.

That required the handover of all remaining hostages. Israel to vacate Gaza after all remaining hostages returned.

Hamas refused point blank to return any further hostages.

Hamas also refused to continue the existing ceasefire.

It's been 18 months now and we have a state actor holding hostages kidnapped during a terror attack as collateral. Seems there are plenty that believe in the validity of this tactic.

 

[Zidane98]

I do note many of the apparent Hamas sympathisers in this thread can offer no explanation to why Hamas shouldn't stand down considering all Arab league allies have demanded they do and the majority political party in Palestine itself also demanding the same.

It's usually ***** insert Israel whataboutisms ****
instead.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I do note many of the apparent Hamas sympathisers in this thread can offer no explanation to why Hamas shouldn't stand down considering all Arab league allies have demanded they do and the majority political party in Palestine itself also demanding the same.

It's usually ***** insert Israel whataboutisms ****
instead.

It must present a dilemma for Hamas supporters when Palestinians have given up supporting them and are demanding that they return the hostages. Will they now march the streets calling for the end of Hamas rule, in Palestinian support?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I do note many of the apparent Hamas sympathisers in this thread can offer no explanation to why Hamas shouldn't stand down considering all Arab league allies have demanded they do and the majority political party in Palestine itself also demanding the same.

It's usually ***** insert Israel whataboutisms ****
instead.

Both sides should stand down.

That's the basic premise of a ceasefire. Not sure how that is so confusing for you.

 

[Kurve]

I do note many of the apparent Hamas sympathisers in this thread can offer no explanation to why Hamas shouldn't stand down considering all Arab league allies have demanded they do and the majority political party in Palestine itself also demanding the same.

It's usually ***** insert Israel whataboutisms ****
instead.

TBF the majority of posters in this thread have been quite careful not to express sympathies for Hamas.

 

[faible]

That required the handover of all remaining hostages. Israel to vacate Gaza after all remaining hostages returned.

Hamas refused point blank to return any further hostages.

Hamas also refused to continue the existing ceasefire.

It's been 18 months now and we have a state actor holding hostages kidnapped during a terror attack as collateral. Seems there are plenty that believe in the validity of this tactic.

Israeli leadership flagged for quite some they had no intention of progressing to phase 2. They blocked aid, they turned off the power, they bombed civilians.

They did not progress to phase 2.

Israel are not the good guys.