Roast We are bottom!

[b0ydman]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

Even if we finished 16th, with only GC behind us on percentage, that would be the equivalent of wooden spoon for mine.

History means nothing, if your present performance doesn't sustain its aura. The fact that we have been a proud club has done nothing to maintain people's respect for us in the past 4 years. If anything, it may have accelerated the derision that we have copped from all and sundry during this period, even when we were finishing 9th or 10th.

If getting the wooden spoon enables home truths to be accepted, off-field staff to be given their marching orders, changes to be made to managerial staff and multiple delistings/trades, I can live with that.

We have to bring quality to this playing list. As I see it, that means we need a top 5 pick, and the first PSD pick at the very least. Let's also not forget that GC will have a stack of first round and second round picks this year, for all of those funny Simon Phillips type trades they manufactured in last year's trading period.

We really are stuffed.

bro. -119. remember

this club is full of individuals making sure they keep their pay packets to pay their mortgages

sorry, not my fault, blame him

this club doesnt make hard decisions

 

[240volt]

This is what you get when you draft a bag full of spuds and get a Bozo to coach them.
Get used to it!

 

[razza12]

these are the pick 4 draft picks in the last 10 years
2010 andrew gaff
2009 anthony morabito
2008 hamish hartlett
2007 cale morton
2006 matthew leuenberger
2005 josh kennedy
2004 rich tambling
2003 farren ray
2002 tim walsh
2001 graham polek

dont think winning a wooden spoon is worth any off them

 

[Andre]

Re: Do we finish with the Spoon?

You forgot the partridge in a pear tree!

We can't have any bird, we don't have anyone who gives a shit out on the ground.

 

[Jonts]

these are the pick 4 draft picks in the last 10 years
2010 andrew gaff
2009 anthony morabito
2008 hamish hartlett
2007 cale morton
2006 matthew leuenberger
2005 josh kennedy
2004 rich tambling
2003 farren ray
2002 tim walsh
2001 graham polek

dont think winning a wooden spoon is worth any off them

mmm Josh Kennedy, Gaff maybe

but in 01 Bartel was picked up with a pick 7 (Dal Santo 13) ("superdraft")
02 No one really worth the spoon that weren't in the top 3 picks
03 no one really really worth it '' ''
04 Lance Franklin at pick 5
05 Pendlebury pick 5,
06 Selwood pick 7 J Reiwoldt maybe if were pushing it?
07 No one worth it
08 Hurley at pick 5
09 no one really Butcher if he could kick straight
10 No one has proved themselves this yr

So there might be worth it, who knows?

But still lets try and send pick 4/6+ Kornes/Pearce/Westhoff for pick 3 (Wingard) and pick 15 (if we chuck in r PP)

very unlikely, but my team is sitting last were we will only get pick 4, i have to dream

 

[El_Scorcho]

I know it's been said but it's absolutely sickening that a spoon 5 years ago meant the two best kids in the country, but for ours we'll get pick 4.

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[aneale]

I know it's been said but it's absolutely sickening that a spoon 5 years ago meant the two best kids in the country, but for ours we'll get pick 4.

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actually given they could take so many 17 yo's prior to any draft, its actually about pick 24

guys like Hayden Jolly @ GC didn't even go in the draft.

 

[klem22]

The biggest negative this club faces is the intelligence to make something out of whatever will become available to us, going on past history we will suffer more sub standard decisions and choices that will continue to reflect for a long time yet. PAFC the spud factory of the AFL

 

[PAFCsince1870]

actually given they could take so many 17 yo's prior to any draft, its actually about pick 24

guys like Hayden Jolly @ GC didn't even go in the draft.

Rubbish. Besides Andrew Gaff looked pretty damn good last night and I believe Darling was picked up with a priority pick.

Does anyone care that West Coast won the spoon last year anymore? Of course not. A lot of people here need to get over it. Those claiming that Bay 13 will be unbearable is quite frankly embarassing on their part. I'm guessing (hoping) it's just a symptom of their younger age.

We need the best picks possible. Anyone who can't see that is just deluded.

