Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

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[Lunchlady Doris]

They don't look like Palestinian homes, they look like settler outpost shacks. Especially the second one.

It's really beside the point. The fact is these outposts are in AREA B - land that had been transferred to Palestinian control, and as Jazny said until recently was protected from settlement.

That is now out the window. Area B is open season, and Smotrich is using 'national security' as an excuse to create more settlements in B, and even 'archaeological' settlements bordering Area A.

At Least Seven Outposts Established in Palestinian-Controlled Area B - Peace Now

In 2024, for the first time since the Oslo Accords, Peace Now’s Settlement Watch team documented the establishment of at least seven outposts deep within Area B. Five of these outposts were established in the area known as the “Agreed-Upon Reserve,” located east and south of Bethlehem. Two...

peacenow.org.il

 

[Jazny]

Your post contained photos of Palestinian homes that were stolen by Israeli settlers. I know where you sourced the images from.

You'll really come up with any old nonsense to excuse Israelis from criticism.

Im getting my information about the area from Haaretz and NYT who have visited these areas and said exactly what I said. Some of them are buildings Palestinian herders used, others are outposts that the settlers made themselves. My post actually contained criticism of Israelis



Here's another one an Israeli built. Not sure if it would survive a moderate breeze.

 

[faible]

Israel's Ch 13 is reporting the three girls were held variously, in tunnels, apartments and UN compounds.

הוחזקו במתחמים של האו"ם: פרטים חדשים מעדויות החטופות ששבו | חדשות 13

יומיים לאחר ששוחררו משבי חמאס, רומי גונן, אמילי דמארי ודורון שטיינברכר החלו לספר על אשר עברו - וחשפו כי הוחזקו מתחמים של האו"ם, שהיו אמורים לשמש אוכלוסייה אזרחית

13tv.co.il

Zidane is big on quality of sources, I assume he’ll be checking out FDD.

Meanwhile, aren’t most - all of the refugee camps run by UNRWA? Given the scale of displacement being the majority of the 2.2 million Gazans it’s likely the people running the camps have NFI who’s in them.

Unless this is another ‘the UN is antisemitic’ thing.

 

[Deliverance]

This would be a story repeated for more than a million people sadly.

'Every house reduced to rubble': Gazan family's painful return to Rafah

Leila and Ibrahim el Arja fled their home in Rafah, southern Gaza, in May last year. This week they returned, amid a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, but what they found only added to their devastation.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Jazny]

It's really beside the point. The fact is these outposts are in AREA B - land that had been transferred to Palestinian control, and as Jazny said until recently was protected from settlement.

That is now out the window. Area B is open season, and Smotrich is using 'national security' as an excuse to create more settlements in B, and even 'archaeological' settlements bordering Area A.

At Least Seven Outposts Established in Palestinian-Controlled Area B - Peace Now

In 2024, for the first time since the Oslo Accords, Peace Now’s Settlement Watch team documented the establishment of at least seven outposts deep within Area B. Five of these outposts were established in the area known as the “Agreed-Upon Reserve,” located east and south of Bethlehem. Two...

peacenow.org.il

They aren't settlements, they are outposts. They are illegal, there is no running water, nothing. Some contain one person, another contains young settler activists, some in their teens. Places like this have existed in the past and Israel has gone in and pulled them down. Especially when the people in the outpost are involved in violence, so hopefully these ones won't last long either.

I was technically wrong. I said there are no settlers in Area B of the West Bank. There is like 20-30 maybe? Out of the 450,000 settlers that exist in all the West Bank. I should have said almost none. Or since I was responding to someone asking why the PA don't remove the settlers, maybe I should have said there are no settlers inside the area that the PA have full rights of construction over... at least as far as I am aware. Maybe there's one?

I am not sure if the PA have much power to do anything about the settlers in the agreed upon area.

 

[Kurve]

Zidane is big on quality of sources, I assume he’ll be checking out FDD.

It would be more polite if you tagged Zidane yourself if you want to know

Meanwhile, aren’t most - all of the refugee camps run by UNRWA? Given the scale of displacement being the majority of the 2.2 million Gazans it’s likely the people running the camps have NFI who’s in them.

