Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[faible]

If the suggestion here is air strikes were conducted with 100% intent to murder civilians and there was 100% no Hamas military targets in the area than that would absolutely be a case of outright murder.

What about if there might, maybe, possibly have been a Hamas target in the area. But they weren't sure. And they still aren't sure, but perhaps they were wrong. But they did definitely bomb a <insert one of kindergarten, school, hospital, ambulance, residential house, refugee camp etc.. etc..>.

 

[Zidane98]

What about if there might, maybe, possibly have been a Hamas target in the area. But they weren't sure. And they still aren't sure, but perhaps they were wrong. But they did definitely bomb a <insert one of kindergarten, school, hospital, ambulance, residential house, refugee camp etc.. etc..>.

I'm not talking about whataboutisms here. If there's absolutely no military operations and the only intent of an air strike is to kill civilians in the area it's outright murder / extermination and a war crime.

 

[faible]

I'm not talking about whataboutisms here. If there's absolutely no military operations and the only intent of an air strike is to kill civilians in the area it's outright murder / extermination and a war crime.

using the words 'what' and 'about' doesn't make something a whataboutism.

As for the war crime part, I'll refer you to the report:

Legal Findings:

84. The Commission found that the chapeau elements of crimes against humanity have been fulfilled, namely a widespread or systematic attack directed against the civilian population in Gaza. The Commission found that the crimes against humanity of extermination; murder; gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys; forcible transfer; and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment were committed.

Further Background:

44. Given information suggesting relatively low numbers of Hamas militants in proportion to the wider civilian population, and given Israel’s repeated assertion that militants are ‘embedded’ within the civilian population, the Commission considers these statements indicate that the Israeli Government has given ISF blanket authorisation to target civilian locations widely and indiscriminately in the Gaza Strip.

45. The Commission investigated several large-scale attacks on civilian targets in the Gaza Strip which are indicative of the use of this doctrine and documented tens of other attacks, including on aid organizations, convoys and refuge sites. In many of these cases, the Commission could not identify military targets as the focus of the attacks. Even when military targets were allegedly present, attacks lacked distinction, proportionality and precautions, resulting in thousands killed and injured and widespread destruction of entire neighborhoods including in Jabalia, Al-Rimal, Al-Yarmouk and Al-Maghazi.

46. The Commission considers that this and other incidents clearly indicate the permissive practice of shooting to kill without first ascertaining who the targets are and whether they pose a threat.

Note: In no way does this exonerate Hamas or other Palestinian insurgency groups from the war crimes and violations of IHL and IHRL that they have committed.

 

[ZEV]

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Maybe Zev can translate for us?

'In Gaza, everyone is a terrorist (Iceman, interrogate me)'

**** that guy

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

'In Gaza, everyone is a terrorist (Iceman, interrogate me)'

**** that guy

Thankyou

 

[Kurve]

It was systemic. What steps did Hamas take to prevent it? What actions are they taking to punish perpetrators? What systems are they putting in place to prevent further occurances? None, they are just denying and running cover while there is evidence of more sexual assaults occurring to the hostages they hold.

I think you mean you're not convinced it was an order from the top, which I probably agree with. But it was systemic.

I meant 'systematic' actually.

 

[sydney_gws]

Maybe new UK PM can help. He is a member of friends of palestine group, and friends of Israel.
Or perhaps not, he was more important things to focus on, his own people.

 

[Zidane98]

This will embolden further war crimes by Hamas - introducing Iran's new presidents.

 

[Jazny]

I meant 'systematic' actually.

I agree with that. Not that I would think the Hamas leaders would care, just that I dont think it was part of the plan.

 

[jason_recliner]

Gaza school hit in deadly Israeli strike as ceasefire talks continue​

At least 16 people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school sheltering displaced Palestinian families in central Gaza, the Palestinian health ministry says.

The attack came after Hamas said it had accepted a US proposal to begin talks on releasing Israeli hostages.

The Israeli military says it's looking into the incident.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/gaza-school-hit-in-deadly-israeli-strike/104068298

 

[Zidane98]

Over 11% of Hamas rockets launched at Israel have murdered Gazan civilians. So 2000+ failed rockets landing in Gazan civilian areas.



We've seen the devastation one failed rocket caused outside a hospital. And the only reason we knew about that one was because Al-Jazeera streamed it live by mistake.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Gaza school hit in deadly Israeli strike as ceasefire talks continue​

At least 16 people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school sheltering displaced Palestinian families in central Gaza, the Palestinian health ministry says.

The attack came after Hamas said it had accepted a US proposal to begin talks on releasing Israeli hostages.

The Israeli military says it's looking into the incident.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/gaza-school-hit-in-deadly-israeli-strike/104068298

Of the 16 people killed, how many were Hamas militants?

 

[Zidane98]

Hopefully an ICC team can still arrange a trip into Gaza to help them prosecute alleged war crimes.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Of the 16 people killed, how many were Hamas militants?

They were probably thinking about joining Hamas anyway.

It's OK, I heard the IDF is investigating. No doubt they were Hamas, or Hamas did itt hemselves, or it was an accident, or did you hear about Oct 7 and the hostages?

 

[jason_recliner]

Of the 16 people killed, how many were Hamas militants?

Don't worry, the IDF is looking into it.

 

[DapperDon]

Of the 16 people killed, how many were Hamas militants?

It's not your family, so who cares am I right?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Over 11% of Hamas rockets launched at Israel have murdered Gazan civilians. So 2000+ failed rockets landing in Gazan civilian areas.



We've seen the devastation one failed rocket caused outside a hospital. And the only reason we knew about that one was because Al-Jazeera streamed it live by mistake.

All of the numbers here are ridiculously made up.

