Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




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[Zidane98]

Al Jazeera are a credible source, like Fox News in America, or even Sky News Australia, if they are just reporting factual information like: An airstrike happened here. Or a person said X, Y and Z. If Al Jazeera says a strike happened, an airstrike probably happened. I would give them not much credibility when it comes to opinions and analysis though.

They've been ousted from news coverage in West Bank by PA too. Seemingly because of their links to Hamas and how they've reported Hamas actions in West Bank (attacking PA security forces, attacking hospitals in West Bank) and their links to Hamas in general

Al Jazeera slams Palestinian Authority move to suspend West Bank operations

The network says the PA’s decision is ‘in line with the [Israeli] occupation’s actions against its staff’.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[faible]

If Al Jazeera says a strike happened, an airstrike probably happened.

Precisely. Kurve was asking to verify the posted tweet from other sources.

Amusingly, both AJ and Times of Israel are largely just reporting on information provided by Lebanon's NNA. Which can mostly be backtracked to the short reports here (no idea if the Lebanese language reports have further details):

https://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/en/2/security-law

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

They've been ousted from news coverage in West Bank by PA too. Seemingly because of their links to Hamas and how they've reported Hamas actions in West Bank (attacking PA security forces, attacking hospitals in West Bank) and their links to Hamas in general

Al Jazeera slams Palestinian Authority move to suspend West Bank operations

The network says the PA’s decision is ‘in line with the [Israeli] occupation’s actions against its staff’.

www.aljazeera.com

Thanks AJ Arabic.

AJ English is reliable.

 

[Zidane98]

It's good that they feel like they can speak out.

 

[Zidane98]

Reports that Mohammed Sinwar is now leader of Hamas in Gaza which is concerning

 

[Deliverance]

Do you have another source for this information?

Press TV fails credibility checks.

Most media outlets do, as do plenty of Twitter accounts.

 

[Kurve]

Most media outlets do, as do plenty of Twitter accounts.

Sure but Press TV jumped out at me as notorious for bad information because I've checked them before. There are other more reliable sources.

 

[faible]

Most media outlets do, as do plenty of Twitter accounts.

At the time that tweet was posted yesterday there wasn't much else

 

[Zidane98]

Another thing to note - the current ceasefire being discussed is very similar to the ceasefire that passed the UN Security Council in June last year (UNSC resolution 2735) that was tabled by the US:

Link to resolution below:

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/165/11/pdf/n2416511.pdf

Excerpt of text from this resolution:


United Nations S/RES/2735 (2024)
Security Council Distr.: General
10 June 2024
24-10326 (E)
2410326

Resolution 2735 (2024)

Adopted by the Security Council at its 9650th meeting, on
10 June 2024
The Security Council,

Reaffirming the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Recalling all its relevant resolutions on the situation in the Middle East,
including the Palestinian question,

Underscoring the importance of the ongoing diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Qatar,
and the United States aimed at reaching a comprehensive ceasefire deal, consisting
of three phases,

1. Welcomes the new ceasefire proposal announced on May 31, which Israel
accepted, calls upon Hamas to also accept it, and urges both parties to fully implement
its terms without delay and without condition;


Also from this resolution


S/RES/2735 (2024)
24-103262/2
4. Stresses the importance of the parties adhering to the terms of this proposal
once agreed and calls upon all Member States and the United Nations to support its
implementation;

5. Rejects any attempt at demographic or territorial change in the Gaza Strip,
including any actions that reduce the territory of Gaza;

6. Reiterates its unwavering commitment to the vision of the two-State
solution where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace
within secure and recognized borders, consistent with international law and relevant
UN resolutions, and in this regard stresses the importance of unifying the Gaza Strip
with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authorit


Item 6 in my opinion is why Hamas did not accept this proposal as it would effectively end its rule over Gaza.


Most of the current ceasefire conditions being reported are almost identical to this official UNSC resolution except for the part about a unified Palestine working alongside Israel for a permanent two state solution.

 

[faible]

Some interesting comments in the NYT article regarding obstacles to ceasefire discussions;

Israel-Gaza Cease-Fire Talks and Hostage Release Negotiations Gain Momentum: What to Know

President Biden said negotiators appeared to be on “the brink” of an agreement to end the fighting and free the hostages held by Hamas.

www.nytimes.com

What are the biggest obstacles?

