Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Aka poor African nations.

Not first world nations committing war crimes.

Once again, you’re not arguing they haven’t done it, you’re arguing a technicality that they shouldn’t be held responsible for it because <reasons>.

I’m arguing that an elected democracy in the middle of fighting an existential war is not within the ICC’s remit. In a war (started by the opposition) people are going to get killed, especially if combatants are hiding among them. Which the combatants could easily put a stop to but they obviously don’t want to and know that crying to the UN will produce the hostility to Israel that they want.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

But how about the Houthis? How do they fit into this oppressor/oppressed/colonisation/victims blah blah narrative? More importantly, how do they afford all these ballistic missiles they’re firing daily into a country one third the size of Tasmania? What should that little country do about it? Show restraint?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

But how about the Houthis? How do they fit into this oppressor/oppressed/colonisation/victims blah blah narrative? More importantly, how do they afford all these ballistic missiles they’re firing daily into a country one third the size of Tasmania? What should that little country do about it? Show restraint?

The Houthis are Rebels, kind of like the Ewoks were.

 

[Jazny]

The Houthis are Rebels, kind of like the Ewoks were.

Remember that scene in Star Wars where Ewoks were stealing aid from all the impoverished people on Endor and attacked their grain silos to hinder humanitarian efforts on their planet? Then they sold the aid on the black market to fund their Ewok terror organisation which targets civilians and holds them hostage indefinitely?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Remember that scene in Star Wars where Ewoks were stealing aid from all the impoverished people on Endor and attacked their grain silos to hinder humanitarian efforts on their planet? Then they sold the aid on the black market to fund their Ewok terror organisation which targets civilians and holds them hostage indefinitely?

That sounds more like the Trade Federation during the blockade of Naboo. The Ewoks weren't involved.

 

[Zidane98]

I’m arguing that an elected democracy in the middle of fighting an existential war is not within the ICC’s remit. In a war (started by the opposition) people are going to get killed, especially if combatants are hiding among them. Which the combatants could easily put a stop to but they obviously don’t want to and know that crying to the UN will produce the hostility to Israel that they want.

We've had this discussion. Palestine is under ICC mandate. War crime allegations are on Palestinian territory giving ICC jurisdiction .

It's that simple. Israel are allowed to still conduct their own investigation through their justice system. It isn't one or the other.

There can be no complaints at all about ICC arrest warrants.

 

[faible]

I’m arguing that an elected democracy in the middle of fighting an existential war is not within the ICC’s remit. In a war (started by the opposition) people are going to get killed, especially if combatants are hiding among them. Which the combatants could easily put a stop to but they obviously don’t want to and know that crying to the UN will produce the hostility to Israel that they want.

So once more, you’re not even trying to argue they’re not doing what they’re accused of. You just think it’s fine that they’re doing it because they’re an elected democracy or some such.

 

[jason_recliner]

I’m arguing that an elected democracy in the middle of fighting an existential war is not within the ICC’s remit. In a war (started by the opposition) people are going to get killed, especially if combatants are hiding among them. Which the combatants could easily put a stop to but they obviously don’t want to and know that crying to the UN will produce the hostility to Israel that they want.

Arguments are fact-based. That's uninformed ranting.

 

[jason_recliner]

UN Human Rights Office releases report on Israeli strikes on Gaza hospitals​

The 23-page report concluded that since the Hamas attacks of October 7 2023 against Israel, the conduct of hostilities in Gaza had "destroyed" local healthcare. "The destruction of the healthcare system in Gaza, and the extent of killing of patients, staff, and other civilians in these attacks, is a direct consequence of the disregard of international humanitarian and human rights law," it said.

The Israeli military did not immediately reply to a request for comment on the report. The Israeli military has previously accused Hamas of using hospitals as command centres for military operations and said people Israel has detained at the facilities were suspected militants. The UN report alluded to such arguments but said not enough information had been made public to substantiate them.

The report said deliberately directing attacks against hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are, provided they are not military objectives, would be war crimes. It also warned that a systemic pattern of rights abuses against civilians could constitute crimes against humanity.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01...-hospitals-condemns-israeli-attacks/104775646

 

[Kurve]

The report said deliberately directing attacks against hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are, provided they are not military objectives, would be war crimes. It also warned that a systemic pattern of rights abuses against civilians could constitute crimes against humanity.

