Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[Bostonian]

That was long after the chosen people had been turfed out.

There were still many Jewish communities in the ME at that time.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

There were still many Jewish communities in the ME at that time.

And there was for another 1400 years after.

 

[Bostonian]

And there was for another 1400 years after.

And like the Christian populations they got smaller and smaller and driven out of the region.

The genocide is almost complete.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

And like the Christian populations they got smaller and smaller and driven out of the region.

The genocide is almost complete.

Strange this 'genocide' occurred only after Israel came into being.

 

[Bostonian]

Strange this 'genocide' occurred only after Israel came into being.

See, you haven't read any history books.

The Assyrian genocide, the Armenian genocide are but two that come to mind instantly.

Long before Israel came to being. You can stop pretending now.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

See, you haven't read any history books.

The Assyrian genocide, the Armenian genocide are but two that come to mind instantly.

Long before Israel came to being. You can stop pretending now.

You ascribe these horrific acts of the Ottomans to be the fault of Islam?

What do these have to do with Israel, or Jews?

The Assyrians Christianity was not a motivation for their slaughter. How can you genocide a religion, anyway?

Didn't realise you were going to bring up completely unrelated events.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

So this was just a general rant about the evils of Muslims, like some sort of embarrassing drunk uncle at Christmas?

 

[Zidane98]

Israel have been terrorising Palestinians for 75 years.

Not true. Israel accepted peace and the state of Palestine in 1948. Surrounding Arab states multiple times declared war on Israel. What this has done is create the conditions for far right nationalists in Israel which seem to thrive every time a war is declared on Israel. There is a reason that Israel no longer has issues with Egypt & Jordan - they mutually recognise each other's independence & sovereignty. They figured out working alongside Israel was better than attacking it on a large scale.

Israel was borne of terrorism. Zionists imported terrorism to the Levant.

This is not true. The UN mandated independent Jewish & Arab states in the area of former Mandatory Palestine (excluding Trans Jordan which was transferred to Jordan).

This made sense considering the historical links to the area and the genocide of 6 million Jews in Europe throughout WW2.


Were there extreme elements on both sides before independence? Yes, but they were not the reason behind Israeli statehood.

 

[Jazny]

This made sense considering the historical links to the area and the genocide of 6 million Jews in Europe throughout WW2.

Not just historical links.

 

[Bostonian]

You ascribe these horrific acts of the Ottomans to be the fault of Islam?

What do these have to do with Israel, or Jews?

The Assyrians Christianity was not a motivation for their slaughter. How can you genocide a religion, anyway?

Didn't realise you were going to bring up completely unrelated events.

You don't understand what the word genocide means is the issue.

"Strange this 'genocide' occurred only after Israel came into being."

The "Palestinians" culture had already been done over by the Arabs long before Israel existed.

You think they spoke Arabic and followed Islam?

 

[Zidane98]

Interesting rhetoric this.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You don't understand what the word genocide means is the issue.

"Strange this 'genocide' occurred only after Israel came into being."

The "Palestinians" culture had already been done over by the Arabs long before Israel existed.

You think they spoke Arabic and followed Islam?

Yeah not really interested in going back 1000 years, thanks though.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Not true. Israel accepted peace and the state of Palestine in 1948.

When did they do this?

You believe the Jewish Agency accepted the state of Palestine? The UNGA adopted the Partition Plan as 181 in November 1947.

Between this 'acceptance' and May 1948, 250,000+ Palestinians were killed and cleansed from their homes, Deir Yassin and a host of other massacres carried out, multiple Haganah cleansing operations - on land earmarked for a Palestinian state!! - all before the declaration of independence of Israel.

The Jewish Agency never accepted the proposed borders as final, Israel's declaration of independence never mentioned boundaries, and Plan Dalet was long in place for the military conquest of all of Palestine. Zionist Congress rejected the Peel Commission plan in 1937 because in their opinion, Jews have an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine.

