Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas - Hezbollah - Houthis

[Jazny]

Nonsense. I hold both sides to the same standard. Looking at the data, Israel are measurably worse. Israel have committed more war crimes than Hamas and Hezbollah combined, so I condemn them more.

How are you measuring this?

 

[faible]

No, Islamists - Hamas and Hezbollah and many others - have it as their core aim, which is to rid the Middle East of Jews and eradicate Israel. Christians won’t be safe either, if the terrorists get their way with Israel.

But anti-semitism in the tolerant West is a real thing. What do you think anti-semitism is? If you don’t know history, well, you’ve seen it in Australia recently. Do you agree with identifying and vilifying anyone who wears a kippah or a Star of David, or has a Jewish-sounding name, attends a Jewish school, or supports Israel? What about holocaust denying, or “liking” tropes about tentacles, or blood libel, or eating children? Vandalising or boycotting Jewish businesses? Do you call people Zionists, in the mistaken belief that’s not anti-semitic?

It’s not just being pro-Palestine. Anti-semitism has resurfaced, rekindled under the influence of the Marxist ideology of the left, critical race theory which is taught so well in our universities.

Appreciate you actually attempting to write a decent reply, but you should probably read beyond The Australian for your geopolitical views.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How are you measuring this?

Civilian death toll, years of illegal occupation and apartheid, percentage of cross border attacks, amount of UN condemnatory resolutions etc etc.

I don’t measure your MSM or IDF sources, but if I did I would count the lies.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Just another day of Israel Dictatorship in The West Bank

More heinous war crimes. No military reason to tear up the roads of Palestinian cities.

This is pure ethnic cleansing, not even shy about it.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

"Israel has held the Shebaa Farms, a 15-square-mile (39-square-km) patch of land, since 1967"

It's not really Lebanon, it's disputed territory that Israel holds and has held for almost 60 years.

They were attacking Israeli positions on October 8th. There is no justification for this attack.

Right - so more illegal occupied territory, and as we already know, violent resistance to illegal military occupation is perfectly valid.

Again - the 60 years doesn't help your argument, it actually shows that non-violent means have failed.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Nobody can honestly defend Hezbollah launching mass rocket attacks against Israel from Oct 8 onwards without being outright pro Hezbollah / war.

Sounds like Hezbollah attacked positions and forces maintaining an illegal military occupation? Israel even call it annexation.

It's also a war crime and a clear violation of UNSC 1701 (passed by the UNSC) which demands all non state actors remove military equipment south of the Litani river in the Israel-Lebanon border following the 2006 war.

Of note:

As of February 2009, many key points in the resolution remained insufficiently addressed. In a special report, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon mentions that "Hezbollah continues to refuse to provide any information on the release or fate of abducted soldiers, and places conditions and demands for the release that are far outside the scope of resolution 1701," Ban wrote in the report.[46] The report also points out that Hezbollah has replenished its stock of rockets and missiles in South Lebanon, and is now in possession of 10,000 long-range rockets and 20,000 short-range projectiles.[46] The latest Israeli estimate of Hezbollah's rocket stockpile puts it at approx. 150,000.[47]

This was back in 2009 and one can only presume Hezbollah have only become much better armed since then as Iran can easily supply it directly or via Syria.

Diplomacy was also tried by both the legitimate Lebanese government and Israel governments after the Oct 8 attacks:


After the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other militant groups in southern Lebanon routinely fired rockets at Israeli cities and fired on IDF positions on the Israel-Lebanon border. On 21 November 2023, Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen warned the UNSC that a regional war was likely if UNSCR 1701 was not fully implemented.[40] On 8 January 2024, Lebanese Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib called for a diplomatic solution to the Israel-Hezbollah conflict through "full implementation" of the resolution.[43]

You care about the UN now? How many UNSC resolutions are Israel currently contravening?

Resolution 497, passed on 17 December 1981, demands that Israel reverse its annexation of the Golan Heights, which were captured from Syria in June 1967.

UNSC Resolutions for thee, but not for me.

Hilarious.

 

[Zidane98]

Sounds like Hezbollah attacked positions and forces maintaining an illegal military occupation? Israel even call it annexation.



