Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




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If you feel sad, this is the best.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

They will never be allowed to do this again IMO.

That's a wonderful post, and I agree with much of what you've said, but this part is unfortunately fantasy.

There is a reason Israel always insist on a phased approach with these agreements.

Already there are statements about refusing to withdraw from Rafah crossing, then continuing the war when Hamas refuse complete surrender.

PMO: IDF will remain in Philadelphi Corridor for first phase of deal

The Prime Minister's Office announced on Thursday morning that the IDF would not withdraw from the Philadelphi

www.jpost.com

Bibi has wedged himself a little here though - I think the world is starting to realise he has been recalcitrant on ceasefire proposals, not Hamas, so he might need to make this one stick. But then he will have to break it, otherwise it will be seen as a loss by a large percentage of Israelis, and the world's eyes will be on this agreement more than ever before.

Look for some provocation or excuse to renew hostilities in the name of Israeli self-defence, just as they have done time and again after they get what they want out of an agreement.

Trump will have his pause in the slaughter for his inauguration, but we'll be back where we are today within time.

 

[Jazny]

Wouldn't these be the Gazan workers that were detained from within Israel immediately after October 7th?

The conviction rate of Palestinians by Israeli judges is 99.74%, by the way.

I read in an OHCR report that 97% of those convictions are from plea bargains where the defendant has plead guilty.

If that's true, the conviction rate drops on the cases the judge actually considers evidence to around the same as the Israeli court system and far less than China and Russia and not too dissimilar to Northern Ireland and similar to the US in 2012. You can argue they only plead guilty to reduce their sentence, but it really diminishes the impact of your statistic.

For Israelis who attack Palestinians that figure is 1.8%. There are settlers who have murdered Palestinians in cold blood roaming and forming new outposts in the West Bank right now.

Source? I found reports of 3% of all investigations into settlers result in convictions, but that's not a conviction rate. The conviction rate is "is calculated by dividing the number of convictions by the total number of adjudicated cases and then multiplying by 100". Not investigations.

Obviously I agree that Israel is soft on their own soldiers and even settlers.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Wouldn't these be the Gazan workers that were detained from within Israel after October 7th?

So...hostages?

Source?

97 and 3 then, OK.

 

[Deliverance]

Rubio who I think is giving indications of toppling the regime of Iran.

"I don't know of any nation in which there is a bigger difference between the people and the people who govern them than in Iran...In no way are the clerics representative of the people... its history and contributions it’s made to humanity."

"What can not be allowed under any circumstances is a nuclear armed Iran, what can not be allowed under any circumstances is an Iran that has resources and capability to restart and continue their sponsorship of terrorism, what can not be allowed under any circumstances is an Iran with a military capability of threatening and destabilising it's neighbours ... "

****ing Americans. 70 years on from the coup and they are still the most destabilising influence in the region.

 

[Jazny]

So...hostages?

They aren't hostages.

97 and 3 then, OK.

What? That's not what conviction rate means. I have no idea what the "case opened to conviction ratio" of any country is. I assume 3% is low but that says more about the investigation process than the court system.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

They aren't hostages.

What are they?

What? That's not what conviction rate means. I have no idea what the "case opened to conviction ratio" of any country is. I assume 3% is low but that says more about the investigation process than the court system.

Ok

 

[faible]

Live: Israel's national security minister threatens to quit over ceasefire

Gazans celebrated in the streets after news Hamas and Israel had signed a ceasefire agreement broke. But fresh attacks from the IDF have left some people in the besieged territory wondering if they'll survive until Sunday. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

Seems Israel is ramping up attacks on Gaza, just as they did in the lead-up to a ceasefire in Lebanon

Aid agencies say strikes are ramping up in Gaza

Care International Country director for Palestine Jolien Veldwijk says a ceasefire deal would mean an increase in humanitarian supplies entering Gaza.

But with the deal in limbo, the biggest challenge for humanitarian workers is still security.

"My team is messaging about all the air strikes that are happening very, very close to them," she tells ABC's News Channel.

