Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




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[Jazny]

What, pray tell, justified the Nakba?

Do you think faible is saying that the Nakba justified October 7th?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Do you think faible is saying that the Nakba justified October 7th?

OK - why did the Nakba happen?

 

[faible]

it's pretty simple

There were events that preceded it

You're getting there

 

[Jazny]

You're getting there

If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, none of the following war would have happened. True or false?

 

[DapperDon]

If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, none of the following war would have happened. True or false?

Gaza would still be Gaza Prison, IDF would take shots at kids walking to school for fun, many would be arressted and held without charge for months on end, beaten, r*ped while being held. Land would be stolen, families terrorised and forcibly moved by IDF settler proxies. Illegal settlers would rampage and murder familes while they slept.

Though yes, Oct 07 wouldn't be a thing. True

 

[faible]

If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, none of the following war would have happened. True or false?

If you want to create a completely unrealistic, overly simplified hypothetical, that doesn't at all reflect the reality, in order to completely ignore any and all relevant history. Then sure, you could claim that a true statement.

 

[DapperDon]

 

[Jazny]

If you want to create a completely unrealistic, overly simplified hypothetical, that does at all reflect the reality, in order to completely ignore any and all relevant history. Then sure, you could claim that a true statement.

It's unrealistic that Hamas just don't commit October 7th?

 

[DapperDon]

Can't let the kids be educated

 

[DapperDon]

It's unrealistic that Hamas just don't commit October 7th?

It would be great if Oct 07 never happened.

Would you think it unrealistic that if Hamas never needed to exist Oct 07 never would have happened?

 

[faible]

It's unrealistic that Hamas just don't commit October 7th?

Overly Simplistic Jazny that deliberately misrepresents what's written is the Jazny persona today I see.

 

[Jazny]

It would be great if Oct 07 never happened.

Would you think it unrealistic that if Hamas never needed to exist Oct 07 never would have happened?

Hamas never needed to exist. They are a blight and contribute nothing good to the world or their own people.

Do you think it's unrealistic that if the thousands of Jews killed by Arabs since the British mandate, a list of incidents so long I can't even begin to copy paste the ones even since 1987, Israel would feel more secure and not need to occupy the west bank and Gaza to the extent they do?

 

[Zidane98]

See the usual suspects resorting to vague whataboutisms and justifications about Oct 7.


This thread is about the current Gaza war starting Oct 7 2023. Something a group of posters seemingly fail to grasp with regularity and most likely deliberately.

 

[Jazny]

Overly Simplistic Jazny that deliberately misrepresents what's written is the Jazny persona today I see.

You made the argument that the hypothetical scenario where Hamas don't attack Israel on October 7th was unrealistic. How am I misrepresenting you?

You can argue it's too simplistic and you have to go back to the Nakba. Sure, you can defend that argument maybe. Then of course its too simplistic to start at the Nakba, why not the events and incidents that preceded it? But why stop there? Because those had antecedents too. Exactly how far back to we need to go before a group like Hamas can be held accountable for the unjustifiable atrocity they committed which started a war that brought misery to everyone in the region. Iran likely could have dissuaded all of this.

 

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[faible]

Meanwhile;

Israel and Hamas Near Agreement on Cease-Fire Deal, Qatar Says

The negotiations, mediated by Qatar, Egypt and the United States, appear to be making progress after months of failed attempts to achieve a breakthrough.

www.nytimes.com

Israel and Hamas are “on the brink” of agreeing to declare a cease-fire in Gaza and release hostages held there, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said on Tuesday, raising hopes for some respite to the violence after more than 15 months of war.

“It’s right on the brink, it’s closer than it’s ever been before,” Mr. Blinken said at an Atlantic Council event in Washington. “But right now as we sit here we await final word from Hamas on its acceptance. And until we get that word, we’ll remain on the brink.”

Neither Israeli nor Hamas officials have publicly confirmed their position on the cease-fire proposal, although Mr. Blinken suggested that Israel was on board with the agreement and that its fate now rested with Hamas.

Qatar says Gaza ceasefire deal at ‘closest point’ yet

Israel has killed at least 61 Palestinians in Gaza in the past 24 hours, the enclave’s Health Ministry says.

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An official from the Palestinian group told the Reuters news agency that it has not delivered its response to mediators yet because Israel did not submit maps of its forces’ withdrawal from Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/negotiators-seek-finalise-gaza-ceasefire-deal-after-breakthrough-doha-2025-01-13/

However, after more than eight hours of talks, a senior Hamas official told Reuters late on Tuesday that the Palestinian group was still waiting for Israel to submit maps showing how its forces would withdraw from Gaza.

"(Hamas) hasn't delivered its response yet (to the ceasefire plan) because the occupation (Israel) has not submitted the maps that will show the areas to which its forces will withdraw," said the official, who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue.

He added the maps included Israeli withdrawals from the Netzarim area in the middle of the Gaza Strip, to allow the return of the displaced people to their homes, Jabalia in the north of the tiny territory, the Philadelphi road along the southern border with Egypt, and Rafah, also near that border.

Also of interest is:

The Haaretz article is paywalled but includes most of what's below as well:

Qatar says Gaza ceasefire deal at ‘closest point’ yet

Israel has killed at least 61 Palestinians in Gaza in the past 24 hours, the enclave’s Health Ministry says.

aje.io

Blinken criticises Israeli policies towards Palestinians

Despite providing billions of dollars to Israel and voting against several UN resolutions aimed at ending the Israeli occupation, the US has issued a rare criticism of Israeli policies towards Palestinians.

