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[Jazny]

Never said they sung the song

Just admit you were making an irrelevant point then.

but if you believe they were just walking along discussing where to have a cup of tea then that's on you. Only you can choose to see what you want to see and what you choose to not see.

Well lets read some actual testimony of the kind of thing that went down:

"We left the game early to meet a friend, and as we walked towards the bar area, chaos broke out—mopeds appeared from alleyways, and a crowd surrounded an Israeli man," he said. "The man was on the ground, his head pinned between a curb and a metal gate, being viciously kicked."

Aaron and his friend Jacob, a father-of-three from Golders Green, intervened in an attempt to help the victim, pushing the attackers away.

However, their efforts were met with further violence. "We thought it was over," Aaron recalled, "but moments later, the gang returned and confronted us, asking, ‘Are you Yehudi? Are you Jewish?’”

Jacob, who was also caught up in the attack, recalled the thugs demanding to see their passports. Despite their denials of being Israeli, the gang continued to harass them and the situation quickly escalated. "I told him to leave him alone and the next thing I know, he punched me in the face," Aaron said. "It was so unexpected. My glasses were broken, my nose split. Blood everywhere."

The violence did not end there. After Aaron was punched, about 20 more attackers emerged from hiding and began to assault him. "I stood my ground. I said, ‘What you’re doing is why you’re not getting any support,’" he said. One member of the gang, upon realising that Aaron was British, instructed the others to leave him alone. However, another responded, "Yes, but he helped a Jew."
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Aaron observed that the attackers were specifically targeting Jews, not just Israelis. "They knew what they were doing. It wasn’t a random ‘Let’s get an Israeli.’ It was organised. It was ‘We want Jews. We want Jewish blood.’"
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Gal Binyanmin Tshuva, 29, told the BBC he was attacked on Wednesday outside a casino after watching a different football game.

"We faced around 20 people who ran towards us. They asked me where I was from, and I said I was from Greece. They said they didn’t believe me and they asked to see my passport". When he told them he didn't have it, the men beat him, pushed him to the ground and kicked his face, Mr Tshuva said.

"I don’t remember anything after that, and I woke up in an ambulance with blood all over my face, and realised they had broken two of my teeth."
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Adi Reuben, 24, said he was kicked on the ground and had his nose broken when he and his friends were confronted by a group of over 10 men while walking back to their hotel.

The men asked Mr Reuben where he and his friends were from. "They shouted 'Jewish, Jewish, IDF, IDF',” he said, referring to the Israeli military.
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'They shouted Jewish, IDF': Israeli football fans describe attack in Amsterdam

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans say they were beaten and kicked by gangs of young men.

www.bbc.com

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So far my $100 is safe. The unhinged song was not alleged to have been sung this week or have anything to do with the antisemitic attacks, let alone was it alleged to be sung to directly antagonise the attackers. This video was posted on youtube 3 months ago. Even if it was sung this week, how would it justify the reported antisemitic attacks of people going around Amsterdam assaulting people for being Jewish or in one case for helping a Jew?

You're free to have another go. Have as many tries as you like. Explain the relevance of this song to anything I have ever said, any defense you think I have ever made of these people, or anything that occurred this last week in Amsterdam.

Are you referring to the rape song, or the genocide song?

 

[DapperDon]

Are you referring to the rape song, or the genocide song?

Neither are important, as this current time they wern't being their usual sexist racists selves, they all acted with honour and didn't say a single derogatory word and all attacks were unprovoked.

Just ask the Israeli supporters from the BBC article above

 

[DapperDon]