 

[aneale]

Rubbish. Besides Andrew Gaff looked pretty damn good last night and I believe Darling was picked up with a priority pick.

Does anyone care that West Coast won the spoon last year anymore? Of course not. A lot of people here need to get over it. Those claiming that Bay 13 will be unbearable is quite frankly embarassing on their part. I'm guessing (hoping) it's just a symptom of their younger age.

We need the best picks possible. Anyone who can't see that is just deluded.

you need to look at GWS and GC's recruiting concessions to look at the fact that they have (and did in GC's case) stockpiled the best kids in the country before a name is even called out. Yes Port will get to call out #4, but at the point GWS have taken 20 before a name is called and then the first 3 of this years ND. Point being, these last 2 drafts are not only compromised by the fact that GC & GWS get so many picks but their ability to take so many out of the draft pool in the first place. The value of draft picks is much less than what they once were until we get out of this cycle.

TP stated that 5 years ago finishing bottom meant you picked the best 2 kids in the country, a spoon this year gets you pick 4 of who is actually in draft, not 'the best 2 kids' or even the from the best 4 kids in the country. Potentially just the 4th best available to now pick from.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Its all part of the bigger picture you see. We are setting up for a priority pick in next years "Superdraft".

 

[stacy25]

It's not fair at all you get pick 4. GWS will be getting so many top 10 picks anyway, #1 should still be going to the team who wins the spoon.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

you need to look at GWS and GC's recruiting concessions to look at the fact that they have (and did in GC's case) stockpiled the best kids in the country before a name is even called out. Yes Port will get to call out #4, but at the point GWS have taken 20 before a name is called and then the first 3 of this years ND. Point being, these last 2 drafts are not only compromised by the fact that GC & GWS get so many picks but their ability to take so many out of the draft pool in the first place. The value of draft picks is much less than what they once were until we get out of this cycle.

TP stated that 5 years ago finishing bottom meant you picked the best 2 kids in the country, a spoon this year gets you pick 4 of who is actually in draft, not 'the best 2 kids' or even the from the best 4 kids in the country. Potentially just the 4th best available to now pick from.

From my understanding GWS have 12 17 year olds on their list who had to be born in a specific 4 month window. Not to mention a lot can change in 12 months. Let's not forget James Sellar was a potential #1 pick as a 17 year old.

Of course pick 4 and a pick in the 20's isn't ideal in comparison to what you received five years ago. However the diminished impact these players will have next season in comparison to pick 1 & 2 will probably mean that we stitch up more traditional priority picks in a "superdraft" next year so it's not the end of the world, just a season or two more of pain.

 

[WHOME]

Re: Wooden spoon not a motivating factor

This is the worst PAFC playing list ever.
Without question their attitudes about 'winning' the wooden spoon, and their complete lack of any historical proportions makes me ****ing sick.

I'm with some of the posters here...****ing hate our current list, and their attitudes.

I really hate the club at the moment too.

Nobody should be buying any more memberships, merchandise, season tickets in 2012 until the club and team earn our support and finances again, however long that takes.

oh dear

 

[powerful girl]

I am just sad, this is not the club I grew up to love

 

[Portology]

I am just sad, this is not the club I grew up to love

Sure, but we was never going to be as dominant over long periods of time in the AFL as we were in the SANFL nor were we ever going to be as "local". We moved to the AFL, that was always going to change the club, OK, so what is it you want to see the club become now, realistically speaking ? Look at what some clubs were and what they are now, in today's AFL. Matty's clumsy comment about "humble" is part of the dialogue in moving on from Choco's culture of cosseting stars & trying to outsmart everyone. I see why Choco went that way, it was what he had to work with, he got one flag with it, but was that really a continuation of the SANFL mentality or just "Port AFL 1.0" ? And after that it became increasingly pathetic as reality ceased to fit his imagination. So Matty has to move us away from that to some kind of "Port AFL 2.0" and its bloody difficult when we are set up in our stadium deal so we can't afford to be a basket case for a few years, so that we can't afford to delist the declining-still-popular star or even the Matthew Westhoffs of this world a year early, most clubs have had to do all these tough things at some point and we're restrained from it. This "competitive week in week out year in year out" BS just gets you North Melbourne. Or the Bullies. Let North fans carry on as though yesterday afternoon's (great to watch) game means anything in the long run. They will still suffer 85 point floggings if they ever fall into to a PF (by lucking in on a broken side in a SF). At best it gets you Sydney (ably salary cap assisted to one flag, yet putting it all down to "culture"). Lists that now aren't going to win a flag for a generation, if ever.

