Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[faible]

The bottom line is when you start a war be prepared to be pummeled to the ground.

Hamas knew that would happen though.

Hamas =/= Palestinians.

It's a lazy argument to keep pretending they are one and the same. Akin to saying Israeli civilians deserve to be slaughtered because their government has spent decades oppressing and killing Palestinians.

 

[Bostonian]

Hamas =/= Palestinians.

It's a lazy argument to keep pretending they are one and the same. Akin to saying Israeli civilians deserve to be slaughtered because their government has spent decades oppressing and killing Palestinians.

Plenty of Muslims think the Israelis should be slaughtered.

Not just Palestinians either.

Maybe the PLO (Fatah)should have aided Israel then in the destruction of Hamas to show once and for all that the path the majority of Palestinians want is to move towards is peace.

 

[Kurve]

Maybe the PLO should have aided Israel then in the destruction of Hamas to show once and for all that the path the majority of Palestinians want is to move towards is peace.

Well ... someone told Israel where the three militants they assassinated at the hospital in Jenin were.

 

[Bostonian]

Well ... someone told Israel where the three militants they assassinated at the hospital in Jenin were.

Israeli operatives no doubt.

Israel does have its own Muslim population.

Have there been reports of them being attacked continuously since Oct 7?

 

[faible]

Plenty of Muslims think the Israelis should be slaughtered.

Not just Palestinians either.

Maybe the PLO (Fatah)should have aided Israel then in the destruction of Hamas to show once and for all that the path the majority of Palestinians want is to move towards is peace.

Why would the PLO help the Israel that's also busy stealing their land? Palestinians have spent generations being oppressed by Israel, it's bizarre to argue that they should be the one's doing anything at all.

Israel are not the good guys here, once you realise that you might start to have a more informed view of the situation.

Also the 'Muslims' catch-all is another low effort talking point.

 

[Kurve]

Plenty of Muslims think the Israelis should be slaughtered.

Not just Palestinians either.

Many Palestinians have also forged bonds of friendship with Israelis, they've been going in and out of Israel to work for ages.

 

[Kurve]

Israeli operatives no doubt.

Israel does have its own Muslim population.

Have there been reports of them being attacked continuously since Oct 7?

There's been a few attacks actually if not as many as I'd thought there might be. It seems mostly to be quite calm.

 

[Bostonian]

There's been a few attacks actually if not as many as I'd thought there might be. It seems mostly to be quite calm.

Maybe because of the pressure they are coming under internally about getting the 200 hostages out alive.

If it even came to light they are all dead I think they would rain fire down on Gaza.

 

[Kurve]

Maybe because of the pressure they are coming under internally about getting the 200 hostages out alive.

If it even came to light they are all dead I think they would rain fire down on Gaza.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about attacks inside Israel by people within their Arab citizenry.

 

[Bostonian]

Many Palestinians have also forged bonds of friendship with Israelis, they've been going in and out of Israel to work for ages.

Many Arabs work in the IDF. Some probably in Mossad.

The Bedouins are active in the IDF, they even try to actively recruit more of them.

They obviously prefer to live in Israel where they have more rights.

 

[Bostonian]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about attacks inside Israel by people within their Arab citizenry.

Well that too. 20% of Israel's population is Arab.

 

[jason_recliner]

The bottom line is when you start a war be prepared to be pummeled to the ground.

Hamas knew that would happen though.

What are you talking about? The civilians being murdered didn't commit any crime against Israel. Hamas, a criminal organisation, clearly does not represent, or value the welfare of, the citizens of Gaza. It is up to Israel, a developed sovereign State (and the rest of the world), to do so.

Your position seems to be that it doesn't matter if innocent Palestinian civlians are murdered because some Palestinians are Hamas, and Israel should act criminally because Hamas does.

 

[Bostonian]

What are you talking about? The civilians being murdered didn't commit any crime against Israel. Hamas, a criminal organisation, clearly does not represent, or value the welfare of, the citizens of Gaza. It is up to Israel, a developed sovereign State (and the rest of the world), to do so.

Your position seem to be that it doesn't matter if innocent Palestinian civlians are murdered because some Palestinians are Hamas, and Israel should act criminally because Hamas does.

No my position is I understand that if you **** with certain people you're gonna get ****ed up twice as bad if you do.

Have you never read a history book?

Every time an Arab nation, army or group went after the Israelis they got ****ed up.

If Israel doesn't flex it's military muscle in that region when such things happen it might give some other mental turds in the region the idea that they too could get away with it if Israel responds meekly.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

That's not the point. Hamas is a criminal organisation. Israel is a sovereign State. They have a duty and legal obligation not to murder innocent people. If they can't drop thousands of bombs on a densely populated region without killing 25,000+ innocent civilians (most of the dead are women and children), they need to do things differently. Send in troops, send in Mossad, door-to-door surgically ID and and detain (or kill) the Hamas criminals. A criminal act against a State does NOT authorise mass-murder of civilians under any law. And then there's murder being morally and ethically reprehensible to most).

