Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[faible]

Your responses include an attempt to blame Israel even though it is obvious that Israel is not responsible.

Source?

Of course you know that this source is heavily anti-Israel. Doesn't take much effort to find this

I would dispute that being 'anti-Israel' and being an organisation that supports Palestinian self-determination are the same thing. I would also dispute that demanding Israeli leadership who have committed war crimes be held to account is Anti-Israeli.

FA have provided a significant level of detail to support their analysis. Hand waving it all away by going 'anti-Israel' is quite an interesting tactic.

Instead of blaming Hamas for the murder of Gazan civilians

There's many thousands of Gazan children Hamas definitely didn't bomb.

Despite all of this, I've repeatedly, since the very outset, made my thoughts on Hamas clear.

So once more, you claim I'm 'mask-off' with my posting on Hamas. What do you mean? Be clear.

 

[DapperDon]

It's weird how defensive and angry they get when I say what Hamas is: a racist terrorist organisations that seeks the destruction of Israel.

Really?

This is what you think is the discussion point? C'mon Jazny, don't go full Zidane

 

[Jazny]

I don't think I've seen any of the usual suspects condemn Hamas for murder of Palestinian civilians. It's all ignored in favor of anti-Israel rhetoric.

They struggle to call out Hamas for anything. Some won't admit Hamas use human shields, use hospitals, commit rape, steal aid, want to exterminate Israel, have a racist ideology, have made Gaza a worse place since their coming to power and on and on. Get a lot of pushback on these claims which are all true.

Weirdly get deeply upset if you characterise some posters as anti-Israel. I mean, if you believe Israel is committing genocide and is an apartheid state, not sure how those aren't anti-Israeli positions. Would you be neutral towards a country thats committing genocide and apartheid? That's not even to get into the deeply weird anti-Israeli conspiracy theories some of them harbour (or previously harboured) like Israel had a policy of stealing Yemini babies to give to white jews, Israel ordered the Hannibal Directive on October 7th which permitted the killing of Israeli hostages by the IDF then the covered it up, Israel fabricated rape stories to make Hamas look worse than they already do, Israel lobby groups control Australia and America and so on.

These sets of beliefs, if summed up as "anti-Israel", is like really out of order apparently

 

[DapperDon]

They struggle to call out Hamas for anything. Some won't admit Hamas use human shields, use hospitals, commit rape, steal aid, want to exterminate Israel, have a racist ideology, have made Gaza a worse place since their coming to power and on and on. Get a lot of pushback on these claims which are all true.

Weirdly get deeply upset if you characterise some posters as anti-Israel. I mean, if you believe Israel is committing genocide and is an apartheid state, not sure how those aren't anti-Israeli positions. Would you be neutral towards a country thats committing genocide and apartheid? That's not even to get into the deeply weird anti-Israeli conspiracy theories some of them harbour like Israel had a policy of stealing Yemini babies to give to white jews, Israel ordered the Hannibal Directive on October 7th which permitted the killing of Israeli hostages by the IDF then the covered it up, Israel fabricated rape stories to make Hamas look worse than they already do, Israel lobby groups control Australia and America and so on.

These sets of beliefs, if summed up as "anti-Israel", is like really out of order apparently

Sigh

 

[faible]

Meanwhile, as regards the ngo-monitor website, they even have a wikipedia link!

NGO Monitor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who to believe.

 

[faible]

One can take issue with Israeli leadership without taking issue with the entire country, let alone the entire Jewish dispora worldwide.

This shouldn't be complicated to understand but would involve recognising people opposed to the actions of the IDF in Gaza, and supportive of the Palestinians right to self-determination, aren't in fact, pro-Hamas as certain posters like to paint them.

 

[Jazny]

Sigh

You give bad faith takes like this...

Most of us: I wish Israel would stop it's relentless bombing of the Gaza strip

3 stooges of the thread: WHY DO YOU HATE JEWZ AND SUPPORT TERRORISTS??

And expect me to provide you with any charitable interpretation of anything you have said?

Point to anything I have said today, prior to you saying this, that is either wrong, or provoked the reaction I got from yourself and Faible, and then I will try and give you guys the benefit of the doubt. All I can see is I made some straight forward claims and you guys inexplicably getting defensive and having a little hate therapy session over it. What provoked it? My too much Norm Finklestien jibe?