You care about the UN now? How many UNSC resolutions are Israel currently contravening?

Resolution 497, passed on 17 December 1981, demands that Israel reverse its annexation of the Golan Heights, which were captured from Syria in June 1967.

UNSC Resolutions for thee, but not for me.

Hilarious.

None of this changes the fact that Hezbollah's attacks on Israeli & Palestinian civilians were absolutely unjustified and that both Israel & the legitimate government of Lebanon both attempted diplomatic means to stop a potential war breaking out with Hezbollah.

Sounds like once again you're defending clear war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of IRL & IHRL by Hezbollah.

 

[faible]

None of this changes the fact that Hezbollah's attacks on Israeli & Palestinian civilians were absolutely unjustified and that both Israel & the legitimate government of Lebanon both attempted diplomatic means to stop a potential war breaking out with Hezbollah.

Sounds like once again you're defending clear war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of IRL & IHRL by Hezbollah.

Mate you’ve spent months justifying and diminishing Israel’s slaughter. You put on a veneer of criticism, but it’s only surface level. Before accusing anyone of anything, you should probably look in the mirror.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

None of this changes the fact that Hezbollah's attacks on Israeli & Palestinian civilians were absolutely unjustified and that both Israel & the legitimate government of Lebanon both attempted diplomatic means to stop a potential war breaking out with Hezbollah.

Sounds like once again you're defending clear war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of IRL & IHRL by Hezbollah.

None of this changes the fact that in Australia there are 48 million Kangaroos and in Uruguay there are 3,457,380 inhabitants. So if the Kangaroos decide to invade Uruguay, each Uruguayan will have to fight 14 kangaroos.​

 

[HairyO]

How are you measuring this?

Hatred of Jews.

Hamas slaughtered over 1,000 people at a peace concert. Israel targets terrorists who have no issue using women and children as shields.

There is no other way to stop Hamas and Hezbollah than what Israel is doing.

The only other choice is letting the terrorists win which is what many want because that means the end of Israel.

 

[HairyO]

Right - so more illegal occupied territory, and as we already know, violent resistance to illegal military occupation is perfectly valid.

Again - the 60 years doesn't help your argument, it actually shows that non-violent means have failed.

Why does Israel occupy that territory?

Since the 1940s their neighbours have invaded and attempted to invade because they want to destroy Israel. So Israel fought back and retained land as a buffer against the next invasion. Amd the next invasion. And the next invasion.

It must hurt you that Israel keeps defeating their aggressive neighbours.

Imagine the Middle East without Israel. Wonderful peace and love and harmony for all.

Except women, gays, children who want an education, people who want to vote for their government of choice, etc. Etc. Etc.

 

[DapperDon]

Why does Israel occupy that territory?

Since the 1940s their neighbours have invaded and attempted to invade because they want to destroy Israel. So Israel fought back and retained land as a buffer against the next invasion. Amd the next invasion. And the next invasion.

It must hurt you that Israel keeps defeating their aggressive neighbours.

Imagine the Middle East without Israel. Wonderful peace and love and harmony for all.

Except women, gays, children who want an education, people who want to vote for their government of choice, etc. Etc. Etc.

wtf?

 

[Zidane98]

None of this changes the fact that in Australia there are 48 million Kangaroos and in Uruguay there are 3,457,380 inhabitants. So if the Kangaroos decide to invade Uruguay, each Uruguayan will have to fight 14 kangaroos.​

You're losing the plot.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Why does Israel occupy that territory?

Since the 1940s their neighbours have invaded and attempted to invade because they want to destroy Israel. So Israel fought back and retained land as a buffer against the next invasion. Amd the next invasion. And the next invasion.

Wow, exactly how many times have Lebanon invaded Israel? Easy to see you have a brilliant grasp of the history, please explain.

It must hurt you that Israel keeps defeating their aggressive neighbours.

It's mainly the endless atrocities and war crimes that I object to actually.

Imagine the Middle East without Israel. Wonderful peace and love and harmony for all.

Except women, gays, children who want an education, people who want to vote for their government of choice, etc. Etc. Etc.

There are many great things about Israeli culture, there is no doubt. Unfortunately that's outweighed by the apartheid and supremacy stuff.

