Roast We are bottom!

[CamTinley]

Rubbish. Besides Andrew Gaff looked pretty damn good last night and I believe Darling was picked up with a priority pick.

Does anyone care that West Coast won the spoon last year anymore? Of course not. A lot of people here need to get over it. Those claiming that Bay 13 will be unbearable is quite frankly embarassing on their part. I'm guessing (hoping) it's just a symptom of their younger age.

We need the best picks possible. Anyone who can't see that is just deluded.

My interpretation of the underlined bit above, is that winning The Spoon is OK. That might not be what that particular BF poster meant but that is certainly how I read it.

 

[Northalives]

I don't care about picks I just don't want the spoon .....I do t care what picks we get....


Yeah we are on a rebuild that doesn't mean shit to me I don't want the spoon....


I love this club never will I ever question my loyalty though they really do test me at times but we can rebuild without a spoon ....

Absa **** ing lutely !!!
NO SPOON !!!

 

[PAFCsince1870]

I'm amazed that there aren't more Port supporters who share your opinion.

I'm not a Port supporter but Port doesn't want to start developing a culture where winning the Wooden Spoon is seen as the answer to your problems.

What's the alternative? Win a couple of extra games fielding our "best 22", finish 13th and get pick 12 and another pick in thirties? Not to mention throwing away a possible pick 1 next season?

Don't make me laugh bringing up culture. Does winning a wooden spoon seem to be affecting sides like Hawthorn, Carlton, St Kilda and even Melbourne? How about West Coast?

No one cares that Melbourne won the spoon in 2009. No one even cares that West Coast won it last year.

 

[CamTinley]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

Good news pick 4 is looking the goods, bringing us close to having a prime moving midfield we so badly.

I'm over finishing last, it will help bring reality to the club to get it's crap together.

Who cares, every club finsihes last at some stage.

This is definitely has a "lets finish last" tone to it.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

My interpretation of the underlined bit above, is that winning The Spoon is OK. That might not be what that particular BF poster meant but that is certainly how I read it.

It's been proven by many teams that winning the spoon does not lead to a losing culture. Refer to post above.

 

[Spadge]

if i had the choice of finishing bottom and getting picks 1,2 and 3 or finishing second bottom and getting pick 100... i'd take pick 100 every time

SPOON DO NOT WANT

 

[CamTinley]

What's the alternative? Win a couple of extra games fielding our "best 22", finish 13th and get pick 12 and another pick in thirties? Not to mention throwing away a possible pick 1 next season?

Don't make me laugh bringing up culture. Does winning a wooden spoon seem to be affecting sides like Hawthorn, Carlton, St Kilda and even Melbourne? How about West Coast?

No one cares that Melbourne won the spoon in 2009. No one even cares that West Coast won it last year.

Geelong have never won a Wooden Spoon. There would be a revolt down there if they ever did. Melbourne don't care if they win Spoons. There is no comparison between the two cultures.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

My interpretation of the underlined bit above, is that winning The Spoon is OK. That might not be what that particular BF poster meant but that is certainly how I read it.

I'm amazed that there aren't more Port supporters who share your opinion.

I'm not a Port supporter but Port doesn't want to start developing a culture where winning the Wooden Spoon is seen as the answer to your problems.

This is definitely has a "lets finish last" tone to it.

You referred to Port supporters suggesting winning the spoon would be the answer to our problems. I don't recall anyone saying that, but feel free to read back through every post and let me know if I'm wrong. If so, I'll put my hand up and admit it.

It's not the answer to our problems, but it's also not the end of the world. For the record, I don't want us to finish bottom. Also for the record, I'm not a Fremantle supporter, but Fremantle doesn't want to start developing a culture of never winning anything.

 

[PAUR]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

According to this SANFL list below and my quick scan, we have only "won" one spoon at the turn of last century - I don't want to double that tally regardless of improved picks.

It really should be a motivating factor.

http://www.sanfl.com.au/files/_system/File/PDFs/history/premierships 1987-2009.pdf

 

[CamTinley]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

You referred to Port supporters suggesting winning the spoon would be the answer to our problems. I don't recall anyone saying that, but feel free to read back through every post and let me know if I'm wrong. If so, I'll put my hand up and admit it.

It's not the answer to our problems, but it's also not the end of the world. For the record, I don't want us to finish bottom. Also for the record, I'm not a Fremantle supporter, but Fremantle doesn't want to start developing a culture of never winning anything.