This is probably key with any allegations defended on that basis.

 

[jason_recliner]

This is probably key with any allegations defended on that basis.

In most instances, Israel alleges that the hospitals were being improperly used for military purposes by Palestinian armed groups, the report states. However, insufficient information has so far been made available to substantiate these allegations, which have remained vague and broad, and in some cases appear contradicted by publicly available information.

...

The Israeli military’s first major operation against a hospital involved Al Shifa Medical Complex in November 2023. It raided the facility a second time in March 2024 leaving it in complete ruin by 1 April. Subsequent to the withdrawal by the Israeli military, three mass graves were reportedly found at the hospital, with at least 80 corpses retrieved, raising serious concerns that crimes under international law may have been committed. Some of these bodies were reportedly found with catheters and cannulas still attached, suggesting they had been patients.

In some of the attacks, the Israeli military likely used both heavy weapons and air dropped munitions with wide area effects, the report finds. It appears that an MK 83 munition was used in the 10 January airstrike in front of Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir al Balah, Middle Gaza. Reportedly, at least 12 people were killed, including a journalist and several IDPs, and 35 people were injured. The use of explosive weapons with wide-area effects in a densely populated area raises serious concerns of an indiscriminate attack.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

This is probably key with any allegations defended on that basis.

Destroying hospitals was our military objective!
- Benjamin Netanyahu's lawyer

 

[Kurve]

Destroying hospitals was our military objective!
- Benjamin Netanyahu's lawyer

It seems obvious given every time they target a hospital, there's a lot of noise created over socials about why with the reason always being, since the beginning, that Hamas uses hospitals to either hide their combatants in or to direct military operations from.

They know it's a war crime to target hospitals, so they will try to have themselves covered.

Have to wait and see if they get tested on it through the courts.

 

[faible]

It seems obvious given every time they target a hospital, there's a lot of noise created over socials about why with the reason always being, since the beginning, that Hamas uses hospitals to either hide their combatants in or to direct military operations from.

They know it's a war crime to target hospitals, so they will try to have themselves covered.

Have to wait and see if they get tested on it through the courts.

You’re giving a hell of a lot of credit to the Israeli leadership for having legal and valid reasons after everything we’ve seen from them.

They know it’s a war crime to target hospitals, they just don’t care because for decades the US vetoes any critical UN judgements and the recent ICC arrest warrants are the first time any world body has even attempted to hold their leadership accountable for the atrocities they commit.

 

[Zidane98]

You’re giving a hell of a lot of credit to the Israeli leadership for having legal and valid reasons after everything we’ve seen from them.

They know it’s a war crime to target hospitals, they just don’t care because for decades the US vetoes any critical UN judgements and the recent ICC arrest warrants are the first time any world body has even attempted to hold their leadership accountable for the atrocities they commit.

Incorrect statement.

Hospitals that are also used as military objectives by the enemy are legally able to be targeted in war. Otherwise everyone would just launch attacks from hospitals and use them as a form of immunity from return fire. Or "hospitals" would appear everywhere on the battlefield.

There is an onus on the aggressor to minimise civilian casualties of course.

Targeting hospitals in full knowledge that they are nothing but hospitals is absolutely a war crime. I don't see any objective evidence of Israel doing this though.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Incorrect statement.

Hospitals that are also used as military objectives by the enemy are legally able to be targeted in war. Otherwise everyone would just launch attacks from hospitals and use them as a form of immunity from return fire. Or "hospitals" would appear everywhere on the battlefield.

There is an onus on the aggressor to minimise civilian casualties of course.

Targeting hospitals in full knowledge that they are nothing but hospitals is absolutely a war crime. I don't see any objective evidence of Israel doing this though.

Have you seen any objective evidence that these hospitals, Kamal Adwan for example which has just been assaulted and put out of service, are being used as military objectives?

Do you think the IDF can kill patients and medical staff and justify it by putting out a statement that the hospital is a 'key stronghold for terrorist organisations and continues to be used as a hideout for terrorist operatives'?

Bear in mind that hospitals can treat combatants without losing their protected status.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Israel has targeted over 100,000 different buildings, each one allegedly contained a Hamas command center.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[Zidane98]

Have you seen any objective evidence that these hospitals, Kamal Adwan for example which has just been assaulted and put out of service, are being used as military objectives?