What happened in Amsterdam, and when?​

• Tensions in the city started building on Wednesday when supporters of the Israeli football club Maccabi Tel Aviv arrived in Amsterdam. Their match against Ajax, a Dutch football club, was scheduled for the next day.
• Later on Wednesday, Maccabi fans burned a Palestinian flag in the central Dam Square and vandalised a taxi, Amsterdam’s Police Chief Peter Holla told a news conference on Friday. A video verified by Reuters showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting, “Ole, ole, let the [Israeli army] win, and F*** the Arabs”.
• Israeli fans also attacked houses displaying Palestinian flags, Jazie Veldhuyzen, a member of the Amsterdam City Council, told Al Jazeera.
• On Thursday evening, Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters were chanting anti-Arab slogans as they marched towards the football stadium, video footage showed. Police escorted the fans to the match, and local authorities banned pro-Palestinian demonstrators from gathering outside the stadium. A pro-Palestinian march had been organised nearby at Anton de Komplein Square.
• Ajax won the UEFA Europa League match against Maccabi 5-0. The game proceeded smoothly.
• Following the match, groups on scooters targeted the Maccabi supporters as they made their way to the city centre.
• Riot police intervened. Some fans were escorted to their hotels by bus with police escorts. An additional 600 police officers were deployed.
• Sixty-two individuals were detained in connection with the attacks as police officers tried to control the situation. Ten remained in custody on Friday, the city’s chief public prosecutor, Rene de Beukelaer, told reporters at a news conference on Friday. On Saturday, Amsterdam prosecutors said 10 people are suspected of crimes including vandalism, while 40 suspects have been given fines for disturbing public order.
• Further arrests could be made as Amsterdam police pore through security camera footage, social media posts, and other evidence to identify those involved in the clashes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...lestinians-attacked-in-amsterdam-what-we-know

Funny nobody mentioned the "**** the Arabs" chant, guess that's ok though. It's not Anti-Semitic so we'll just ignore it.

 

[JB1975]

This article draws heavily upon Omer Bartov, an Israeli-American historian.

He wasn't convinced of genocide in the early days of conflict, but has absolutely no doubt now, and says that we're seeing the final stages of it in Gaza.

We are witnessing the final stage of genocide in Gaza | Arwa Mahdawi

Omer Bartov is an Israeli-American professor of Holocaust and genocide studies. He has issued a grim warning on Gaza

www.theguardian.com

 

[Zidane98]

Very good article here about the state of Gaza on 6th Oct 2023, Hamas' wealth (leaders collectively worth $11 billion at the time, stolen from the people of Gaza):




This war, which continues to this day, serves only the interests of Hamas/Iran.

 

[Jazny]

It's almost like this guy has been reading this thread. Incredible how accurate his description of trying to engage with antisemites is given he wrote this like 80 years ago. Some things never change.

 

[JB1975]

Very good article here about the state of Gaza on 6th Oct 2023, Hamas' wealth (leaders collectively worth $11 billion at the time, stolen from the people of Gaza):




This war, which continues to this day, serves only the interests of Hamas/Iran.

Not really a 'war', though. More of a one-sided slaughter, some might say...genocide.

And I've got a suspicion that it continues because it serves the interests of those carrying it out.

 

[JB1975]

It's almost like this guy has been reading this thread. Incredible how accurate his description of trying to engage with antisemites is given he wrote this like 80 years ago. Some things never change.
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They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.

Like conflating someone's opposition to genocide with antisemitism?

 

[Jazny]

They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.

Like conflating someone's opposition to genocide with antisemitism?

No. Like acting like that's what's happening.

Notice how you didn't give any quotes or factual examples of this happening? Just an absurd bad faith reply. I don't know who you are and wasn't referring to you, but you kind of demonstrated what he was talking about nicely.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's almost like this guy has been reading this thread. Incredible how accurate his description of trying to engage with antisemites is given he wrote this like 80 years ago. Some things never change.
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Like when you claimed the Dutch anti-fascist jews were like Westboro Baptist Church, even though it was the Israeli football hooligans doing the hate speech racist chants?

 

[Jazny]

Like when you claimed the Dutch anti-fascist jews were like Westboro Baptist Church, even though it was the Israeli football hooligans doing the hate speech racist chants?

Another absurd reply without any basis in reality.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ahh yes, the "Jewish community of Amsterdam" also known as Erav Rav

I was just about to type that I wonder if there is another human being in the entire world dumb enough to fall for this framing... and in comes DapperDon

That's like calling a post from the Westboro Baptist Church a 'statement from the Christian community in Kansas'.

There needs to be a license to operate the internet.

Heres your Westboro reference Jazny

 

[Zidane98]

Not really a 'war', though. More of a one-sided slaughter, some might say...genocide.

And I've got a suspicion that it continues because it serves the interests of those carrying it out.