Carlton, West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong have been basket cases, on and off field, all suffer/benefit from mad supporters who genuinely think they're going to win a flag every year, all, in one way or another are now financial powerhouses now who can ride out years of shi*ness. It's the correct response to "equalization": build up reserves to ride out ups & downs and allow yourself the opportunity to take risks. Pinching a star via under-the-table payment. Blind eye to borderline criminal character in "stars". Building the best off field *everything*. Punting on an untried coach, failing miserably yet still being able to afford to assemble an coaching dream team by poaching from other clubs. At least Geelong did it reasonably "honorably", totally engaging local government, business, community (and smart lobbying for grants). The Cows could have been on that list of superclubs but not until a change of generations and of that ****ed up "for all South Australians" mentality will they realize just how much the SANFL holds them back.

Not much we can do until we can spend some money, looks like the AFL is going to let that happen, but it's going to take a long time to rebuild everything that the SANFL nearly strangled into irrelevance. Keep buying memberships, suck up our ****ing big headed pride and we can go from Freo-the-basket-case to Freo-the-respected-contender-with-a-decent-list. In a few years. We have to tear the list down to build it up. Stop buying memberships as some ****s suggest and we go straight to Fitzroy-the-extinct-footy-club. The only thing you can do right now is to remain a mad supporter - of ours. Until our club figures out how we can get to AFL superclub status, here, in the unique environment we have to live in.

 

[bomberclifford]

Sure, but we was never going to be as dominant over long periods of time in the AFL as we were in the SANFL nor were we ever going to be as "local". We moved to the AFL, that was always going to change the club, OK, so what is it you want to see the club become now, realistically speaking ? Look at what some clubs were and what they are now, in today's AFL. Matty's clumsy comment about "humble" is part of the dialogue in moving on from Choco's culture of cosseting stars & trying to outsmart everyone. I see why Choco went that way, it was what he had to work with, he got one flag with it, but was that really a continuation of the SANFL mentality or just "Port AFL 1.0" ? And after that it became increasingly pathetic as reality ceased to fit his imagination. So Matty has to move us away from that to some kind of "Port AFL 2.0" and its bloody difficult when we are set up in our stadium deal so we can't afford to be a basket case for a few years, so that we can't afford to delist the declining-still-popular star or even the Matthew Westhoffs of this world a year early, most clubs have had to do all these tough things at some point and we're restrained from it. This "competitive week in week out year in year out" BS just gets you North Melbourne. Or the Bullies. Let North fans carry on as though yesterday afternoon's (great to watch) game means anything in the long run. They will still suffer 85 point floggings if they ever fall into to a PF (by lucking in on a broken side in a SF). At best it gets you Sydney (ably salary cap assisted to one flag, yet putting it all down to "culture"). Lists that now aren't going to win a flag for a generation, if ever.

Carlton, West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong have been basket cases, on and off field, all suffer/benefit from mad supporters who genuinely think they're going to win a flag every year, all, in one way or another are now financial powerhouses now who can ride out years of shi*ness. It's the correct response to "equalization": build up reserves to ride out ups & downs and allow yourself the opportunity to take risks. Pinching a star via under-the-table payment. Blind eye to borderline criminal character in "stars". Building the best off field *everything*. Punting on an untried coach, failing miserably yet still being able to afford to assemble an coaching dream team by poaching from other clubs. At least Geelong did it reasonably "honorably", totally engaging local government, business, community (and smart lobbying for grants). The Cows could have been on that list of superclubs but not until a change of generations and of that ****ed up "for all South Australians" mentality will they realize just how much the SANFL holds them back.

