Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

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[Dogs_R_Us]

Gaza Now on Telegram has a graphic video of it if you really need a source.

I have seen it, someone posted it on Facebook

 

[Zidane98]

From Hamas website:



Bit of free marketing for Toyota here!.


Does this mean Japan are guilty of supplying a genocidal terror group?

 

[Kurve]

These people must be exhausted. Link to livestream from Al Rasheed Road that's opened but for foot traffic only.

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[Lunchlady Doris]

Agreed with that. Only Israel allowed aid in.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Sure, they let enough in for plausible deniability, and for their supporters to claim they were doing the right thing, while people subsisted on pet food, thousands of children underwent surgery without anaesthesia and babies froze in tents on the beach.

Probably because they had a war to run, disagreed with the warrants and were demonstrably allowing aid in.

Compare this with actual genocide and starvation examples like Darfur, Cambodia and Nazi Concentration Camps.

Ignorance is not a defence.

 

[Kurve]

Ali Abunimah was deported from Switzerland.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Ali Abunimah was deported from Switzerland.

Criminalisation of Palestinian advocacy in Europe.

 

[Kurve]

Criminalisation of Palestinian advocacy in Europe.

Australia's put bans on several people over the years.

More recently, one of Israel's former minister's Ayelet Shaked and Candace Owens the latest.

 

[FIGJAM]

The two are not mutually exclusive. Sure, they let enough in for plausible deniability, and for their supporters to claim they were doing the right thing, while people subsisted on pet food, thousands of children underwent surgery without anaesthesia and babies froze in tents on the beach.

It was (and still is!) a terrible chain of events.

It must be said though, there is a sort of 'plausible deniability' from accountability in Gaza. Hamas are 'terrorists' and are separate from Gazans / Palestinians when being held responsible for the war crimes October 7 and holding hostages, and yet they're 'resistance' or 'freedom fighters' when it suits other arguments and thereby are affiliated with the Gazans (who celebrated October 7 like it was 1999!).

 

[Jazny]

Criminalisation of Palestinian advocacy in Europe.

Palestinian advocacy is fine, Hamas advocacy like the Electronic Intapropaganda should be criminalized. Well done, Switzerland!

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Palestinian advocacy is fine, Hamas advocacy like the Electric Intapropaganda should be criminalized. Well done, Switzerland!

Pls provide links.

What a ridiculous fascist society you advocate for.

 

[Jazny]

Pls provide links.

Why the West is wrong about Hamas

By demonizing the resistance movement, Israel is trying to hide the reality that Palestinians are waging a just struggle.

electronicintifada.net

Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh will strengthen resistance resolve

Israel aims to "burn the entire region" after failing in Gaza, Hamas' Khalil al-Hayya says.

electronicintifada.net

What about Hamas?

Why the resistance doesn't give up its arms.

electronicintifada.net

Day 468: How Gaza's resistance defeated Israel

We speak to Ahmed Alnaouq whose family was murderedin the genocide, and Shir Hever, who is hopeful about a military embargo.

electronicintifada.net

Debunking "Screams Before Silence," Sheryl Sandberg's 7 Oct. "mass rape" film

Despite being full of provable lies, the so-called documentary is receiving uncritical media coverage.

electronicintifada.net

Israeli "commission" on 7 October rape claims exposed as fraud

New York Times debunks its own reporting of alleged sexual violence by Hamas.

electronicintifada.net

Yahya Sinwar wrote his own story

Resistance leader understood the path he was on, and never backed down from fighting for his people's liberation.

electronicintifada.net

How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October

One year on, the evidence is overwhelming.

electronicintifada.net

I wonder where you get your news from.

 

[Jazny]

What a ridiculous fascist society you advocate for.

Switzerland is a ridiculous fascist society What's that make Hamas? Electronic Propaganda can take their Hamas whitewashing, atrocity denial terrorist sympathies elsewhere. Enjoy your ban, Ali Abunimah.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Why the West is wrong about Hamas

By demonizing the resistance movement, Israel is trying to hide the reality that Palestinians are waging a just struggle.

electronicintifada.net

Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh will strengthen resistance resolve

Israel aims to "burn the entire region" after failing in Gaza, Hamas' Khalil al-Hayya says.

electronicintifada.net

What about Hamas?

Why the resistance doesn't give up its arms.

electronicintifada.net

Day 468: How Gaza's resistance defeated Israel

We speak to Ahmed Alnaouq whose family was murderedin the genocide, and Shir Hever, who is hopeful about a military embargo.

electronicintifada.net

Debunking "Screams Before Silence," Sheryl Sandberg's 7 Oct. "mass rape" film

Despite being full of provable lies, the so-called documentary is receiving uncritical media coverage.

electronicintifada.net

Israeli "commission" on 7 October rape claims exposed as fraud

New York Times debunks its own reporting of alleged sexual violence by Hamas.

electronicintifada.net

Yahya Sinwar wrote his own story

Resistance leader understood the path he was on, and never backed down from fighting for his people's liberation.

electronicintifada.net

How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October

One year on, the evidence is overwhelming.

electronicintifada.net

I wonder where you get your news from.

I've not read anything from there, thanks for the info.

Nothing that controversial there.

Switzerland is a ridiculous fascist society What's that make Hamas? Electronic Propaganda can take their Hamas whitewashing, atrocity denial terrorist sympathies elsewhere. Enjoy your ban, Ali Abunimah.

The Swiss couldn't come up with anything to charge the guy for, despite 3 days detention and the full weight of the Swiss government behind their efforts.

You can ban anyone you like from your country I guess, clearly they didn't want him to speak at the event he'd been invited to.