"The last one was just 500 metres from our guest house and office, and they have really ramped up over the last couple of days as becoming hopefully close to the announcement of the ceasefire agreement."

Also, in case it wasn't clear, Ben-Gvir really is the worst:

Itamar Ben-Gvir, the minister of national security of Israel, is appearing at a press conference in Jerusalem.

He describes the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas as "a terrible deal" and a "disaster".

He says if the deal is approved by cabinet, he and other members of his right-wing party will hand in letters of resignation to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

His party would then leave the governing coalition.

At his press conference, Itamar Ben-Gvir says the deal between Israel and Hamas is a "disaster" because it would result in the Israeli Defence Force withdrawing from the Philadelphi Corridor.

The deal between the two sides stipulates that Israel would withdraw from the corridor, which runs the length of Gaza, by day 50 of the ceasefire.

Israel's hardline National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has just announced he will resign from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government if it ratifies the ceasefire deal in Gaza.

Israeli media outlets reported earlier that the Cabinet was expected to vote to ratify the agreement on Friday, but there has been no confirmation from the prime minister's office.

"The deal that is taking shape is a reckless deal," Ben-Gvir says in a televised statement.

He says it would "erase the achievements of the war" by releasing hundreds of Palestinian militants and withdrawing from strategic areas in Gaza, leaving Hamas undefeated.

"If this irresponsible deal is approved and implemented, we the members of Jewish Power will submit letters of resignation to the prime minister," he says.

Ben-Gvir, whose departure would not bring down Netanyahu's government, urged Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to join him in a last-ditch attempt to prevent a ceasefire deal this week.

Ben-Gvir describes the deal as a dangerous capitulation to Hamas.

Smotrich has described the deal to halt the fighting in Gaza and exchange Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners as a catastrophe for Israel but hasn't threatened the quit the government.

Smotrich's Religious Zionism party earlier repeated its opposition, threatening to quit the government if it didn't go back to war to defeat Hamas after the first six-week phase of the ceasefire was completed.

Israel's minister of national security Itamar Ben-Gvir is also calling for a "complete stop" to all humanitarian aid for Gaza, including fuel, electricity and water, until all hostages are released.

He says it's an "irresponsible" deal, adding he would consider returning to the government if the war resumes after the first phase of the ceasefire.

 

[Jazny]

What are they?

Detainees.

Ok

 

[faible]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-january-16-2025/

Comments from Likud are concerning as well. Likud is Netanyahu's party.

Likud after Ben Gvir says he’ll quit over Gaza deal: ‘It’ll be an eternal disgrace’

After National Security minister Itamar Ben Gvir says his Otzma Yehudit party will leave the coalition if the government approves the hostage-ceasefire deal with Hamas announced yesterday, the ruling Likud party says, “Anyone who dissolves the right-wing government will be remembered as an eternal disgrace.”

In a statement, the party denies the far-right minister’s claim that the deal constitutes an end to the war against Hamas.

“Contrary to Ben Gvir’s comments, the existing deal allows Israel to return to fighting under American guarantees, receive the weapons and means of warfare it needs, maximize the number of living hostages that will be released, maintain full control of the Philadelphi Route [on the Egyptian border] and the security buffer that surrounds the entire Gaza Strip, and achieve dramatic security achievements that will ensure Israel’s security for generations.”

The deal is expected to be approved by the security cabinet even without support from the premier’s far-right coalition partners.

Sounds like Netanyahu's the one holding this up:

The Biden administration is said to be stunned by reports that Israel is planning to delay the implementation of the hostage deal by one day.

Channel 12 reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plans to only convene a cabinet meeting to vote on the deal’s approval on Saturday, rather than tomorrow. The report said there wouldn’t be enough time to hold both a security cabinet vote and a full cabinet vote before Shabbat on Friday, forcing the delay of the latter until Saturday evening. The government is then required to give 24 hours for High Court of Justice petitions against the deal before moving forward with its implementation.

Channel 12 says the White House is fuming over the decision and warns that the extra day could lead to further complications in the deal’s implementation.