Blinken said Israel must acknowledge that Palestinians will never accept “being a non-people without national rights”.

“Israelis must abandon the myth that they can carry out de facto annexation without cost and consequence to Israel’s democracy, to its standing, to its security,” he said.

Blinken added that establishing “time-bound” conditions for Palestinian statehood will allow other countries to provide the security forces and financial support for the Gaza “day after” plan.

The top US diplomat also criticised Israel for withholding Palestinian taxes from the PA, the “unprecedented growth in illegal outposts” in the occupied West Bank and the rise in settler violence.

Despite such criticism, the Biden administration has provided Israel with a record amount of military assistance, promising “ironclad” US support for the Israeli government.

Qatar says Gaza ceasefire deal at ‘closest point’ yet

Israel has killed at least 61 Palestinians in Gaza in the past 24 hours, the enclave’s Health Ministry says.

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Blinken outlines US ‘day after’ plan for Gaza

The top US diplomat says the outgoing Biden administration has a plan for Gaza after the end of the war that it will hand over to its successors in the Trump team.

Here are the key elements of the plan as revealed by Blinken:

• International partners would help the Palestinian Authority (PA) establish an interim administration to oversee the civil affairs in Gaza, including water, energy, healthcare and banking.
• The interim administration would hand over full control of Gaza to a “reformed” PA as soon as possible.
• An interim security force that would include troops from “partner nations” would help create “a secure environment for humanitarian and reconstruction efforts” and prevent weapon smuggling by Hamas.
• The US would establish an initiative “to train, to equip, to vet a PA-led security force for Gaza to focus on law and order and gradually take over for the interim security mission”.
• Israel has previously rejected allowing the PA to take over Gaza. It is also unclear whether Hamas would accept allowing foreign security forces to oversee policing and border crossing in the territory.

 

[faible]

You made the argument that the hypothetical scenario where Hamas don't attack Israel on October 7th was unrealistic. How am I misrepresenting you?

deliberately misrepresents what's written

Let's not waste a page doing this. You know you're doing it. I know you're doing it.

 

[Jazny]

Let's not waste a page doing this. You know you're doing it. I know you're doing it.

I added to the post. But no, I know what you're doing. Instead of admitting you made a bad argument saying it was unrealistic, you're trying to say I'm bad faith but you can't explain how I am bad faith.

 

[faible]

I added to the post. But no, I know what you're doing. Instead of admitting you made a bad argument saying it was unrealistic, you're trying to say I'm bad faith but you can't explain how I am bad faith.

You've deliberately misrepresented my comment. You're aware you're doing this.

There's no need to waste a page of posts going back and forth about it. I know it, you know it, most people reading know it.

 

[Jazny]

You've deliberately misrepresented my comment. You're aware you're doing this.

No, I am not. Explain how I misrepresented your comment.

 

[faible]

No, I am not. Explain how I misrepresented your comment.

There's no need to waste a page of posts going back and forth about it.

 

[Jazny]

I rest my case. We can move on to the next topic.

 

[Deliverance]

The world's a complex place, but as far as this war which started on October 7th goes, it's pretty simple. If Iran's proxies didn't attack Israel on October 7th, it wouldn't have happened. You can make the same argument for the Nakba. There were events that preceded it too. Your point was odd.

Holy ****ing shitballs. We're back to "this began on October 7th" again. Completely dismissive of all events and history that have been explained ad nauseam.

Reset button must have been hit again.

 

[faible]

As my previous post mentions, Blinken was pretty scathing towards Israel on a number of points, highly unusual for anyone speaking on behalf of the US Government:

The bolded in particular.

Blinken slams Israeli and Palestinian leadership, says Israelis 'must abandon' annexation

***

www.haaretz.com

Blinken further noted that Israel will have to accept reuniting Gaza and the West Bank under the leadership of a reformed PA. "All must embrace a time-bound, conditions-based path toward forming an independent Palestinian state. These principles are mutually reinforcing," he continued, painstakingly detailing missteps from both parties.

"Israelis must decide what relationship they want with the Palestinians. That cannot be the illusion that Palestinians will accept being a non-people without national rights," he said.

"Israelis must abandon the myth they can carry out de facto annexation without cost and consequence to Israel's democracy, its standing, its security," he continued.

"Up to this point, the parties have failed to make these difficult decisions or acted in ways that put a long-term deal and peace further out of reach," he said, charging Israel with "systematically undermining the capacity and legitimacy of the only viable alternative to Hamas – the Palestinian Authority."

"Israel continues to hold back PA tax revenues that it collects on behalf of the Palestinians – funds that belong to the Palestinians and that the PA needs to pay people that provide essential services."

In the West Bank, meanwhile, Blinken noted that Israel is expanding official settlements and nationalizing land at a faster rate than at any time in the last decade while "turning a blind eye to the unprecedented growth of illegal outposts," adding that "violent attacks by extremist settlers against Palestinian civilians have reached record levels."

 

[Jazny]

Holy ****ing shitballs. We're back to "this began on October 7th" again. Completely dismissive of all events and history that have been explained ad nauseam.

Reset button must have been hit again.

When did the Israel - Hamas war that has seen the loss of ~46,000 Palestinians begin?

Hamas launched an unjustifiable atrocity against Israel on October 7th 2023, correct?