When the thought police start arresting people because they don't like their ideas, you're on a slippery slope. And people wonder why there's a trope about control.

 

[Jazny]

Nothing that controversial there.

Maybe not in the tankie echo chambers you are in, but the rest of the world are not interested in pro-Hamas denial and terror whitewashing. You have to already be radicalized to not see that propaganda as controversial.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Maybe not in the tankie echo chambers you are in, but the rest of the world are not interested in pro-Hamas denial and terror whitewashing. You have to already be radicalized to not see that propaganda as controversial.

I haven't read the articles in question of course, only the headlines, so hard to really know.

Shall we take a closer look at one and see if you can argue successfully against it, because your record in this thread is pretty poor.

Not sure what a tankie is, but the only thing I deny is an organised widespread campaign of sexual assault on Oct 7, but I think most have come around to this perspective anyway.

Not only is there no evidence, there's no victims. Wouldn't even call it denial at this point.

 

[DapperDon]

If the guy was inciting any sort of hate or talking up any sort of heroics from Hamas then Swiss well within their right to deport him.

We'd do the same and we have as Kurve noted above.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It was (and still is!) a terrible chain of events.

Yes, terrible. Oh well!

It must be said though, there is a sort of 'plausible deniability' from accountability in Gaza. Hamas are 'terrorists' and are separate from Gazans / Palestinians when being held responsible for the war crimes October 7 and holding hostages, and yet they're 'resistance' or 'freedom fighters' when it suits other arguments and thereby are affiliated with the Gazans (who celebrated October 7 like it was 1999!).

What a strange notion.

Is this a 'they deserve it' without saying it?

 

[Kurve]

Here, Hind Khoudary who writes for the Electronic Intifada was accused of supplying Hamas with the names of peace activists in Gaza who'd held a Zoom meeting with Israeli peace activists. The Gazan peace activists were subsequently arrested by Hamas "for engaging in normalization activity with the Israeli occupation via the internet" and accused of treason.

Khoudary had also worked for Amnesty, who denounced her posts in opposition to peace activists and where she tagged in Hamas leaders over facebook, letting them know who was at this zoom meeting.

Rami Aman, a journalist and leader of the group was held by Hamas for three months and tortured.

Palestinian journalist: I wasn't the reason Hamas arrested peace activist

Amnesty International’s Israel office denounced her remarks and clarified that Khoudary has worked for them on a free-lance basis solely during the month of March 2019.

www.jpost.com

Of course she denies it but the evidence is there.

 

[faible]

From Hamas website:

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Bit of free marketing for Toyota here!.


Does this mean Japan are guilty of supplying a genocidal terror group?

Yep, lock the Japanese emperor up.

Also, why are people so incapable of providing a URL to things?

You can link endless tweets.

 

[DapperDon]

Here, Hind Khoudary who writes for the Electronic Intifada was accused of supplying Hamas with the names of peace activists in Gaza who'd held a Zoom meeting with Israeli peace activists. The Gazan peace activists were subsequently arrested by Hamas "for engaging in normalization activity with the Israeli occupation via the internet" and accused of treason.

Khoudary had also worked for Amnesty, who denounced her posts that were in opposition to peace activists and where she tagged in Hamas leaders over facebook, letting them know who was at this zoom meeting.

Rami Aman, a journalist and leader of the group was held by Hamas for three months and tortured.

Palestinian journalist: I wasn't the reason Hamas arrested peace activist

Amnesty International’s Israel office denounced her remarks and clarified that Khoudary has worked for them on a free-lance basis solely during the month of March 2019.

www.jpost.com

Of course she denies it but the evidence is there.

Unsure why she felt the need to tag Hamas officials, not a great look for her innocence.

 

[Jazny]

Shall we take a closer look at one and see if you can argue successfully against it, because your record in this thread is pretty poor.

You have zero self awareness. If I posted 1% of the nonsense you do I'd retire from the internet in shame. Ashkenazi Jews stealing babies, Hannibal meant deliberately shot Israeli civilians, your embarrassing Ryan Grimm attempted take down of the NYT Screams without Words article, IDF moved Nova so Hamas would kill ravers, the General's Plan meant Jabalia would all starve, UNGA 37/43 permits terrorism, Israeli IDF hostages are just legal PoWs, linking reports without understanding methodology... I could go on, its just some of the endless nonsense I have had to respond to.

 

[FIGJAM]

Oh well!

If this is the sentiment that you are reading into my post, then what are you reading into everyone else's commentary on the tragic chain of events?

Is this a 'they deserve it' without saying it?

Nope! You brought up 'plausible deniability' and I was just highlighting the convenience of narrative in the scheme of the greater issues that concern that area.

 

[faible]

Nope! You brought up 'plausible deniability' and I was just highlighting the convenience of narrative in the scheme of the greater issues that concern that area.

More likely it represents two different views from different parties.

There's ~ 2.2 million people living in Gaza, I suspect they don't all think the same things. The vast majority are not Hamas militants though.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If this is the sentiment that you are reading into my post, then what are you reading into everyone else's commentary on the tragic chain of events?

I read this part of your post as an acknowledgement that Israel had prevented aid from reaching Gazans, just as Israel's leaders had said it would, but you're happy to shrug your shoulders and say 'that's war'. You certainly wouldn't be on your own there.

Nope! You brought up 'plausible deniability' and I was just highlighting the convenience of narrative in the scheme of the greater issues that concern that area.

This part is not making a whole lot of sense to me.

Palestinians do have the right to resist their occupation and strive for self-determination, and through military means if necessary.

You're saying those Palestinians who view Hamas as a resistance movement forfeit their protections under IHL?