Surrounding Arab states multiple times declared war on Israel.

Surrounding Arab states in 1948 responded to the slaughter going on in Palestine, after their own populations rose up in turmoil because of it. They sent paltry defensive forces, most of them didn't even want to do that.

Israel invaded Egypt - Gaza and the Sinai, with the help of Britain and France in 1956.

Israel attacked Egypt again in 1967.

Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 and again in 2006.

Israel attacked Gaza in 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021.

What this has done is create the conditions for far right nationalists in Israel which seem to thrive every time a war is declared on Israel.

Yes, these conditions are very useful for Zionists. Putting Jews in danger is always in their interests.

There is a reason that Israel no longer has issues with Egypt & Jordan - they mutually recognise each other's independence & sovereignty. They figured out working alongside Israel was better than attacking it on a large scale.

That's fantastic - when Israel recognises Palestinians right to sovereignty, that will go a long way to peace also.

This is not true. The UN mandated independent Jewish & Arab states in the area of former Mandatory Palestine (excluding Trans Jordan which was transferred to Jordan).

This made sense considering the historical links to the area and the genocide of 6 million Jews in Europe throughout WW2.


Were there extreme elements on both sides before independence? Yes, but they were not the reason behind Israeli statehood.

Please. You've really had the Golden Book version of the history of the region passed onto you.

Irgun, Lehi, Palmach, Haganah. Look at their histories of violent campaigns against the British, Arabs and dissenting Jews.

Bombing the King David Hotel (91 people dead), carbomb at the Damascus Gate, truck bombs at Jaffa Town Hall, Jerusalem vegetable markets, British Embassy in Rome, letterbombs, railroads, British police stations. They took British police hostage then killed them, then left their boobytrapped bodies hanging from trees.

They assassinated British Minister Lord Moyne (the assassins received a state funeral 30 years later), Dutch Jew Jacob De Haan, Swedish UN mediator Folke Bernadotte (who helped save Jews from concentration camps during WWII) because he was going to report to the UN the horrific actions of the Nakba.

In March 1948 the Security Council knew before the British withdrawal a peaceful partition was never going to work, it didn't have support of the members. The US promised the Palestinians a trusteeship of 4-5 years would be put in place for a proper process to be followed. To explain to them why Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were promised a democratic vote to decide the shape of their new countries, but Palestinians had no such right.

At the last minute, and under the threat of further Zionist terrorism from Ben-Gurion himself, Truman reneged on his plan. A direct result of these terror campaigns. He took 11 minutes to recognise the state of Israel.

As for your 'historical links' here is a timeline of control of the Plaestinian region:



Jews were neither the first, nor the longest inhabitants of the region. The messianic, nationalist idea of building a state for Central European Jews escaping persecution on someone else's land is an injustice which the world are finally waking up to. 4 generations of Palestinians living in exile and under occupation for something they had nothing to do with.

If Jews born in Brooklyn have the right to a state in Palestine, then a Palestinian born in Jerusalem has a right to a state in Palestine.

 

[Zidane98]

When did they do this?

You believe the Jewish Agency accepted the state of Palestine? The UNGA adopted the Partition Plan as 181 in November 1947.

Between this 'acceptance' and May 1948, 250,000+ Palestinians were killed and cleansed from their homes, Deir Yassin and a host of other massacres carried out, multiple Haganah cleansing operations - on land earmarked for a Palestinian state!! - all before the declaration of independence of Israel.

The Jewish Agency never accepted the proposed borders as final, Israel's declaration of independence never mentioned boundaries, and Plan Dalet was long in place for the military conquest of all of Palestine. Zionist Congress rejected the Peel Commission plan in 1937 because in their opinion, Jews have an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine.



Surrounding Arab states in 1948 responded to the slaughter going on in Palestine, after their own populations rose up in turmoil because of it. They sent paltry defensive forces, most of them didn't even want to do that.

