Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You don't hear much at all from those sorts. Of posters about Hamas war crimes, crimes of humanity against the civilian Palestinian population of Gaza & West Bank.

I'd be surprised if there was even a single post at all condemning these specific atrocities against Palestinian civilians.

99% of the war crimes are done by Israel.

So it makes sense if you only hear of Hamas war crimes 1% of the time.

+/- 2% (margin for error)

 

[faible]

You don't hear much at all from those sorts. Of posters about Hamas war crimes, crimes of humanity against the civilian Palestinian population of Gaza & West Bank.

I'd be surprised if there was even a single post at all condemning these specific atrocities against Palestinian civilians.

Zidane: 'but have you condemned Hamas today?'
Everyone: 'yes actually'
Also Zidane: 'condemn them harder'

 

[faible]

99% of the war crimes are done by Israel.

So it makes sense if you only hear of Hamas war crimes 1% of the time.

+/- 2% margin for error

1 post per dead civilian per side?

 

[DapperDon]

At this stage in the conflict, the urgent priority is security for the Palestinian people on the West Bank.

Removing settlers would go a long way in achieving this, to claim they are almost irrelevant is just crazy.

 

[Kurve]

That's certainly a take on things. The group causing most of the issues, over the longest period of time, are suddenly irrelevant?

You've taken what I said out of context and also mischaracterised.

In the current conditions, the settlers are almost irrelevant.

If you removed every Israeli settler from Palestinian land in the West Bank, I suspect there'd be a lot less risk of civil war.

No. In the proper context I disagree.

I've also disagreed from day 1 on the comment "There is no Hamas on the West Bank". It was BS, it was always BS and there is also the PIJ on the West Bank, closely aligned to Hamas and also a proscribed terrorist organisation.

The PA have their hands full right now trying to maintain order.

 

[Kurve]

Removing settlers would go a long way in achieving this, to claim they are almost irrelevant is just crazy.

Comprehension is failing you.

You want to see a civil war on the West Bank or for them to become another Gaza?

 

[DapperDon]

Comprehension is failing you.

You want to see a civil war on the West Bank or for them to become another Gaza?

Possibly, All I have to go on is the words you type.

 

[Kurve]

Possibly, All I have to go on is the words you type.

This is the context, today and through the almost complete destruction of Gaza. Not the history of settler encroachments.

in the scheme of a potential civil war in the West Bank or worse (as a consequence of the current conflict)

 

[faible]

You've taken what I said out of context and also mischaracterised.

In the current conditions, the settlers are almost irrelevant.



No. In the proper context I disagree.

I've also disagreed from day 1 on the comment "There is no Hamas on the West Bank". It was BS, it was always BS and there is also the PIJ on the West Bank, closely aligned to Hamas and also a proscribed terrorist organisation.

The PA have their hands full right now trying to maintain order.

We can agree to disagree then.

The Israeli settlers are a long-running, major issue for the West Bank. They not only cause direct issues with their actions, but indirect issues because of the disruption they cause to Fatah attempting to govern peacefully, and the fuel it provides groups like Hamas and co to recruit people to their cause.

You're wanting to treat a singular symptom, not the cause. If the cause is untreated - Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land - the symptom will never go away. If it's not Hamas, something else will appear in response to the actions of the settlers, because so long as Palestinians have no opportunity to live in peace, some will choose violence, and that violence won't necessarily just be directed at the settlers.

 

[Kurve]

The Israeli settlers are a long-running, major issue for the West Bank. They not only cause direct issues with their actions, but indirect issues because of the disruption they cause to Fatah attempting to govern peacefully, and the fuel it provides groups like Hamas and co to recruit people to their cause.

What I'm saying is the hostilities on the West Bank now, are nothing to do with the settlers.

Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land - the symptom will never go away

Of course it's not going away, I never suggested that.

What I'm saying is that internal hostilities need to be dealt with or the outcome FOR THE PEOPLE on the West Bank, could be disastrous.

 

[faible]

What I'm saying is the hostilities on the West Bank now, are nothing to do with the settlers.



Of course it's not going away, I never suggested that.

What I'm saying is that internal hostilities need to be dealt with or the outcome FOR THE PEOPLE on the West Bank, is disastrous.

They're a symptom of the long running settler violence in the area.