Possibly but who's going to give Hamas up even if they knew the hostages were in there? It's probably a case of safety in pretending you saw absolutely nothing and keep your head down.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

They aren't settlements, they are outposts. They are illegal, there is no running water, nothing. Some contain one person, another contains young settler activists, some in their teens. Places like this have existed in the past and Israel has gone in and pulled them down. Especially when the people in the outpost are involved in violence, so hopefully these ones won't last long either.

That's what I said? In 2024 52 new outposts were established.

Between Sep 22 and Dec 23, 15 previously 'illegal' outposts were granted 'legal' settlement status. Havent seen figures for 2024. This is how cleansing and displacement of Palestinians works, it's a slow strangulation.

Hopefully you're right, I will keep you posted.

I was technically wrong. I said there are no settlers in Area B of the West Bank. There is like 20-30 maybe? Out of the 450,000 settlers that exist in all the West Bank. I should have said almost none. Or since I was responding to someone asking why the PA don't remove the settlers, maybe I should have said there are no settlers inside the area that the PA have full rights of construction over... at least as far as I am aware. Maybe there's one?

I am not sure if the PA have much power to do anything about the settlers in the agreed upon area.

I don't think the PA is going to do anything Israel don't want them to.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

This would be a story repeated for more than a million people sadly.

'Every house reduced to rubble': Gazan family's painful return to Rafah

Leila and Ibrahim el Arja fled their home in Rafah, southern Gaza, in May last year. This week they returned, amid a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, but what they found only added to their devastation.

www.abc.net.au

Thanks to 'soldiers' like this.

 

[Deliverance]

Thanks to 'soldiers' like this.

Savages

 

[Kurve]

It would be more polite if you tagged Zidane yourself if you want to know



Possibly but who's going to give Hamas up even if they knew the hostages were in there? It's probably a case of safety in pretending you saw absolutely nothing and keep your head down.

An article by Palestinian journalist Abd Al-Bari Fayyad, "Sednaya [Prison] and Gaza's Prisons – Two Sides of the Same Coin,"

"Amid our joy over the liberation of the people of Syria, we discovered a series of videos [that showed] Palestinians in Hamas's prisons being tortured with the same barbarity that was employed by the Assad regime before its downfall... Looking at both sides, we find a chilling resemblance between the Assad regime in Syria and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Despite Hamas' claim that it cares about the people [of Gaza], the facts show that the opposite is true. Hamas' behavior proves that it is disconnected from reality, living on another planet, as if the daily massacres [in Gaza] are none of its concern. Hamas breaks limbs, causes pain and inflicts suffering on those [Gazans] whom the occupation has not harmed. Furthermore, Hamas and its media have many pre-prepared accusations [that they bring against people] to justify this barbarity, which cannot be justified.

Palestinian Journalist: There Is Great Similarity Between Hamas' Barbaric Rule In Gaza And The Deposed Assad Regime In Syria

In a December 17, 2024 article titled "Sednaya [Prison] and Gaza's Prisons – Two Sides of the Same Coin," Palestinian journalist Abd Al-Bari Fayyad wrote that there is great similarity between the barbarity employed by Hamas against its opponents and the horrific torture methods that were...

www.memri.org

 

[Deliverance]

It will be interesting to see if Israel and the US can destroy the ICC now.

 

[Kurve]

It will be interesting to see if Israel and the US can destroy the ICC now.

Probably not ultimately but even if US sanctions on the ICC obstruct efforts to pursue Netanyahu and Gallant, they won’t be protected from prosecution in other countries' courts.

 

[faible]

Probably not ultimately but even if US sanctions on the ICC obstruct efforts to pursue Netanyahu and Gallant, they won’t be protected from prosecution in other countries' courts.

Can't wait for the Government of Ireland to be added to the list of sanctions by the US alongside the ICC.

What a time to be alive.

 

[Kurve]

Can't wait for the Government of Ireland to be added to the list of sanctions by the US alongside the ICC.

What a time to be alive.

They'd have to go to Ireland first, I doubt it's on their list of places to see moving forward. Germany might have more luck if they kept the plans quiet.

