Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




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If you feel sad, this is the best.

 

[faible]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cabinet-meeting-on-hostage-deal-delayed-for-final-details-from-qatar-and-as-pm-waits-to-hear-if-smotrich-will-resign-report/

Also delayed waiting for Smotrich to decide what his party will do

A security cabinet meeting on approving the hostage-ceasefire deal has been delayed until later today, Hebrew media reports, as negotiators in Qatar are said to be working on ironing out the final details of the agreement.

According to the Kan public broadcaster, the cabinet meeting, which was expected to take place at 11 a.m., has also been delayed by the Religious Zionism party’s ongoing deliberations about its future in the governing coalition.

The report adds that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will not convene the cabinet until Religious Zionism chair Bezalel Smotrich gives him an answer as to whether or not his party will resign in protest.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

We've seen plenty of videos on social media that look like genocide, and videos of Israeli politicians inciting genocidal acts.
Jazny digging for technicalities in one sentence of one judges' words, while ignoring all the words from the rest of the bench doesn't change that.

The amount of evidence that South Africa has presented to the ICJ is overwhelming.

Yeah I don’t doubt you but you can curate social media videos and politicians statements to suggest anything. I mean presumably there’s a lot of videos of IDF behaving decently as well and Israeli politicians who are appalled by calls for genocide. And why are they so ridiculously useless at genocide? It doesn’t make any strategic sense, like none? How does it? I’m completely open to suggestions.

It’s like some bloke who was banging on here recently about Bob Carr and a few others saying the Jews control the media as incontrovertible evidence of it. Notwithstanding the hundreds of other politicians, former officials etc who either haven’t said that or have actively disagreed with it. Now Bob might be right but in and of itself it’s hardly bloody convincing is it.

I assume you’ve met Israelis. I have and to be honest they were real pricks in a meeting asking for things we were never gonna give. Reminded me of the South Koreans actually, direct and a little bit crazy. Living in a state of existential threat will do that to you. Something I learned from those experiences are how those societies are incredibly shaped by those threats (Palestinians/Israelis/South or North Koreans) and that anyone judging them from a position of Western comfort is just silly. It’s like the tributes fighting to the death in the arena in The Hunger Games while the pampered affected elites in the Capital watch on secure in their opinions and prejudices.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yeah I don’t doubt you but you can curate social media videos and politicians statements to suggest anything. I mean presumably there’s a lot of videos of IDF behaving decently as well and Israeli politicians who are appalled by calls for genocide. And why are they so ridiculously useless at genocide? It doesn’t make any strategic sense, like none? How does it? I’m completely open to suggestions.

It’s like some bloke who was banging on here recently about Bob Carr and a few others saying the Jews control the media as incontrovertible evidence of it. Notwithstanding the hundreds of other politicians, former officials etc who either haven’t said that or have actively disagreed with it. Now Bob might be right but in and of itself it’s hardly bloody convincing is it.

I assume you’ve met Israelis. I have and to be honest they were real pricks in a meeting asking for things we were never gonna give. Reminded me of the South Koreans actually, direct and a little bit crazy. Living in a state of existential threat will do that to you. Something I learned from those experiences are how those societies are incredibly shaped by those threats (Palestinians/Israelis/South or North Koreans) and that anyone judging them from a position of Western comfort is just silly. It’s like the tributes fighting to the death in the arena in The Hunger Games while the pampered affected elites in the Capital watch on secure in their opinions and prejudices.

Pretty sure Palestinians are the hungry ones, while the Israelis feast a few miles away.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Hilarious you are quoting Wikipedia over the actual published UN security resolution.

*

Actually a New York Times article champion.

Middle East Crisis: U.N. Security Council Passes U.S.-Backed Cease-Fire Resolution

The resolution laid out a three-phase plan that begins with an immediate cease-fire. Neither Israel nor Hamas has formally embraced the plan.

www.nytimes.com

You're really just full of shit, huh?

 

[DapperDon]

1. If the prisoners Hamas want released have actual proof against them they committed crimes then I understand not releasing them

2. If this is a stalling tactic from a known piece of shit in Netanyahu and Hamas have made no such demands then he should hand himself over to Hamas for all the hostages to be released.

3. Hamas and Netanyahu can all go in a sit cave and throw shit at each other until the end of time and let the rest of the people on both sides of the fence heal.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

Pretty sure Palestinians are the hungry ones, while the Israelis feast a few miles away.

So we’re the guys in the Capital feasting and the Palestinians and the Israelis are the ones in the arena. Do you see now?

Anyway time to get out of this toxic thread. Good luck to you.

 

[faible]

1. If the prisoners Hamas want released have actual proof against them they committed crimes then I understand not releasing them

2. If this is a stalling tactic from a known piece of shit in Netanyahu and Hamas have made no such demands then he should hand himself over to Hamas for all the hostages to be released.