• A major hurdle to the success of the talks has been the permanency of a cease-fire. While Hamas has demanded a comprehensive end to the war, Mr. Netanyahu has said he wants a “partial” deal that would allow Israel to resume the war after freeing hostages.
• Israel has been demanding vague language in the text of an agreement that leaves room for a resumption of fighting at some point, according to a Palestinian familiar with the matter and two Israeli officials. Mr. Netanyahu has feared that his right-wing coalition partners could take down his government and jeopardize his political future if he agrees to a deal that ends the war, analysts say.
• In a post on X on Monday, Bezalel Smotrich, the Israeli finance minister, described “the emerging deal” as “a catastrophe for the national security” of Israel and declared he would not support it.
• Hamas has not suggested that it would be willing to compromise on its demand to end the war. Osama Hamdan, a senior Hamas official, told a gathering in Algeria last week that there must be “an absolute end to the aggression.”
• Another hurdle has been how far into Gaza Israel will be allowed to carry out military operations in the first phase of an agreement. Israel had wanted the ability to maneuver up to 1.5 kilometers, or about a mile, into the enclave, the two Israeli officials and the Palestinian familiar with the matter said. Hamas had wanted any incursions limited to within 500 meters of the border, according to the Palestinian.
• The Israeli officials, however, have now been saying that the emerging agreement would allow Israel to maintain a buffer zone in Gaza during its implementation and that Israeli forces would not leave the territory until the release of all hostages.
• Israel has demanded a list from Hamas of which hostages are still alive. Without that, Israeli officials say, there can be no agreement on how many Palestinian prisoners Israel would be willing to release in exchange. As of Sunday morning, Israel had not received such a list, according to an official familiar with the matter.
• Last week, Hamas representatives indicated that the group had approved an Israeli list of 34 hostages to be released in the first stage of an agreement, but it did not specify how many of them were alive. On Wednesday, the Israeli authorities announced that the body of one of the hostages whose name appeared on the list— Youssef Ziyadne, 53, an Arab citizen of Israel — had been found in Gaza.
• On Monday, Israeli officials confirmed that the number of hostages to be released in the first stage was 33 and said their assessment was that most of them were alive.
• But Hamas has agreed to Israel’s request to include 11 contested individuals on the list of hostages to be released in the first phase of a deal. Israel classifies them as civilians, but Hamas considers them soldiers, according to the two Israeli officials and the Palestinian. Israel is weighing Hamas’s demand that the 11 be treated as soldiers who would be exchanged for a higher number of Palestinian prisoners than those released for civilian hostages.

 

[Zidane98]

Some interesting comments in the NYT article regarding obstacles to ceasefire discussions;

Israel-Gaza Cease-Fire Talks and Hostage Release Negotiations Gain Momentum: What to Know

President Biden said negotiators appeared to be on “the brink” of an agreement to end the fighting and free the hostages held by Hamas.

www.nytimes.com

While these are all hearsay the official UNSC resolution document from a US tabled resolution is hard to dispute. Can't get a more reliable source than an official UN Security resolution that was passed. I am sure even you will agree on this part.

 

[faible]

While these are all hearsay the official UNSC resolution document from a US tabled resolution is hard to dispute. Can't get a more reliable source than an official UN Security resolution that was passed. I am sure even you will agree on this part.

That's nice Zidane. When the final full-text of the document is released and we can compare it to the UNSC tabled resolution to see how similar they are, it might even be relevant.

 

[Zidane98]

That's nice Zidane. When the final full-text of the document is released and we can compare it to the UNSC tabled resolution to see how similar they are, it might even be relevant.

See, we can agree that the UN is a pretty solid source. Progress!

 

[Zidane98]

Ongoing in West Bank

 

[Ghost Patrol]

See, we can agree that the UN is a pretty solid source. Progress!

What are your thoughts on that long list of UN resolutions that Israel haven't complied with over many years?

 

[Zidane98]

One thing I have to say is

What are your thoughts on that long list of UN resolutions that Israel haven't complied with over many years?

Send them to prison.

 

[Zidane98]

Don't see why permanence of a ceasefire should be a factor at all here in my opinion. Any ceasefire that can be agreed is a good one. Further ceasefires can always be negotiated down the track. Stop the fighting, assistance to civilians needs to be the first & foremost priority.


Shouldn't be too hard to compromise on the alleged buffer zone demands (Hamas wants 500m, Israel 1500m, surely meet in the middle at 1000m).



Smotrich is irrelevant in cease fire discussions. He's basically a anti-Palestinian RWNJ If he had his way he would flatten Gaza with a nuke. Thankfully he has no say in the ceasefire negotiations and hopefully is gone from the Knesset after the next elections.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Don't see why permanence of a ceasefire should be a factor at all here in my opinion. Any ceasefire that can be agreed is a good one. Further ceasefires can always be negotiated down the track. Stop the fighting, assistance to civilians needs to be the first & foremost priority.


Shouldn't be too hard to compromise on the alleged buffer zone demands (Hamas wants 500m, Israel 1500m, surely meet in the middle at 1000m).

You should be in Qatar.

Smotrich is irrelevant in cease fire discussions. He's basically a anti-Palestinian RWNJ If he had his way he would flatten Gaza with a nuke. Thankfully he has no say in the ceasefire negotiations and hopefully is gone from the Knesset after the next elections.

It's Ben-Gvir who has threatened to walk out on the government, while Smotrich will stay.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Impressive stuff from the Americans, finally bringing their pets to heel.

 

[Jazny]

Impressive stuff from the Americans, finally bringing their pets to heel.

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If only Iran was half the nation America is and had their pets inline, none of this would have happened

 

[faible]

none of this would have happened

Nakba - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Jazny]

Nakba - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How does that follow?

 

[faible]

How does that follow?

It’s a bit more complex than Iran.

 

[Jazny]

It’s a bit more complex than Iran.

The world's a complex place, but as far as this war which started on October 7th goes, it's pretty simple. If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, it wouldn't have happened. You can make the same argument for the Nakba. There were events that preceded it too. Your point was odd.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The world's a complex place, but as far as this war which started on October 7th goes, it's pretty simple. If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, it wouldn't have happened. You can make the same argument for the Nakba. There were events that preceded it too. Your point was odd.

What, pray tell, justified the Nakba?