 

[faible]

You give bad faith takes like this...

And expect me to provide you with any charitable interpretation of anything you have said?

Point to anything I have said today, prior to you saying this, that is either wrong, or provoked the reaction I got from yourself and Faible, and then I will try and give you guys the benefit of the doubt. All I can see is I made some straight forward claims and you guys inexplicably getting defensive and having a little hate therapy session over it. What provoked it? My too much Norm Finklestien jibe?

Simple version: Behave like Zidane, get treated like Zidane.

 

[Zidane98]

Meanwhile, as regards the ngo-monitor website, they even have a wikipedia link!

NGO Monitor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who to believe.

Definitely not the website that has a director who forcibly had to retract an accusation that Jewish homes had red roof tiles installed to prevent being bombed.

That's your source you quoted.

 

[faible]

Definitely not the website that has a director who forcibly had to retract an accusation that Jewish homes had red roof tiles installed to prevent being bombed.

That's your source you quoted.

FA have provided a significant level of detail to support their analysis. Hand waving it all away by going 'anti-Israel' is quite an interesting tactic.

 

[Jazny]

Simple version: Behave like Zidane, get treated like Zidane.

Doesn't phase me at all. But if you use bad faith, just don't appeal to my good faith. I am just super curious what set you off. Was it the anti-Israel comment or my comments about Hamas? Do you disagree with my comments on Hamas? Do you think it's unfair to label people who hold anti-Israeli views as "anti-Israel"?

 

[faible]

Doesn't phase me at all. But if you use bad faith, just don't appeal to my good faith. I am just super curious what set you off. Was it the anti-Israel comment or my comments about Hamas? Do you disagree with my comments on Hamas? Do you think it's unfair to label people who hold anti-Israeli views as "anti-Israel"?

I found it funny that you went full Zidane. You clearly misinterpret things, I'm sitting here chuckling.

I appreciate that you've gone full mask-off today. Long may it continue.

 

[Zidane98]

Incredible you're defending the use of FA as a source in any investigation involving Israel.

Anyone prepared to do so is acting in bad faith, especially as recognised organisations like HRW, AP state to the contrary.

Meanwhile hundreds of Palestinians were murdered by Hamas in this war crime that you clearly will not hold Hamas responsible for.

 

[Zidane98]

Dishonestable really living up to his / her reputation today.

 

[faible]

Incredible you're defending the use of FA as a source in any investigation involving Israel.

Anyone prepared to do so is acting in bad faith, especially as recognised organisations like HRW, AP state to the contrary.

Meanwhile hundreds of Palestinians were murdered by Hamas in this war crime that you clearly will not hold Hamas responsible for.

So to clarify, you'll dismiss anything from FA but all the random tweets you post are fine?

 

[faible]

So once more, you claim I'm 'mask-off' with my posting on Hamas. What do you mean? Be clear.

Zidane98

You made this claim. You demanded a 'put up or shut up' standard.

Any chance? You seem to keep dodging posts that ask you to 'put up or shut up' statements you make despite you being the one who demanded it.

 

[DapperDon]

They struggle to call out Hamas for anything.

You give bad faith takes like this...

And expect me to provide you with any charitable interpretation of anything you have said?

Point to anything I have said today, prior to you saying this, that is either wrong, or provoked the reaction I got from yourself and Faible, and then I will try and give you guys the benefit of the doubt. All I can see is I made some straight forward claims and you guys inexplicably getting defensive and having a little hate therapy session over it. What provoked it? My too much Norm Finklestien jibe?

 

[faible]

Kurve

Coming back to your post the other day;

House Passes Bill to Impose Sanctions on I.C.C. Officials for Israeli Prosecutions

The action put the measure on track for likely enactment given strong support for it among Republicans, who now control the Senate, and President-elect Donald J. Trump.

www.nytimes.com

The bill instructs the president to freeze property assets and deny visas to any foreigners who materially or financially contributed to the court’s efforts to “investigate, arrest, detain or prosecute a protected person.” Protected persons are defined as all current and former military and government officials of the United States and allies that have not consented to the court’s jurisdiction, such as Israel.