Israel invaded Egypt - Gaza and the Sinai, with the help of Britain and France in 1956.

Israel attacked Egypt again in 1967.

Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 and again in 2006.

Israel attacked Gaza in 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021.



Yes, these conditions are very useful for Zionists. Putting Jews in danger is always in their interests.



That's fantastic - when Israel recognises Palestinians right to sovereignty, that will go a long way to peace also.



Please. You've really had the Golden Circle version of the history of the region passed onto you.

Irgun, Lehi, Palmach, Haganah. Look at their histories of violent campaigns against the British, Arabs and dissenting Jews.

Bombing the King David Hotel (91 poeple dead), carbomb at the Damascus Gate, truck bombs at Jaffa Town Hall, Jerusalem vegetable markets, British Embassy in Rome, letterbombs, railroads, British police stations. They took British police hostage then killed them, then left their boobytrapped bodies hanging from trees.

They assassinated British Minister Lord Moyne (the assassins received a state funeral 30 years later), Dutch Jew Jacob De Haan, Swedish UN mediator Folke Bernadotte (who helped save Jews from concentration camps during WWII) because he was going to report to the UN the horrific actions of the Nakba.

In March 1948 the Security Council knew before the British withdrawal a peaceful partition was never going to work, it didn't have support of the members. The US promised the Palestinians a trusteeship of 4-5 years would be put in place for a proper process to be followed. To explain to them why Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were promised a democratic vote to decide the shape of their new countries, but Palestinians had no such right.

At the last minute, and under the threat of further Zionist terrorism from Ben-Gurion himself, Truman reneged on his plan. A direct result of these terror campaigns. He took 11 minutes to recognise the state of Israel.

As for your 'historical links' here is a timeline of control of the Plaestinian region:

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Jews were neither the first, nor the longest inhabitants of the region. The messianic, nationalist idea of building a state for Central European Jews escaping persecution on someone else's land is an injustice which the world are finally waking up to. 4 generations of Palestinians living in exile and under occupation for something they had nothing to do with.

If Jews born in Brooklyn have the right to a state in Palestine, then a Palestinian born in Jerusalem has a right to a state in Palestine.

There's clearly quite a bit of indoctrination going on here.

The simple facts are Israel accepted UNSC 181 and Arab league did not. It is disinformation to claim that Israel didn't recognise Palestine at this stage.

The very next day instead of peace 5 states declared war on the new nation of Israel. That was followed by wars and yes Palestinians being killed.

They had the choice of accepting a completely independent Arab state decided on by the UN.


Both Arabs & Jews had a right to an independent state. The resolution also allowed for Jews living in an Arab state and Arabs living in a Jewish state.

I see rhetoric here that Israel should never have been allowed to be formed. The reality Israel was formed as it should have and will be around forever.

Rhetoric like yours ensures that Palestine will never get statehood. Recognition and acceptance is required on both sides.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

There's clearly quite a bit of indoctrination going on here.

The simple facts are Israel accepted UNSC 181 and Arab league did not. It is disinformation to claim that Israel didn't recognise Palestine at this stage.

The very next day instead of peace 5 states declared war on the new nation of Israel. That was followed by wars and yes Palestinians being killed.

They had the choice of accepting a completely independent Arab state decided on by the UN.


Both Arabs & Jews had a right to an independent state. The resolution also allowed for Jews living in an Arab state and Arabs living in a Jewish state.

I see rhetoric here that Israel should never have been allowed to be formed. The reality Israel was formed as it should have and will be around forever.

Rhetoric like yours ensures that Palestine will never get statehood. Recognition and acceptance is required on both sides.

It's like you can't even read.

Bury your head in the sand, everything I posted is a fact.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Maybe you find video easier to process?

Here is an Israeli historian explaining at the UN.

 

[faible]

Maybe you find video easier to process?