Fremantle already have a culture of not winning. That started very early and it's almost impossible to get rid of. The problem started when the club only employed/appointed Catholics to any important job and it has kept going from there. It was "snouts-in-the-trough" from the clubs inception. There are a few clubs that have losing cultures and it's not something you want to have.

For the record Port definitely doesn't have a losing culture.

 

[240volt]

4 years ago this September we was playing for a flag...now we are playing for the Spoon.
If you look back over the last 4 years we have had good enough picks to not be in this position, teams like North have had very similar picks to us and are light years in front of our team.
I honestly believe we are going to struggle for many years to come and the worry for me is how are we going to survive.

The AFL is committed to having two teams from South Australia but for how long will they keep putting there hands in there pockets....remember nothing lasts forever.

 

[powerful girl]

Terry Wallace had one of those

As much as they can appease supporters in teh short term I think they are a terrinle idea in the long term. A publically stated time frame usually ends up being either a cop out (in the early days) or a pressure noose around the clubs head.

I think the club is better keeping those sort of goals internal and adjusting them regularly as the landscape changes.

And did Terry Wallace get what he deserved??????? just asking the question

But I am not asking for every detail to be on the table but at least a blue print of what we can expect for the future and what the path along the way might look like.

And what is wrong with appeasing supporters in the short term, as well as valuable sponsors for that matter, and what exactly is wrong with the club being accountable in the longer term if no progress is made and no success achieved?

With or without a clearly stated plan, no success in the long term is going to put a noose around the clubs neck anyway.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

And did Terry Wallace get what he deserved??????? just asking the question

But I am not asking for every detail to be on the table but at least a blue print of what we can expect for the future and what the path along the way might look like.

And what is wrong with appeasing supporters in the short term, as well as valuable sponsors for that matter, and what exactly is wrong with the club being accountable in the longer term if no progress is made and no success achieved?

With or without a clearly stated plan, no success in the long term is going to put a noose around the clubs neck anyway.

Yes Terry walace did get what he deserved but only after years of failure.

Would you be happy then with the club coming out and saying that we are rebuilding and we anticipate finishing bottom 4 next year? Or perhaps more realistically we dont expect to make the finals? How do you think that will impact on our players approach to next year?

There is nothing wrong with people being held accountable I just don't think it needs to be made public as it makes it harder to adjsut and modify the plan as time goes on and leads to unneccessary distraction. Besides if there is no signs of progress and no success acheived by the end of Primus' contract there will be plenty of accountability there with our without a publically stated plan.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Geelong have never won a Wooden Spoon. There would be a revolt down there if they ever did. Melbourne don't care if they win Spoons. There is no comparison between the two cultures.

Geelong are on the precipice of a number of years at the foot of the ladder. In the past decade or so, where most have begun to accept the cyclical nature of the competition the AFL administration has imposed, Geelong have been successful on the back of great 1999 and 2001 drafts and a couple of lucky F/S picks in Scatlett and Ablett in which they paid a pittance for before the rules were changed.

Whether they avoid a spoon in the next 5-10 years is anyone's guess but they are a poor example as in terms of competition equalisation only the past 10-20 years is relevant.

Have you ever considered that maybe Port are the worst team in the competition? We have the worst group of 25-29 year olds in the league (partly due to our success 2001-2004 and the best player we had in that age group went to play for Hawthorn) and our youth has generally failed to come on whether it be by injury, or poor development which is not helped by one of the tightest football department budgets in the land.

Coming onto our board spouting that some posters are claiming that losing is the answer to Port's problems shows a clear misunderstanding of Port's position. Why should the worst team not get the best picks?

 

[FishingRick04]

Geelong are on the precipice of a number of years at the foot of the ladder. In the past decade or so, where most have begun to accept the cyclical nature of the competition the AFL administration has imposed, Geelong have been successful on the back of great 1999 and 2001 drafts and a couple of lucky F/S picks in Scatlett and Ablett in which they paid a pittance for before the rules were changed.

Whether they avoid a spoon in the next 5-10 years is anyone's guess but they are a poor example as in terms of competition equalisation only the past 10-20 years is relevant.