 

[faible]

Hatred of Jews.

Hamas slaughtered over 1,000 people at a peace concert. Israel targets terrorists who have no issue using women and children as shields.

There is no other way to stop Hamas and Hezbollah than what Israel is doing.

The only other choice is letting the terrorists win which is what many want because that means the end of Israel.

So to confirm;

The choice is between the ‘terrorists winning’ or the IDF committing genocide?

 

[Zidane98]

So to confirm;

The choice is between the ‘terrorists winning’ or the IDF committing genocide?

No actual criticism here of the large scale genocidal slaughter of people for simply being a citizen of Israel (Oct 7 cannot be portrayed as a legitimate resistance to occupation) says what you're all about.

 

[faible]

No actual criticism here of the large scale genocidal slaughter of people for simply being a citizen of Israel (Oct 7 cannot be portrayed as a legitimate resistance to occupation) says what you're all about.

‘Terrorists’ is pretty suggestive as to what I think of them.

Also ‘large scale genocidal slaughter’ is an interesting term to apply to Hamas or Hezbollah but not Israel who’s demonstrably killed significantly more civilians, in an extremely deliberate fashion, along with having destroyed almost the entirety of civilian infrastructure compatible with the existence of civilian life in Gaza.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

No actual criticism here of the large scale genocidal slaughter of people for simply being a citizen of Israel (Oct 7 cannot be portrayed as a legitimate resistance to occupation) says what you're all about.

You're the person who always goes on about justifying stuff, yeah?

 

[faible]

Also yes yes I know. But Hamas. But Hezbollah.

No nation state has ever been less responsible for their own actions than Israel apparently.

 

[Zidane98]

‘Terrorists’ is pretty suggestive as to what I think of them.

I seem to remember someone calling IDF a terrorist organisation just recently. Can't for life of me remember who it was - do you?


In summary you're happy to dismiss what Hezbollah & Hamas are because well they're just a bunch of terrorists. Considering this you surely couldn't have been the person who was labelling IDF as a terrorist organisation because you'd also be dismissing their actions as "just a terrorist organization"

Also ‘large scale genocidal slaughter’ is an interesting term to apply to Hamas or Hezbollah

Quoted from a report by IAGS nonetheless. But let's not let facts get in the way of your stories.

but not Israel who’s demonstrably killed significantly more civilians, in an extremely deliberate fashion, along with having destroyed almost the entirety of civilian infrastructure compatible with the existence of civilian life in Gaza.

The amount of civilians Hezbollah & Hamas have attempted to murder is many times magnitude greater than the inverse. And there can be no doubt that Hamas started this current war. So what you're saying here is IDF are bad because they actually go to the efforts of protecting Israeli civilians where your mob does the exact opposite.

This would explain why you're so dismissive of events in Gaza where Hamas have murdered Palestinian civilians in large scale massacres.

You try to hide your rhetoric but really everyone can see right through it.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Quoted from a report by IAGS nonetheless. But let's not let facts get in the way of your stories.

Oh lord.

 

[Jazny]

Civilian death toll, years of illegal occupation and apartheid, percentage of cross border attacks, amount of UN condemnatory resolutions etc etc.

You measure war crimes by things that aren't necessarily war crimes and some things that make no sense to even talk about in terms of war crimes?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You measure war crimes by things that aren't necessarily war crimes and some things that make no sense to even talk about in terms of war crimes?

War crimes form part of the measurement.

 

[DapperDon]

No actual criticism here of the large scale genocidal slaughter of people for simply being a citizen of Israel (Oct 7 cannot be portrayed as a legitimate resistance to occupation) says what you're all about.

Why do you hate Arabs and why do you feel Israel have more of a right to protect themselves than their Arab neighbours?

 

[Jazny]

Right - so more illegal occupied territory, and as we already know, violent resistance to illegal military occupation is perfectly valid.

There is no way in which Hezbollah attacks against Israel could be argued formed part of any kind of legal violent resistance, the UN doesn't even recognize Shebaa Farms as Lebanese territory. The attacks breach the binding UN security resolution 1701. What argument can you make that Hezbollah was legally attacking Israel on October 8th and since?