The measure is one of several that were pushed through the House by Republicans last year but died in the Democratic-led Senate, and is now all but certain to be enacted now that Republicans control both chambers of Congress and Mr. Trump is taking office on Jan. 20.

Sounds pretty broad brush, Amal Clooney for example, was part of the ICC investigation;

'Amal Clooney is nowhere to be found': How the famous lawyer silenced her critics on her Gaza stance

Amal Clooney is arguably one of the most famous faces of human rights law. However, social media users grew frustrated in recent months by what they claimed was her silence on the Israel-Gaza war. Those critics have now been silenced.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kurve]

Sounds pretty broad brush, Amal Clooney for example, was part of the ICC investigation;

That will be interesting. The Clooneys together own property in New York and California, Amal a 'foreigner' born in Lebanon and arrived in the UK as a refugee.

 

[faible]

That will be interesting. The Clooneys together own property in New York and California, Amal a 'foreigner' born in Lebanon and arrived in the UK as a refugee.

George is also a high profile Democrat, so whilst the 'rich person' factor means they probably won't be targeted, maybe they will.

 

[Zidane98]

Zidane98

You made this claim. You demanded a 'put up or shut up' standard.

Any chance? You seem to keep dodging posts that ask you to 'put up or shut up' statements you make despite you being the one who demanded it.

I've already proven you chose to blame Hamas murdering hundreds of Gazans on Israel by choosing to quote a source that is cleraly anti-Israel that shock horror - blames Israel.



Even has a director that had to retract an accusation published in the guardian that Jewish homes had red roof tiles to ensure they were protected from air strikes.


I've put up, unlike certain other dishonest posters that still haven't.

 

[Jazny]

I found it funny that you went full Zidane. You clearly misinterpret things, I'm sitting here chuckling.

I appreciate that you've gone full mask-off today. Long may it continue.

Can you point to something I said today that I wouldn't have said another day? I feel the "I hate Hamas and other terrorist organisations and dislike people apologising for them" is something I am incredibly open about.

 

[faible]

you chose to blame Hamas murdering hundreds of Gazans on Israel by choosing to quote a source that is clearly anti-Israel that shock horror - blames Israel.

Note: this is opinion, not a factual statement.

FA do provide a very detailed analysis of the Al-Ahli Hospital incident which I believe I've linked previously;

Forensic Architecture

forensic-architecture.org

Their conclusions appear to be detailed in this section:

While what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive, it is clear that in the aftermath of the explosion, the Israeli military launched an aggressive disinformation campaign.

As it stands, Israel has yet to provide any conclusive visual evidence to support the claim that the source of the deadly blast at al-Ahli hospital was a Hamas or PIJ rocket.

It is also worth noting that four days before the explosion at al-Ahli, on 13 October, Israel ordered the evacuation of all northern hospitals, including al-Ahli; and the following day, an Israeli strike on the hospital’s cancer treatment ward was confirmed by Al-Haq (Israel is known to issue warning strikes prior to full scale attacks). This incident was hardly an anomaly. In the ten days prior, the World Health Organisation (WHO) reported 51 attacks on medical infrastructure in Gaza.

By aggregating news reports from Al-Jazeera, Alaraby, and Shehab News since 7 October, our analysis shows that Israeli intimidation and attacks on medical infrastructure, including hospitals, has been systematic and unrelenting, following a consistent pattern defined by attacks on the surrounding area, direct targeting, siege, and occupation.

You're welcome to hand-wave it all away, if you like. They don't attribute blame for that incident to Israel, despite your claim.

 

[Zidane98]

One can take issue with Israeli leadership without taking issue with the entire country, let alone the entire Jewish dispora worldwide.

This shouldn't be complicated to understand but would involve recognising people opposed to the actions of the IDF in Gaza, and supportive of the Palestinians right to self-determination, aren't in fact, pro-Hamas as certain posters like to paint them.

Nobody has linked the rights of Palestiinian self determination to being Pro Hamas.

Another bad faith post.

 

[faible]

Nobody has linked the rights of Palestiinian self determination to being Pro Hamas.

Another bad faith post.

It was an and, not an or;

people opposed to the actions of the IDF in Gaza, and supportive of the Palestinians right to self-determination