If people were living peacefully, Hamas and co wouldn't find people to recruit to their cause. Ignoring the settlers means any actions taken against Hamas or others is doomed to fail.

Presumably the people of Israel don't want Hamas recruiting support on the West Bank, so it's also in their interests to stop the settlements.

Any solution that ignores the impact of settlers on the West Bank, isn't a solution.

 

[Kurve]

They're a symptom of the long running settler violence in the area.

Of course, settler violence is unacceptable I've never said it was but you're never going to get me to agree that the kind of violence we saw managed by Hamas on October 7, is a legitimate form of resistance.

I'd be making myself sick on the hypocrisy and undermining my principles for a political position.

If people were living peacefully, Hamas and co wouldn't find people to recruit to their cause. Ignoring the settlers means any actions taken against Hamas or others is doomed to fail.

With 51% unemployment in Gaza, their options are very limited. They buy fighters.

Any solution that ignores the impact of settlers on the West Bank, isn't a solution.

As I've said repeatedly, the immediate urgent issue now is security for the Palestinians who live on the West Bank. Their situation is precarious.

 

[Jazny]

99% of the war crimes are done by Israel.

So it makes sense if you only hear of Hamas war crimes 1% of the time.

+/- 2% (margin for error)

What an idiotic post this is even by your standards.

Every Hamas rocket launch is a war crime under international law. They are indiscriminate attacks on civilians with indescriminate weapons. There has been over 10,000 rocket attacks from Hamas since October 7th. That's 10,000+ war crimes from rocket attacks alone. Unfortunately for your argument, the same can't be said for every airstrike from Israel. It's extremely unlikely that every single Israeli airstrike would constitute a violation of international law, though that isn't to say that all Israeli strikes are legal either. How many are war crimes from Israeli strikes nobody could possible know at this stage. You can't count the number of civilian causalities, that's not how international law works. It's not even debatable.

Then we have October 7th, where thousands if not tens of thousand of war crimes added up to a big atrocity.

Then you have all the war crimes Hamas commit as the war has been ongoing, such as using civilian areas to launch rockets, using children in combat roles, torture, rape, stealing humanitarian aid, executions, keeping hostages, using civilian infrastructure to shield their military operations, perfidy...

I am really sorry, but there is no chance that Israel commit 100 war crimes for every 1 Hamas war crime. You must have read this in QUDS News Network or something.

The embarrassingly wrong white washing of Hamas continues in this thread.

 

[faible]

What an idiotic post this is even by your standards.

Every Hamas rocket launch is a war crime under international law. They are indiscriminate attacks on civilians with indescriminate weapons. There has been over 10,000 rocket attacks from Hamas since October 7th. That's 10,000+ war crimes from rocket attacks alone. Unfortunately for your argument, the same can't be said for every airstrike from Israel. It's extremely unlikely that every single Israeli airstrike would constitute a violation of international law, though that isn't to say that all Israeli strikes are legal either. How many are war crimes from Israeli strikes nobody could possible know at this stage. You can't count the number of civilian causalities, that's not how international law works. It's not even debatable.

Then we have October 7th, where thousands if not tens of thousand of war crimes added up to a big atrocity.

Then you have all the war crimes Hamas commit as the war has been ongoing, such as using civilian areas to launch rockets, using children in combat roles, torture, rape, stealing humanitarian aid, executions, keeping hostages, using civilian infrastructure to shield their military operations, perfidy...

I am really sorry, but there is no chance that Israel commit 100 war crimes for every 1 Hamas war crime. You must have read this in QUDS News Network or something.

The embarrassingly wrong white washing of Hamas continues in this thread.

Lucky for Israel, 'war crime of starvation as a method of warfare' only counts as one war crimes. Not 2.2 million.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What an idiotic post this is even by your standards.

Every Hamas rocket launch is a war crime under international law. They are indiscriminate attacks on civilians with indescriminate weapons. There has been over 10,000 rocket attacks from Hamas since October 7th. That's 10,000+ war crimes from rocket attacks alone. Unfortunately for your argument, the same can't be said for every airstrike from Israel. It's extremely unlikely that every single Israeli airstrike would constitute a violation of international law, though that isn't to say that all Israeli strikes are legal either. How many are war crimes from Israeli strikes nobody could possible know at this stage. You can't count the number of civilian causalities, that's not how international law works. It's not even debatable.