Do you think the IDF can kill patients and medical staff and justify it by putting out a statement that the hospital is a 'key stronghold for terrorist organisations and continues to be used as a hideout for terrorist operatives'?

Bear in mind that hospitals can treat combatants without losing their protected status.

A hospital being used for military purposes can be targeted.

A hospital that isn't being used for military purposes cannot.

It's that simple.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

A hospital being used for military purposes can be targeted.

A hospital that isn't being used for military purposes cannot.

It's that simple.

I know you like to claim everything is simple, I guess it makes it easier for you to try and understand, but you've dumbed it down to the point of uselessness. It really just comes off as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

And you didn't answer my question.

You claim to have seen no evidence that Israel is targeting hospitals that aren't being used for Hamas command centres - the conclusions we can draw from this are;

• That you've seen proof that Kamal Adwan was being used by Hamas to plan military actions
  
• You don't need to see any proof to believe the IDF are justified in attacking Kamal Adwan

Which is it?

 

[Zidane98]

I know you like to claim everything is simple, I guess it makes it easier for you to try and understand, but you've dumbed it down to the point of uselessness. It really just comes off as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

And you didn't answer my question.

You claim to have seen no evidence that Israel is targeting hospitals that aren't being used for Hamas command centres - the conclusions we can draw from this are;

• That you've seen proof that Kamal Adwan was being used by Hamas to plan military actions
• You don't need to see any proof to believe the IDF are justified in attacking Kamal Adwan

Which is it?

Neither. I'll repeat- I have seen no evidence of Israel targetting hospitals that they were fully aware was absolutely not used for military operations in any way.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Neither. I'll repeat- I have seen no evidence of Israel targetting hospitals that they were fully aware was absolutely not used for military operations in any way.

Wow. Thankyou for your clarification, but I think you've made a pretty dramatic error of law.

You are now saying that Israel only need to suspect that a hospital is being used for military operations, for that hospital to become a valid target for assault.

You're happy for Israel to attack hospitals, even if they're only 75% sure they aren't being used by Hamas, as long as they aren't fully aware there's no Hamas.

That seems pretty extreme.

Can I ask - what would evidence that Israel attacked a hospital while fully aware it wasn't Hamas even look like?

How would such evidence come into your vision?

 

[Zidane98]

Wow. Thankyou for your clarification, but I think you've made a pretty dramatic error of law.

You are now saying that Israel only need to suspect that a hospital is being used for military operations, for that hospital to become a valid target for assault.

You're happy for Israel to attack hospitals, even if they're only 75% sure they aren't being used by Hamas, as long as they aren't fully aware there's no Hamas.

That seems pretty extreme.

Can I ask - what would evidence that Israel attacked a hospital while fully aware it wasn't Hamas even look like?

How would such evidence come into your vision?

I'm not happy for any attacks to happen at all.


It does sound like you boebe Hamas should be allowed free reign to launch terror attacks, use hospital as military bases absolutely immune from any military action.

Do you believe beyond doubt that Hamas would never ever use a hospital as cover for military operations ? You do seem to believe they are a legitimate resistance to occupiers from the stuff you post.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I'm not happy for any attacks to happen at all.

You're in here proclaiming Israel is justified in its attacks!

You've not seen any evidence Israel is attacking hospitals while fully aware they are not being used by Hamas!

Unless you're now backtracking and agreeing that the above is actually a nonsense statement?

It does sound like you boebe Hamas should be allowed free reign to launch terror attacks, use hospital as military bases absolutely immune from any military action.

Do you believe beyond doubt that Hamas would never ever use a hospital as cover for military operations ? You do seem to believe they are a legitimate resistance to occupiers from the stuff you post.

Oh yeah you're backtracking.

 

[Zidane98]

You're in here proclaiming Israel is justified in its attacks!

You've not seen any evidence Israel is attacking hospitals while fully aware they are not being used by Hamas!

Unless you're now backtracking and agreeing that the above is actually a nonsense statement?



Oh yeah you're backtracking.

I'm not claiming anything of the sort

Where as you are saying Hamas are free to use hospitals as military bases to launch attacks on Israel as they please with a guarantee that those who they are attacking cannot respond.

Sounds like you believe Hamas can do as they please in the name of "resistance" and are really just after peace for the good citizens of Gaza.