Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




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If you feel sad, this is the best.

 

[Jazny]

A group of oligarchs gather every four years to answer a multiple choice question.

That went even worse than I thought it would.

 

[faible]

Yet another Israeli minister threatening to resign if the IDF withdraw from the Philadephi Corridor (note: not Israeli land) or the war isn't resumed:

I commit here that if, heaven forbid, there is a withdrawal from the Philadelphi Corridor (before achieving the war objectives) or if we do not resume fighting to complete the war’s goals—I will resign from my position as a minister in the government.

 

[Zidane98]

A group of oligarchs gather every four years to answer a multiple choice question.

"Make Oligarchs Great Again"


#MOGA

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Nope, they are hostages.

Even the active IDF members?

I think most were sent back to Gaza so I imagine the 1000 detainees mentioned in the document that weren't involved aren't those workers. But there might be some still detained in Israel.

Who are these people Jazny? You can't seem to make up your mind.

Have judges reviewed the cases of and approved the detainment without charge or trial of all of these 1000 people? Is that what we're claiming?

Concerning you try and minimize the difference between people detained in a massive emergency security situation caused by Hamas, with random civilians taken hostage for no reason other than to coerce the Israeli government in an act of terrorism.

No both sides on this point. Hamas suck.

You mean people detained en masse under the guise of security, but really to be used for future hostage exchange negotiations.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Yet another Israeli minister threatening to resign if the IDF withdraw from the Philadephi Corridor (note: not Israeli land) or the war isn't resumed:

Israel just openly admitting they will get what they want, get their hostages and then start killing again.

Why would Hamas agree to this at this point?

 

[Jazny]

Even the active IDF members?

Yes lol. Just like if the IDF randomly went in to Gaza on October 6th 2023 and randomly took Hamas members and held them on with grounds other than to make demands on Hamas for their safety or release.

Who are these people Jazny? You can't seem to make up your mind.

Have judges reviewed the cases of and approved the detainment without charge or trial of all of these 1000 people? Is that what we're claiming?

I don't think anyone other than Israel and Hamas knows. I didn't say they were the workers, I asked the question as I thought they might have been due to the wording of the document (taken on October 8th), but on further reading I think most of those detained in Israel after October 7th were returned, and I imagine any they kept would be kept due to some evidence according to Israel of them being involved in October 7th in some way.

You mean people detained en masse under the guise of security, but really to be used for future hostage exchange negotiations.

No, they were released without the release of the Israeli hostages. How embarrassing for you to keep equating these things.

Israel deports thousands of stranded Palestinian workers back to Gaza

About 3,200 people reportedly sent to war-torn strip through Kerem Shalom crossing in ‘deeply concerning’ move

www.theguardian.com

 

[Zidane98]

Israel just openly admitting they will get what they want, get their hostages and then start killing again.

Why would Hamas agree to this at this point?

Surely you can't be arguing for Hamas to remain in power.



There are allies that are prepared to assist governing Palestine upon the basis that it is a united entity under governance by Palestinian Authority. This is agreed by pretty much all international powers on both sides apart from the exception of Iran who have obvious motivations for propping up Hamas.

 

[faible]

Imagine reading the comments from multiple members of the Israeli government demanding the ability to continue to occupy territory, or resume attacks on Gaza, and decide 'blame Hamas' is the take home message.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Surely you can't be arguing for Hamas to remain in power.



There are allies that are prepared to assist governing Palestine upon the basis that it is a united entity under governance by Palestinian Authority. This is agreed by pretty much all international powers on both sides apart from the exception of Iran who have obvious motivations for propping up Hamas.

Thought my question was pretty straightforward.

 

[Zidane98]

Imagine reading the comments from multiple members of the Israeli government demanding the ability to continue to occupy territory, or resume attacks on Gaza, and decide 'blame Hamas' is the take home message.

Source please

 

[Zidane98]

Yes lol. Just like if the IDF randomly went in to Gaza on October 6th 2023 and randomly took Hamas members and held them on with grounds other than to make demands on Hamas for their safety or release.

I don't think anyone other than Israel and Hamas knows. I didn't say they were the workers, I asked the question as I thought they might have been due to the wording of the document (taken on October 8th), but on further reading I think most of those detained in Israel after October 7th were returned, and I imagine any they kept would be kept due to some evidence according to Israel of them being involved in October 7th in some way.

No, they were released without the release of the Israeli hostages. How embarrassing for you to keep equating these things.

Israel deports thousands of stranded Palestinian workers back to Gaza

About 3,200 people reportedly sent to war-torn strip through Kerem Shalom crossing in ‘deeply concerning’ move

www.theguardian.com

Don't let facts get in the way of stroies in this thread, you might upset some posters!!

 

[faible]

Source please

I've literally posted quotes from multiple members of the Israeli Government just this morning.

 

[Zidane98]

I've literally posted quotes from multiple members of the Israeli Government just this morning.

Go ahead and post a source where it says our goal is to resume killing, like one poster claimed.

 

[faible]

Go ahead and post a source where it says our goal is to resume killing, like one poster claimed.

So to confirm;

You want me to post a source, for someone else's claims?

You replied to a post I made, demanding a source. Now you're saying well actually, you want a source for something else.

 

[Zidane98]

So to confirm;

You want me to post a source, for someone else's claims?

You replied to a post I made, demanding a source. Now you're saying well actually, you want a source for something else.

Your post you replied to from me was asking proof of the very same claim. So yes, you need to back this up.