Or the residents need to leave so they are out of harms way. The fact they've been displaced hopefully brings about a democratic election when diat settles.

Israel didn't provoke this.....Hamas did. If residents want to remain in harms way.as shields then that's sad but a consequence of supporting a terrorist organization. Don't.

 

[jason_recliner]

No my position is I understand that if you * with certain people you're gonna get ****ed up twice as bad if you do.

Have you never read a history book?

Every time an Arab nation, army or group went after the Israelis they got ****ed up.

If Israel doesn't flex it's military muscle in that region when such things happen it might give some other mental turds in the region the idea that they too could get away with it if Israel responds meekly.

In your opinion is it acceptable to murder innocent civilians in retalliation for attrocities carried out by others? What do you think that achieves (in terms of deterring other Arabs?) Hamas (and other potential Arab criminals) don't care about the welfare of the Gazans.

 

[jason_recliner]

Or the residents need to leave so they are out of harms way.

Eh? Do you know anything at all about the Gazan Strip?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Eh? Do you know anything at all about the Gazan Strip?

Borders closed. High density and low density areas. Areas with and without Hamas. Move to low density and non Hamas areas is best option. It's not rocket science

 

[Bostonian]

In your opinion is it acceptable to murder innocent civilians in retalliation for attrocities carried out by others? What do you think that achieves (in terms of deterring other Arabs?) Hamas (and other potential Arab criminals) don't care about the welfare of the Gazans.

My opinion doesn't matter.

I and many others knew as soon as they attacked on Oct 7 this would be the outcome. It was inevitable.

It achieves reinforcing the view that Israel won't back down from a fight. In that region that view needs to be seen as a given.

 

[jason_recliner]

Borders closed. High density and low density areas. Areas with and without Hamas. Move to low density and non Hamas areas is best option. It's not rocket science

Do you think the "low density areas" might be that way for a reason? e.g. maybe they cannot sustain a large population?

 

[jason_recliner]

My opinion doesn't matter.

I and many others knew as soon as they attacked on Oct 7 this would be the outcome. It was inevitable.

It achieves reinforcing the view that Israel won't back down from a fight. In that region that view needs to be seen as a given.

Yes, everybody knew, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it legal. Doesn't deter any potential beligerent actors (I'll launch some rockets, kill some Jews in Belgium, whatever, Israel will indiscrimately kill a bunch of Gazans for 'revenge', it's all good)

 

[Bostonian]

Yes, everybody knew, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it legal. Doesn't deter any potential beligerent actors (I'll launch some rockets, kill some Jews in Belgium, whatever, Israel will indiscrimately kill a bunch of Gazans for 'revenge', it's all good)

It makes it war. If the Gazans don't want it to happen again time to overthrow Hamas then, WITH the help of the IDF.

 

[jason_recliner]

It makes it war. If the Gazans don't want it to happen again time to overthrow Hamas then, WITH the help of the IDF.

No, you can't declare war on an unarmed civilian population. Hence my original comment, Israel should have gone in and done it the surgical, slow, expensive way, with, as you say, the objective of overthrowing Hamas. But without murdering tens of thousands of civilians.

 

[Bostonian]

No, you can't declare war on an unarmed civilian population. Hence my original comment, Israel should have gone in and done it the surgical, slow, expensive way, with, as you say, the objective of overthrowing Hamas. But without murdering tens of thousands of civilians.

Yeah it's not a game of Call of Duty.

By expensive you obviously mean IDF lives.

Because your way of overthrowing Hamas would take years and cost thousands more IDF lives.

In the real world armies have always laid down heavy barrages of artillery on the areas they want to move into to soften up the opposing combatants and take away some of their advantages so that their soldiers don't take as heavy casualties.

 

[jason_recliner]

Yeah it's not a game of Call of Duty.

By expensive you obviously mean IDF lives.

Because your way of overthrowing Hamas would take years and cost thousands more IDF lives.

In the real world armies have always laid down heavy barrages of artillery on the areas they want to move into to soften up the opposing combatants and take away some of their advantages so that their soldiers don't take as heavy casualties.

No, armies don't always destroy civilian areas and populations. There would be more IDF lives lost but I was referring mainly to more time, more personnel, and more money. But Israel (and Gaza) would likely have a much better outcome, eventually. Guerilla warfare can continue even in very heavily damaged areas, unlike sustaining large populations, so heavy bombing and artillery campaigns on civilian areas do far more harm to the civilian residents than the terrorists (whose welfare is supported logisitically as much as possible, at the expense of the civilian populace). If Israel is serious about getting rid of Hamas they will probably need to fight door to door, eventually, at great expense, so they should have just done that and saved a lot of innocent lives.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Do you think the "low density areas" might be that way for a reason? e.g. maybe they cannot sustain a large population?

Omg seriously?

So you'd stay where Hamas are and high density?!