There was no conclusive finding of the al-Ahli explosion - the Al Jazeera video was of a projectile fired from Israel, and fell in Israel.

You are sharing a lot of misinfo here.

New AP analysis of last month's deadly Gaza hospital explosion rules out widely cited video

The Associated Press is publishing an updated visual analysis of the deadly Oct. 17 explosion at Gaza’s Al-Ahli Hospital.

apnews.com

A misfired rocket was decided to be 'the most likely scenarion' - this was back when no one believed Israel would strike a hospital. 4 days before the strike Israel ordered all northern hospitals to be evacuated. Since then they have destoryed 21 hospitals and damaged 13 others - there are no hospitals still fucntioning in northern Gaza.

Forensic Architecture

forensic-architecture.org

 

[Jazny]

There was no conclusive finding of the al-Ahli explosion - the Al Jazeera video was of a projectile fired from Israel, and fell in Israel.

Almost certainly wasn't an Israeli airstrike and was overwhelmingly determined to be more consistent with a Palestinian rocket by every investigation I have read. The highest casualty count of any single explosion in the war if the Hamas ministry of health are to be believed... Imagine if Hamas were not a bunch of terrorist idiots.

 

[Zidane98]

All of the numbers here are ridiculously made up.

There was no conclusive finding of the al-Ahli explosion - the Al Jazeera video was of a projectile fired from Israel, and fell in Israel.

You are sharing a lot of misinfo here.

New AP analysis of last month's deadly Gaza hospital explosion rules out widely cited video

The Associated Press is publishing an updated visual analysis of the deadly Oct. 17 explosion at Gaza’s Al-Ahli Hospital.

apnews.com

A misfired rocket was decided to be 'the most likely scenarion' - this was back when no one believed Israel would strike a hospital. 4 days before the strike Israel ordered all northern hospitals to be evacuated. Since then they have destoryed 21 hospitals and damaged 13 others - there are no hospitals still fucntioning in northern Gaza.

Forensic Architecture

forensic-architecture.org

The Al Ahli massacre was just one of 2000 plus rockets that struck in Gaza - fired by Hamas/PIJ. You might want to take a look at the internal PIJ / Hamas documents. The gist is pretty much who cares if we murder some Gazans - we will just attribute blame to Israel.

The only reason this one is so well known is that Al-Jazeera filmed it and initially the Gazan health ministry claimed 1000 to be killed plus the hospital was levelled.

This rhetoric changed when it became obvious beyond reasonable doubt that Israel wasn't behind the massacre. But as I said that was 1 out of 2000 plus such strikes.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The Al Ahli massacre was just one of 2000 plus rockets that struck in Gaza - fired by Hamas/PIJ. You might want to take a look at the internal PIJ / Hamas documents. The gist is pretty much who cares if we murder some Gazans - we will just attribute blame to Israel.

The only reason this one is so well known is that Al-Jazeera filmed it and initially the Gazan health ministry claimed 1000 to be killed plus the hospital was levelled.

This rhetoric changed when it became obvious beyond reasonable doubt that Israel wasn't behind the massacre. But as I said that was 1 out of 2000 plus such strikes.

Go back and read my post again - it clearly didnt' sink in.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Almost certainly wasn't an Israeli airstrike and was overwhelmingly determined to be more consistent with a Palestinian rocket by every investigation I have read. The highest casualty count of any single explosion in the war if the Hamas ministry of health are to be believed... Imagine if Hamas were not a bunch of terrorist idiots.

Try reading the Forensic Architecture anaylsis -it's really quite good.

Imagine if Israel were not a bunch of terrorist idiots. Very constructive.

 

[Jazny]

Try reading the Forensic Architecture anaylsis -it's really quite good.

I read it. Nothing in it changes a thing I said.

 

[Zidane98]

Try reading the Forensic Architecture anaylsis -it's really quite good.

Imagine if Israel were not a bunch of terrorist idiots. Very constructive.

Firstly, imagine if Hamas didn't launch unprovoked terror attacks. This was another one by Hamas.

As for the article, pretty clear it's not written by a neutral party. I always find Ah Ahli a good barometer of neutrality on the Gaza war. Those that accept Hamas propaganda on this generally go down the but what about all the other air strikes path or quote a whole host of biased sources. Such an individual probably does not want to accept the fact that the Gazan ministry of health published false fatality figures initially when they / Hamas actually thought it was caused by an IDF air strike.

The reality though is that there is absolutely no evidence of any IDF munitions at all at ground zero. Infact all damage was confined to a small area.

This video is pretty conclusive (4 cameras, 2 in Israel facing south, Al Jazeera news feed and local resident):



It is beyond doubt this massacre was indicted upon the people of Gaza by Hamas / PIJ. And for me anyone who's truly concerned for Gazans would be asking what else Hamas are bullshitting about in the war.

 

[faible]

Gaza school hit in deadly Israeli strike as ceasefire talks continue

At least 16 people are dead after an Israeli strike on a school sheltering displaced Palestinian families in central Gaza, the Palestinian health ministry says.

www.abc.net.au

Speaking of murdered civilians. This doesn't seem great.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-its-waiting-israeli-response-ceasefire-proposal-2024-07-07/

This also doesn't seem great.

Five days after Hamas accepted a key part of the plan, two officials from the Palestinian militant group said the group was awaiting Israel's response to its latest proposal.

Hamas has dropped a key demand that Israel first commit to a permanent ceasefire before it would sign an agreement. Instead, it said it would allow negotiations to achieve that throughout the six-week first phase, a Hamas source told Reuters on Saturday on condition of anonymity.

Netanyahu said he insisted the deal must not prevent Israel from resuming fighting until its war objectives are met.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ok, so the zionists don’t believe the hamas numbers. Lets instead refer to The Lancet’s estimation….