 

[faible]

Your post you replied to from me was asking proof of the very same claim. So yes, you need to back this up.

I need to back up a claim someone else made? Despite me not actually making the same claim that person made?

I also didn't reply to your post. I posted below it, they're not the same thing.

 

[Zidane98]

Imagine posters in here equating Hamas, kidnapping babies, elderly people during a terrorist attack where they went on a rampage of mass exctermination, sexual violence as a war crime to terrorise a group of people to detainees held after being arrested.


As is the norm these days such claims are never addressed by certain posters.

 

[Deliverance]

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Go ahead and post a source where it says our goal is to resume killing, like one poster claimed.

How long have you been working for Mossad?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Imagine posters in here equating Hamas, kidnapping babies, elderly people during a terrorist attack where they went on a rampage of mass exctermination, sexual violence as a war crime to terrorise a group of people to detainees held after being arrested.


As is the norm these days such claims are never addressed by certain posters.

What Hamas did was horrific.
What Israel did in response was horrific

Do you agree with both of these statements?

 

[Jazny]

Imagine reading the comments from multiple members of the Israeli government demanding the ability to continue to occupy territory, or resume attacks on Gaza, and decide 'blame Hamas' is the take home message.

Imagine if we could read the words of the most unhinged members of Hamas regarding the ceasefire deal. Anyone know where to find them on twitter? Do you think they would be saying "Yay! Finally peace with our friends and neighbours Israel who totally have a right to exist. I look forward to building our future together in peace harmony and equality. October 7th was an atrocity we are really sorry about that".

We know that one of their leaders Khalil Al-Hayya said in response to the ceasefire deal. He praised October 7th and said it was:

"The Battle of of Al-Aqsa Flood marked an important turning point in the history of the Palestinian cause, and what happened on Oct 7th in terms of military and security achievement will remain a source of pride for our people and our nation and will be passed down from generation to generation". They continue to want to

Imagine if the pride of your people was a mass atrocity.

I blame Hamas.

 

[faible]

Imagine if we could read the words of the most unhinged members of Hamas regarding the ceasefire deal. Anyone know where to find them on twitter? Do you think they would be saying "Yay! Finally peace with our friends and neighbours Israel who totally have a right to exist. I look forward to building our future together in peace harmony and equality. October 7th was an atrocity we are really sorry about that".

We know that one of their leaders Khalil Al-Hayya said in response to the ceasefire deal. He praised October 7th and said it was:

"The Battle of of Al-Aqsa Flood marked an important turning point in the history of the Palestinian cause, and what happened on Oct 7th in terms of military and security achievement will remain a source of pride for our people and our nation and will be passed down from generation to generation". They continue to want to

Imagine if the pride of your people was a mass atrocity.

ITT: No one supporting Hamas.

 

[Jazny]

ITT: No one supporting Hamas.

Where in my response did I say you or anyone else was supporting Hamas? I am responding to this take:

"Imagine reading the comments from multiple members of the Israeli government demanding the ability to continue to occupy territory, or resume attacks on Gaza, and decide 'blame Hamas' is the take home message.

Hamas are just lucky that the disgusting thoughts of all their leaders on the ceasefire are not all over social media. Even their sanitised speeches from key leaders are unhinged. Of course the take home message is blame Hamas. The reason why some Israeli politicians want to continue the war is because Hamas are so focused on destroying Israel, defeating them totally seems to be the only way to stop them from continuing their terrorist plans. Hopefully its not the case and Hamas can turn over a new leaf, but it doesn't sound like it.

 

[faible]

Where in my response did I say you or anyone else was supporting Hamas? I am responding to this take:

"Imagine reading the comments from multiple members of the Israeli government demanding the ability to continue to occupy territory, or resume attacks on Gaza, and decide 'blame Hamas' is the take home message.

Hamas are just lucky that the disgusting thoughts of all their leaders on the ceasefire are not all over social media. Even their sanitised speeches from key leaders are unhinged. Of course the take home message is blame Hamas. The reason why some Israeli politicians want to continue the war is because Hamas are so focused on destroying Israel, defeating them totally seems to be the only way to stop them from continuing their terrorist plans. Hopefully its not the case and Hamas can turn over a new leaf, but it doesn't sound like it.

Israel delays voting on or approving ceasefire.

Jazny blames Hamas.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Yes lol. Just like if the IDF randomly went in to Gaza on October 6th 2023 and randomly took Hamas members and held them on with grounds other than to make demands on Hamas for their safety or release.

This is based on your theory that an ongoing illegal occupation is not in fact a conflict?

Just a status quo of all Palesinians being permanent POWs, who aren't allowed to fight back?

I don't think anyone other than Israel and Hamas knows. I didn't say they were the workers, I asked the question as I thought they might have been due to the wording of the document (taken on October 8th), but on further reading I think most of those detained in Israel after October 7th were returned, and I imagine any they kept would be kept due to some evidence according to Israel of them being involved in October 7th in some way.

No, they were released without the release of the Israeli hostages. How embarrassing for you to keep equating these things.

But you admit don't know who these 1000 people snatched up the day after Oct 7 are, apart from they weren't involved in that event? You have no idea what the reasons for their detainment were, nor any legal process behind their continued detainment for 15 months.

Based on them being Palestinian, you are happy to call them all detainees, despite the fact they're about to be used in an exchange of hostages.

Your unwavering faith in Israel is admirable.