3. Hamas and Netanyahu can all go in a sit cave and throw shit at each other until the end of time and let the rest of the people on both sides of the fence heal.

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

Hamas official confirms commitment to ceasefire deal

Hamas official Izzat el-Reshiq has said the group is committed to the ceasefire agreement outlined by mediators.
The statement comes after the Israeli prime minister’s office accused Hamas of backtracking on some elements of the deal to extract “last-minute concessions”.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So we’re the guys in the Capital feasting and the Palestinians and the Israelis are the ones in the arena. Do you see now?

Anyway time to get out of this toxic thread. Good luck to you.

No, because most Western governments are hand feeding the Israelis. Palestinians are blockaded behind the fence.

 

[faible]

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

We are not seeing any sort of leaks about Hamas going back on what they agreed upon in this deal.

What we are seeing rather is internal conflict within Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, specifically among the Religious Zionism Party.

This is the party of Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who has been threatening to bolt the coalition if this deal came to a vote, saying this was a bad deal for Israel, that his party would need guarantees that Israel will go back to all-out fighting … after the initial phase [of the agreement].

The party is holding its own meetings, saying that they are not going to vote until they decide whether they are going to leave the coalition. Members of this party have said that they are very likely to step down from the government and this is causing a lot of problems.

 

[Kurve]

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

If they both stepped down, that would likely bring Netanyahu down and Gvir said he wouldn't do that.

I'll be real surprised if they follow through.

 

[faible]

If they both stepped down, that would likely bring Netanyahu down and Gvir said he wouldn't do that.

I'll be real surprised if they follow through.

If I read the times post right the whole Party stepping down leaves Netanyahu with majority of 1, so he’s then very vulnerable.

 

[Kurve]

If I read the times post right the whole Party stepping down leaves Netanyahu with majority of 1, so he’s then very vulnerable.

They're on the cusp of this ending and getting their hostages back, there's real risks for Gvir and Smotrich if they're seen going out of their way to spoil it.

 

[faible]

They're on the cusp of this ending and getting their hostages back, there's real risks for Gvir and Smotrich if they're seen going out of their way to spoil it.

This seems to be a decent summary of where it’s at, doesn’t seem like there’ll be an issue with the cabinet vote when it eventually happens. Seems like politicking internally now.

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

Alon Liel, former director-general of Israel’s Foreign Ministry, believes the Israeli cabinet will vote in favour of the ceasefire deal despite threats from far-right parties to abandon Netanyahu’s coalition over it.

“Netanyahu has a clear majority in the cabinet … The first stage of the deal is guaranteed,” Liel told Al Jazeera.

However, Netanyahu’s hesitancy regarding the deal reflects his concern over the potential weakening of his coalition, he added.

While Netanyahu could maintain his coalition without far-right members Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, “he will become more dependent on moderate members of parliament”.

Liel noted that the second stage of the ceasefire deal – intended to bring a permanent end to the war – is far less certain.

“In 42 days, who knows what the region will look like,” he said.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Rubio who I think is giving indications of toppling the regime of Iran.

"I don't know of any nation in which there is a bigger difference between the people and the people who govern them than in Iran...In no way are the clerics representative of the people... its history and contributions it’s made to humanity."

"What can not be allowed under any circumstances is a nuclear armed Iran, what can not be allowed under any circumstances is an Iran that has resources and capability to restart and continue their sponsorship of terrorism, what can not be allowed under any circumstances is an Iran with a military capability of threatening and destabilising it's neighbours ... "

Also rabbited on about China controlling the entire world in 10 years. US really doubling down on the fear tactics to control their population.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Simply put until anything is proven to a legal standard Israel are innocent.

That's an awkward position to profess.

You might have to stop talking about rapes and sexual violence every second post, unless you're admitting you're hopelessly compromised?

https://archive.md/lTYu2

Israel blocks UN Hamas sexual crimes probe to avoid inquiry into abuse of Palestinians

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Zidane98]

Actually a New York Times article champion.

Middle East Crisis: U.N. Security Council Passes U.S.-Backed Cease-Fire Resolution

The resolution laid out a three-phase plan that begins with an immediate cease-fire. Neither Israel nor Hamas has formally embraced the plan.

www.nytimes.com

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You're really just full of shit, huh?

No, you are the bullshitter here champ

Fact - US tabled ceasefire resolution 2735 to the UN security council.

Also fact - this resolution was passed. 14 votes for - 1 abstention. 10 June 2024.

Also fact - the text states Israel accepts the resolution. Hamas is urged to accept it.

Also funny that you're always going on that the US is running things but are happy to ignore a US tables cease fire resolution.

You have no argument herd at all, I have the official UN 2735 resolution as my source. You have nothing but speculation from media outlets.

 

[faible]

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

Interesting

Israeli MP Avigdor Lieberman, who leads the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party, has accused Netanyahu of blocking a single-stage ceasefire deal that would have released all Israeli captives at once.