Have you ever considered that maybe Port are the worst team in the competition? We have the worst group of 25-29 year olds in the league (partly due to our success 2001-2004 and the best player we had in that age group went to play for Hawthorn) and our youth has generally failed to come on whether it be by injury, or poor development which is not helped by one of the tightest football department budgets in the land.

Coming onto our board spouting that some posters are claiming that losing is the answer to Port's problems shows a clear misunderstanding of Port's position. Why should the worst team not get the best picks?

Mate great post, I also recall in 05 to 07 I thought we were going to have this continual change of list that would keep us in finals glory and it's bee taken away, all successfull club supporters think this until the fall begins.

 

[silverfingers]

Me thinks it's time to pull the pin completely...

We deserved to join the AFL, but it was only ever going to work if done on OUR terms, ie - 1990 bid. Any other way was always going to be compromised and bound to fail.

Pull the pin time.

 

[FishingRick04]

Me thinks it's time to pull the pin completely...

We deserved to join the AFL, but it was only ever going to work if done on OUR terms, ie - 1990 bid. Any other way was always going to be compromised and bound to fail.

Pull the pin time.

wtf! are you serious, because we are bottom?

Hawthorn, Dogs, Melbourne, Freeo, Richmond, North would all be screwed lol

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Me thinks it's time to pull the pin completely...

We deserved to join the AFL, but it was only ever going to work if done on OUR terms, ie - 1990 bid. Any other way was always going to be compromised and bound to fail.

Pull the pin time.

FFS.

I know it is hard at the moment but pull the pin?

Some of our supporters really do need to HTFU.

 

[tribey]

Geelong have never won a Wooden Spoon. There would be a revolt down there if they ever did. Melbourne don't care if they win Spoons. There is no comparison between the two cultures.

They've got five of them, not since going back to back in 57-58 though.

The more impressive stat is that they haven't finished bottom-4 since 1986 when the comp was only 12 teams.

 

[powerful girl]

Would you be happy then with the club coming out and saying that we are rebuilding and we anticipate finishing bottom 4 next year? Or perhaps more realistically we dont expect to make the finals? How do you think that will impact on our players approach to next year?

There is nothing wrong with people being held accountable I just don't think it needs to be made public as it makes it harder to adjsut and modify the plan as time goes on and leads to unneccessary distraction. Besides if there is no signs of progress and no success acheived by the end of Primus' contract there will be plenty of accountability there with our without a publically stated plan.

Messages can always be delivered positively in the context of the plan, so as not to disillusion players, members, sponsors or supporters while keeping them abreast of the reality. One big issue from where I sit is that supporters are not realising pr accepting the reality and many are talking about wanting to jump ship and heads to roll etc, not a good sitution I wouldn't have thought.

If everyone, including players know that it is a time of rebuilding, it can have positive impacts all round, give young kids time to develop without fear of being dropped after one poor game and give older players a strong message that under performing, or poor attitudes (which by the way I think is a big issue, given some things I have seen first hand, but I will save that for another post) will not be tolerated and there is no place for them at this club.

IMO a strong communication plan is defintiely missing from this club right now, and is one of the main reasons for such discontentment amongst members and supporters.

There is no reason that a plan can't be adjusted / tweaked regularly, in fact it should be in order to continue to be relevant.

Do you think major shareholders of an under performing publicly listed company would be happy with the sit back and wait approach in tough times, I think not, so why should it be any different for a football club?

 

[Lionel Lyon]

I don't care about picks I just don't want the spoon .....I do t care what picks we get....


Yeah we are on a rebuild that doesn't mean shit to me I don't want the spoon....


I love this club never will I ever question my loyalty though they really do test me at times but we can rebuild without a spoon ....

Very, very well said. There needs to be more of this sense of exceptionalism! Some Port people here are acting like season 2011 is already over.

 

[Spadge]

Very, very well said. There needs to be more of this sense of exceptionalism! Some Port people here are acting like season 2011 is already over.

firstly i dont want the spoon

secondly have you watched us play?

 

[Lionel Lyon]

firstly i dont want the spoon

secondly have you watched us play?

Yes, and I saw some pretty amazing footy being played in the Showdown earlier this year. Why not again?

Port people have to get serious about recapturing that winning spirit, THIS YEAR. That's all there is to it.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Gold Coast up by 11 points at half time over Hawthorn.

 

[PortBrillance]

**** off hawthorn, rest all their players.

I just want to go to the AO match knowing that we can avoid the spoon.