 

[faible]

An article by Palestinian journalist Abd Al-Bari Fayyad, "Sednaya [Prison] and Gaza's Prisons – Two Sides of the Same Coin,"

"Amid our joy over the liberation of the people of Syria, we discovered a series of videos [that showed] Palestinians in Hamas's prisons being tortured with the same barbarity that was employed by the Assad regime before its downfall... Looking at both sides, we find a chilling resemblance between the Assad regime in Syria and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Despite Hamas' claim that it cares about the people [of Gaza], the facts show that the opposite is true. Hamas' behavior proves that it is disconnected from reality, living on another planet, as if the daily massacres [in Gaza] are none of its concern. Hamas breaks limbs, causes pain and inflicts suffering on those [Gazans] whom the occupation has not harmed. Furthermore, Hamas and its media have many pre-prepared accusations [that they bring against people] to justify this barbarity, which cannot be justified.

Palestinian Journalist: There Is Great Similarity Between Hamas' Barbaric Rule In Gaza And The Deposed Assad Regime In Syria

In a December 17, 2024 article titled "Sednaya [Prison] and Gaza's Prisons – Two Sides of the Same Coin," Palestinian journalist Abd Al-Bari Fayyad wrote that there is great similarity between the barbarity employed by Hamas against its opponents and the horrific torture methods that were...

www.memri.org

No one has ever argued Hamas are good people, so this isn't a surprise by any means.

I don't mind the UAE proposal; they've got their issues but have been pretty stable for a while now, and have strong relationships with most parties, it would give Palestinian people a chance.

 

[Kurve]

No one has ever argued Hamas are good people, so this isn't a surprise by any means.

I'm quite sure this would surprise some.

 

[Zidane98]

Hamas openly executing Palestinian civilians in Gaza strip. Reportedly 10 in one day.





There are also videos of this circulating but I will not publish those here.

 

[Zidane98]

UAE proposal sounds promising. Although IMO it would be better if the Arab league as a whole was responsible for governance alongside PA with a view to creating a fully functioning independent Palestinian state.

 

[Zidane98]

This is a translation from the Qassam brigades telegram page:



Now that the ceasefire is in effect who is going to protect civilians in Gaza from being executed simply for being in contact with IDF?

 

[Zidane98]

Propaganda video made by Hamas on last hostage release




I'd imagine this sort of propaganda using innocent civilian hostages would amount to a war crime.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Will the UN and the ICC actually listen the hostages’ accounts of the last 15 months?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Will the UN and the ICC actually listen the hostages’ accounts of the last 15 months?

Didn't Israel refuse them access on multiple occasions?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Will the UN and the ICC actually listen the hostages’ accounts of the last 15 months?

What a vague complaint. What did they not listen to? Which parts of the accounts stood out to you?

Are you saying the accounts of the hostages should cause the ICC to look the other way when Israeli commit war crimes?

Will Bibi allow them to tell their stories? They got in a lot of trouble before they got gagged.



Naama Levy is to be released shortly, will be interesting to hear her account as the video of her on Oct 7 was supposedly proof that she'd been r*ped.

 

[Kurve]

What a vague complaint. What did they not listen to? Which parts of the accounts stood out to you?

Are you saying the accounts of the hostages should cause the ICC to look the other way when Israeli commit war crimes?

Will Bibi allow them to tell their stories? They got in a lot of trouble before they got gagged.



Naama Levy is to be released shortly, will be interesting to hear her account as the video of her on Oct 7 was supposedly proof that she'd been r*ped.

They still have her husband. If terrorists had mine, I'd be very careful about what I said until he'd been released. Aside, the hostages were not all held together and I'm sure their experiences are all going to be different.

Nobody's saying all the hostages were sexually assaulted in captivity either.

My position would be that it's not anybody's business. If the victims want to speak out publicly they can, many probably won't with their names and testimony protected.

Don't forget there's a warrant for Deif for crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence.

If it was me, I wouldn't be telling the world and I'd probably lie to my family about it. I wouldn't want it in their heads. Testifying on condition my name and testimony was suppressed.

 

[ZEV]

MNaama Levy is to be released shortly, will be interesting to hear her account as the video of her on Oct 7 was supposedly proof that she'd been r*ped.

I think when you reach a level of thinking like this maybe you need to reassess your twisted world views.