Then we have October 7th, where thousands if not tens of thousand of war crimes added up to a big atrocity.

Then you have all the war crimes Hamas commit as the war has been ongoing, such as using civilian areas to launch rockets, using children in combat roles, torture, rape, stealing humanitarian aid, executions, keeping hostages, using civilian infrastructure to shield their military operations, perfidy...

I am really sorry, but there is no chance that Israel commit 100 war crimes for every 1 Hamas war crime. You must have read this in QUDS News Network or something.

The embarrassingly wrong white washing of Hamas continues in this thread.

I think the whole apartheid and illegal occupation thing acts a multiplier. Lets say, x3

Also, the war crimes didn’t start on October 7. They go back many years. Why do you keep ignoring that?

 

[faible]

I think the whole apartheid and illegal occupation thing acts a multiplier. Lets say, x3

Also, the war crimes didn’t start on October 7. They go back many years. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Didn't you know, it was all peace and rainbows and roses before October 7th.

 

[Jazny]

I think the whole apartheid and illegal occupation thing acts a multiplier. Lets say, x3

Also, the war crimes didn’t start on October 7. They go back many years. Why do you keep ignoring that?

True, Hamas have launched tens of thousands of rockets prior to October 7th too, thanks for bringing that up. They have carried out numerous terror attacks, taken hostages, perfidy and torture among others.

 

[faible]

I must have missed all the support for Hamas in this thread.

It's almost like people are justifying Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinian civilians based on the actions of Hamas. What's punishing a population for the actions of a small number who may live in the same area called again?

 

[DapperDon]

I must have missed all the support for Hamas in this thread.

It's almost like people are justifying Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinian civilians based on the actions of Hamas. What's punishing a population for the actions of a small number who may live in the same area called again?

It's amazing how much they try to paint anyone who questions Israel as Hamas supporters.

I mean, it's very old, but still amazing how dedicated they are to ignore the death of tens of thousands.

 

[Jazny]

Oh here comes the bit where we ignore that I am responding to a post claiming Hamas commits 1% of the war crimes Israel commits, then cry because they are horribly horribly wrong as always. Continue the white washing and faux tears, guys. It's not at all embarrassing for you, and I am sure someone is convinced by it. I mean, tankies do exist.

 

[faible]

Oh here comes the bit where we ignore that I am responding to a post claiming Hamas commits 1% of the war crimes Israel commits, then cry because they are horribly horribly wrong as always. Continue the white washing and faux tears, guys. It's not at all embarrassing for you, and I am sure someone is convinced by it. I mean, tankies do exist.

Jazny's love affair with a technicality continues.

 

[Kurve]

Lucky for Israel, 'war crime of starvation as a method of warfare' only counts as one war crimes. Not 2.2 million.

This one's for the data analysts on the allegations of starvation, where the UN is getting their figures from and what might be missing.

I don't know.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Oh here comes the bit where we ignore that I am responding to a post claiming Hamas commits 1% of the war crimes Israel commits, then cry because they are horribly horribly wrong as always. Continue the white washing and faux tears, guys. It's not at all embarrassing for you, and I am sure someone is convinced by it. I mean, tankies do exist.

Settle down, it’s not a pantomime.

 

[faible]

This one's for the data analysts on the allegations of starvation, where the UN is getting their figures from and what might be missing.

I don't know.

I truly hope more aid is getting in than the UN counts.

The ICJ has charged Israeli leadership with the war crime of starvation. It's one 'crime' but is an ongoing one against the vast majority of the population of Gaza. Some people seem to disregard the scale the Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity are occurring at.

For example, equating a rocket launch with a 2000 lbs bomb, let alone mass starvation.

 

[Kurve]

I truly hope more aid is getting in than the UN counts.

I hope more aid is getting through as well. I also hope to see less of Hamas stealing it and either executing or kneecapping civilians who try to get something for themselves.

They're deliberately crippling their people.

The ICJ has charged Israeli leadership with the war crime of starvation. It's one 'crime' but is an ongoing one against the vast majority of the population of Gaza. Some people seem to disregard the scale the Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity are occurring at.

The data I supplied may be in their defence.

This is not justification for or excusing starving the people, I'm pointing out how Israel may proceed.