Here is an Israeli historian explaining at the UN.

kudos for trying

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

What a shame, Penny Wong obviously sent the wrong person to do a job on Israel and confirm a “war crime”.

War envoy’s verdict on fatal drone strike: Israeli response backed

War envoy’s verdict on fatal drone strike: Israeli response backed

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

What a shame, Penny Wong obviously sent the wrong person to check out this "war crime".

War envoy’s verdict on fatal drone strike: Israeli response backed

War envoy’s verdict on fatal drone strike: Israeli response backed

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

What a shame? That's your response? What drives you? These people did not have to die.

They were never going to find any different. A fait accomli.

“Those who approved the strike were convinced that they were targeting armed Hamas operatives and not WCK employees,” IDF investigators found. “The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the standard operating procedures.”

Yes, the IDF made a mistake in drone striking the first WCK vehicle.

Then when they didn't kill everyone, they made a mistake in striking the second vehicle.

Then they made a mistake again and finished the job.

Once is a mistake, 3 times is a policy.

 

[Jazny]

Yes, the IDF made a mistake in drone striking the first WCK vehicle.

Then when they didn't kill everyone, they made a mistake in striking the second vehicle.

Then they made a mistake again and finished the job.

Once is a mistake, 3 times is a policy.

You are going to go through life wondering why nobody, no respectable world leaders, no sensible people seem to ever agree with your point of view. It's because you filter the news in the most biased way possible. You listen to some of the most biased sources possible, you view every action with the most malice possible (only when it suits your narrative though). You are hopelessly biased.

It seems this attack by Israel was negligent, two officers were fired, I think they should be on trial for negligence, but the way you read it you have to believe 1. Israel is lying, 2. Mark Binskin is lying. 3. the people who struck the vehicles had confirmation at some point between the strikes that they were targeting the wrong people... or they knew before the strikes even begun they were not legitimate targets.

The only way you can be so sure it's a "policy" is if your worldview is totally skewed and everything you see or read is going to be shaped to support your narrative no matter what.

 

[leon123]

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You are going to go through life wondering why nobody, no respectable world leaders, no sensible people seem to ever agree with your point of view. It's because you filter the news in the most biased way possible. You listen to some of the most biased sources possible, you view every action with the most malice possible (only when it suits your narrative though). You are hopelessly biased.

It seems this attack by Israel was negligent, two officers were fired, I think they should be on trial for negligence, but the way you read it you have to believe 1. Israel is lying, 2. Mark Binskin is lying. 3. the people who struck the vehicles had confirmation at some point between the strikes that they were targeting the wrong people... or they new before the strikes even begun they were not legitimate targets.

The only way you can be so sure it's a "policy" is if your worldview is totally skewed and everything you see or read is going to be shaped to support your narrative no matter what.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis, believe me when I say I don't have to wonder about any of that. I don't consider you a sensible person so I don't expect you to agree.

Yeah look policy probably the wrong word there. Given the IDF admit their SOP was not followed - my issue is with the culture and environment that empowers people approving targets to break those SOPs - 3 times - given they clearly didn't actually have confirmation on what they were targetting.

Given the number of aid workers and journalists killed over the course of this 'war' - we can see that this is a systemic issue that nobody in any position of power has any intention of changing.

 

[Kurve]

Interesting rhetoric this.

It's been claimed for several days now but nothing officlal yet.

 

[Zidane98]

Deif being taken out would be a huge blow to Hamas.


There's also talk that Hamas political leadership are about to be kicked out of Qatar. Relocated to either Iraq or Turkey.


I will say it is incredible that the US didn't make this a condition of signing a defense deal with Qatar in January of this year.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Deif being taken out would be a huge blow to Hamas.


There's also talk that Hamas political leadership are about to be kicked out of Qatar. Relocated to either Iraq or Turkey.


I will say it is incredible that the US didn't make this a condition of signing a defense deal with Qatar in January of this year.

Hamas leaders have been getting kicked out of Qatar for 6 months now.