 

[Kurve]

****ing Americans. 70 years on from the coup and they are still the most destabilising influence in the region.

Iran under the mullahs and their interferences with religiously motivated support for their proxies are a pox on the region.

The very existence of Israel as a land for Jews is intolerable and undermines their divine authority.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Detainees.

OK. That's what all the Israelis held in Gaza are as well then.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Iran under the mullahs and their interferences with religiously motivated support for their proxies are a pox on the region.

The very existence of Israel as a land for Jews is intolerable and undermines their divine authority.

Boy you're really setting us up for WW3 here. Guess there's no other way out.

One side has to be annihilated.

 

[Bostonian]

If you feel sad, this is the best.

More fake news. That's a Whippet, not a Greyhound!

 

[Deliverance]

Iran under the mullahs and their interferences with religiously motivated support for their proxies are a pox on the region.

The very existence of Israel as a land for Jews is intolerable and undermines their divine authority.

Hence the negative impact of the Americans. Secularism and nationalism had the chance to develop before the US interfered. Revolutionarues easily developed an anti US mentality after the coup and never aging wanted the same to happen.

 

[Kurve]

Boy you're really setting us up for WW3 here. Guess there's no other way out.

One side has to be annihilated.

Some scholars are suggesting that we're already in WW3 but I don't want to see the US make any military moves on Iran. Of course not.

The people of Iran should be able to rid themselves of the regime, with the will.

 

[faible]

Hence the negative impact of the Americans. Secularism and nationalism had the chance to develop before the US interfered. Revolutionarues easily developed an anti US mentality after the coup and never aging wanted the same to happen.

Both things can be true too.

Iran aren't good guys. Neither are Americans, despite the slew of Hollywood movies telling us they are.

 

[Jazny]

OK. That's what all the Israelis held in Gaza are as well then.

Nope, they are hostages. I think most were sent back to Gaza so I imagine the 1000 detainees mentioned in the document that weren't involved aren't those workers. But there might be some still detained in Israel.

Concerning you try and minimize the difference between people detained in a massive emergency security situation caused by Hamas, with random civilians taken hostage for no reason other than to coerce the Israeli government in an act of terrorism.

No both sides on this point. Hamas suck.

 

[faible]

 

[Zidane98]

He confirmed it on this occasion, not necessarily on prior ones. But that would be the mechanism by which Smotrich and Gvir can wield power.

Ghosty falsely claimed Gvir and / or Smotrich has veto power. I have no doubt these RWNJ would favor elimination of Hamas completely over any ceasefire.

The facts are they themselves do not have the ability to stop a ceasefire, no matter what they declare in public.


Smotrich & Gvir have as much say as their voting power allows.


Not even Netanyahu can wield veto power either.

 

[Zidane98]

OK. That's what all the Israelis held in Gaza are as well then.

Are we really reading outright terrorist rhetoric like this in a forum based in a democracy?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Are we really reading outright terrorist rhetoric like this in a forum based in a democracy?

United States isn’t a real democracy, what with the electoral college and all that. I think it’s some type of oligarchy.

 

[Zidane98]

Both things can be true too.

Iran aren't good guys. Neither are Americans, despite the slew of Hollywood movies telling us they are.

Neither Iran or the US are good guys.


The difference between the two is Iran declaring with regularity openly and publicly its desire to annihilate the state of Israel. All of its support for Hamas, via Syria (in the past) is geared towards assisting Hamas in terrorising Israeli civilians.


Iran has not made a single attempt to mediate peace in the region.


You might want to listen to what the Palestinian Authroity says about it who recently declared that Iran are not interested in peace for the people of Palestine but rathar are only interested in using Hamas as a proxy in their goal of destroying the state of Israel.

 

[Zidane98]

United States isn’t a real democracy, what with the electoral college and all that. I think it’s some type of oligarchy.

It must be a democracy if enough morons were allowed to vote for Trump and his MAGA nonsense!

 

[Jazny]

United States isn’t a real democracy, what with the electoral college and all that. I think it’s some type of oligarchy.

Explain the electoral college, GP.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Explain the electoral college, GP.

A group of oligarchs gather every four years to answer a multiple choice question.