The reason for instead opting for a phased deal, according to Lieberman, was to preserve Netanyahu’s governing coalition.

“The prime minister didn’t want a single-stage deal,” Lieberman told Israel’s Srugim news site. “He personally briefed and gave very strict instructions to the negotiating team, and under no circumstances was he willing to give them a mandate to negotiate a single-stage deal for everyone.”

Lieberman added: “The fact that we opted for a phased deal is solely due to the interest of preserving the coalition. From the perspective of Israel’s security interests, we should have pursued a comprehensive deal and released everyone in one go.”

 

[Kurve]

Israel delays cabinet vote on ceasefire deal; dozens killed in Gaza

No pause in Israeli air attacks as Palestinians in Gaza celebrate truce that was supposed to start on Sunday.

aje.io

Interesting

How does a staged deal preserve his coalition? Even if it did, it only buys him 60 days when his term ends October next year.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

No, you are the bullshitter here champ

Fact - US tabled ceasefire resolution 2735 to the UN security council.

Also fact - this resolution was passed. 14 votes for - 1 abstention. 10 June 2024.

Also fact - the text states Israel accepts the resolution. Hamas is urged to accept it.

Also funny that you're always going on that the US is running things but are happy to ignore a US tables cease fire resolution.

You have no argument herd at all, I have the official UN 2735 resolution as my source. You have nothing but speculation from media outlets.

Never change

How does a staged deal preserve his coalition? Even if it did, it only buys him 60 days when his term ends October next year.

He will just break it, and the 'war' will continue.

I'm wondering here what Trump promised Netanyahu to get him to agree to this deal and I suspect it might be a US led attack on Iran.

He promised him that he can just start killing Palestinians again whenever he wants.

 

[Jazny]

Never change



He will just break it, and the 'war' will continue.



He promised him that he can just start killing Palestinians again whenever he wants.

What do you predict the next 12 months looks like in Gaza?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What do you predict the next 12 months looks like in Gaza?

It looks like Warsaw in 1945

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

This is inaccurate unless you are citing sources I haven't seen in which case I would be interested to see them. Based on the Haaretz article, they seemed to be specifically talking about people attempting to cross the Netzarim corridor. Are there other sources for this claim?

Does anybody have the link to the Haaretz article this came out of in December '24?

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I don't have the archive (non-paywall) link sorry

IDF soldiers expose arbitrary killings and rampant lawlessness in Gaza's Netzarim corridor

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www.haaretz.com

Then there's this one

Israel created 'kill zones' in Gaza. Anyone who crosses into them is shot

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www.haaretz.com

There is the +972 mag article

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets and the use of an AI system have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza.

www.972mag.com

Jazny Zeitoun is well north of the Netzarim corridor.

The Mida article from December:

He seems to be talking about the Netzarim corridor in the excerpt, the Netzarim is also where a Haaretz article claimed that the imaginary lines were shifting daily. I don't know what article you pulled excerpt from so I can only guess it was originally in Hebrew or Arabic? Where is the claim that the IDF is shifting kill zones randomly without telling people all over Gaza so they can shoot civilians and call them terrorists coming from?

A good source of info on the IDFs use of evacuation orders to engineer circumstances where they can kill civilians is Forensic Architecture's report on the Gaza genocide. (If they have any credibility after Zidane's brutal takedown )

Forensic Architecture

forensic-architecture.org

Detailed methodology for evacuation orders starts page 123.

https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/FA_A-Spatial-Analysis-of-the-Israeli-militarys-conduct-in-Gaza-since-October-2023.pdf

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I wonder whether we’ll see a flurry of attacks leading up to the commencement of the ceasefire like we saw in Lebanon.

You were right. Sources from Gaza reporting that civilians have been killed by Hamas, firing celebration rounds.

Any reason you linked a tweet from that poster, yet didn't link this other tweet from the exact same poster?

As usual, you post whataboutisms with other irrelevant posts. This is a tactic you consistently employ to seemingly avoid addressing accountability for Hamas atrocities.

As far as unhinged responses go, this has to be up there.

Israel have escalated their strikes on Gaza City as the ceasefire gets close, as they always do. I would post proof, but it's not allowed.

I can send them to you in a chat?

 

[Kurve]

He promised him that he can just start killing Palestinians again whenever he wants.

IDF soldiers expose arbitrary killings and rampant lawlessness in Gaza's Netzarim corridor​

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www.haaretz.com

They will never be allowed to do this again IMO.

There's going to be court cases internally for the next ten years and some of them will go to jail, IDF will be arrested for war crimes in countries like France when they're on holidays and think it's all gone away, in the past. War crimes don't go away.

Their soldiers are losing the will to continue, decent men and women in the ranks will never be the same again and some of them will suicide. Jews all over the world feel under attack.

Nothing good has come out of this, for the rest of the world it's like being forced to watch the death of humanity.

They're both to blame. Hamas for October 7 and Israel for it's response.