Of course it is. Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas. All openly declare their intent to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and / or annihilate Jews. All act on this desire too.

Just look at the state of Gaza on Oct 6 and the wealth Hamas had amassed off the back of Gazan people.

 

[Jazny]

Heres your Westboro reference Jazny

There's no point engaging with antisemites because they don't care about words.

But thanks for quoting it in full so people who do care about words can see I wasn't comparing them to the Westboro baptist church, but using an analogy to show that a statement from a fringe group is absurd to label as though its a statement from the wider community.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It's almost like this guy has been reading this thread. Incredible how accurate his description of trying to engage with antisemites is given he wrote this like 80 years ago. Some things never change.
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Literally describes everyone on an internet forum.

 

[JB1975]

No. Like acting like that's what's happening.

Notice how you didn't give any quotes or factual examples of this happening? Just an absurd bad faith reply. I don't know who you are and wasn't referring to you, but you kind of demonstrated what he was talking about nicely.

Don't get me wrong, I always appreciate a quote from Jean-Paul Sartre, but your post was a decontextualised nonsense which sought to cast an aspersion over the entire thread.

My reply was a reference to the weaponisation of the term 'antisemitism' as a way of circumventing criticism of Israel, which is the epitome of bad faith 'discourse'.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

No. Like acting like that's what's happening.

Notice how you didn't give any quotes or factual examples of this happening? Just an absurd bad faith reply. I don't know who you are and wasn't referring to you, but you kind of demonstrated what he was talking about nicely.

Who were you referring to?

 

[JB1975]

Of course it is. Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas. All openly declare their intent to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and / or annihilate Jews. All act on this desire too.

Just look at the state of Gaza on Oct 6 and the wealth Hamas had amassed off the back of Gazan people.

Gaza is very much an ethnic cleansing, given the fact that it's directed at citizens. That's been obvious for quite a while now.

 

[DapperDon]

It's almost like this guy has been reading this thread. Incredible how accurate his description of trying to engage with antisemites is given he wrote this like 80 years ago. Some things never change.
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Let me know how many of these are anti-semitic in your mind

1- Not wanting the continued slaughter of civilians
2- Not wanting people to lose their houses, land, loved ones to armed thugs backed by armed forces
3- Not agreeing that retaliation to violent, sexist, racists acts are to be considered anti-semitic because the group of thugs are Israeli
4- Thinks those in power have other agendas other than 'removing hamas'

 

[JB1975]

Just look at the state of Gaza on Oct 6 and the wealth Hamas had amassed off the back of Gazan people.

Do you mean the wealth that Netanyahu helped Hamas to acquire, as a way of strengthening the more militant elements of Palestinian resistance at the expense of moderates (e.g. PA)?

 

[JB1975]

Let me know how many of these are anti-semitic in your mind

1- Not wanting the continued slaughter of civilians
2- Not wanting people to lose their houses, land, loved ones to armed thugs backed by armed forces
3- Not agreeing that retaliation to violent, sexist, racists acts are to be considered anti-semitic because the group of thugs are Israeli
4- Thinks those in power have other agendas other than 'removing hamas'

5. Not wanting to see pogroms against Palestinians in the West Bank every day.

 

[JB1975]

If we're going to bandy terms like 'antisemitism' around, then surely we need a working definition.

It seems that the typical conflation of antisemitism and criticism of Israel is straight out of the madness of the IHRA definition.

 

[DapperDon]

If we're going to bandy terms like 'antisemitism' around, then surely we need a working definition.

It seems that the typical conflation of antisemitism and criticism of Israel is straight out of the madness of the IHRA definition.

It's the go to defense for ignoring the slaughter of Arabs, if you dare call it out you are against everying Jewish.

It's really disgusting how it's been weaponized.

 

[jason_recliner]

Very good article here about the state of Gaza on 6th Oct 2023, Hamas' wealth (leaders collectively worth $11 billion at the time, stolen from the people of Gaza):




This war, which continues to this day, serves only the interests of Hamas/Iran.

Gaza, where buildings are constructed from reprocessed rubble because building supplies are not available, has a "higher standard of living than Egypt." Not sure if trolling or really dumb.