Not much we can do until we can spend some money, looks like the AFL is going to let that happen, but it's going to take a long time to rebuild everything that the SANFL nearly strangled into irrelevance. Keep buying memberships, suck up our ****ing big headed pride and we can go from Freo-the-basket-case to Freo-the-respected-contender-with-a-decent-list. In a few years. We have to tear the list down to build it up. Stop buying memberships as some ****s suggest and we go straight to Fitzroy-the-extinct-footy-club. The only thing you can do right now is to remain a mad supporter - of ours. Until our club figures out how we can get to AFL superclub status, here, in the unique environment we have to live in.

Good call. Top call. About bloody time someone said it call.

It's easy to support a club when they're winning.

 

[PAFC04]

 

[powerful girl]

Sure, but we was never going to be as dominant over long periods of time in the AFL as we were in the SANFL nor were we ever going to be as "local". We moved to the AFL, that was always going to change the club, OK, so what is it you want to see the club become now, realistically speaking ? .

I agree that we were not going to be a superstar club year after year in the AFL, it is a different game / business now, and I accept that.

But realistically, I would like to see a long term plan, clearly articulated with specific goals set for performance both on and off the field, with definitive time frames. Then we would be able to see how we are tracking towards those goals and assess those responsible fairly.

Also...I would like to see some passion and self belief from the players, that just doesn't seem to exist, and the losing mentality is setting in big time, and..... I would like to see the leadership group lead the team mentally. I have seen some stuff at the club at training recently that I just think is very ordinary behaviour from a group of prefessional sports people.

And if we have a clear plan, while we may not all agree with the details of that plan at least we would be able to measure Matty's success along the way and, remove any unneccessary pressure.

I think most supporters deep down are realists, but I also think it is realistic to expect more than we are seeing at present.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I agree that we were not going to be a superstar club year after year in the AFL, it is a different game / business now, and I accept that.

But realistically, I would like to see a long term plan, clearly articulated with specific goals set for performance both on and off the field, with definitive time frames. Then we would be able to see how we are tracking towards those goals and assess those responsible fairly.

Also...I would like to see some passion and self belief from the players, that just doesn't seem to exist, and the losing mentality is setting in big time, and..... I would like to see the leadership group lead the team mentally. I have seen some stuff at the club at training recently that I just think is very ordinary behaviour from a group of prefessional sports people.

And if we have a clear plan, while we may not all agree with the details of that plan at least we would be able to measure Matty's success along the way and, remove any unneccessary pressure.

I think most supporters deep down are realists, but I also think it is realistic to expect more than we are seeing at present.

Terry Wallace had one of those

As much as they can appease supporters in teh short term I think they are a terrinle idea in the long term. A publically stated time frame usually ends up being either a cop out (in the early days) or a pressure noose around the clubs head.

I think the club is better keeping those sort of goals internal and adjusting them regularly as the landscape changes.

 

[King_Tredrea]

personally i think as Port supporters we are not overly used to losing and the last few years has been a major reality check/ shock to the system. people suggesting that they want to "jump off" is ridiculous. yes the club is a rabble atm BUT that is when a club needs its supporters, not when its flying high winning premierships. keep the faith i say.

 

[brogan2motlop]

I don't care about picks I just don't want the spoon .....I do t care what picks we get....


Yeah we are on a rebuild that doesn't mean shit to me I don't want the spoon....


I love this club never will I ever question my loyalty though they really do test me at times but we can rebuild without a spoon ....

 

[CamTinley]

I don't care about picks I just don't want the spoon .....I do t care what picks we get....


Yeah we are on a rebuild that doesn't mean shit to me I don't want the spoon....


I love this club never will I ever question my loyalty though they really do test me at times but we can rebuild without a spoon ....

I'm amazed that there aren't more Port supporters who share your opinion.

I'm not a Port supporter but Port doesn't want to start developing a culture where winning the Wooden Spoon is seen as the answer to your problems.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

I'm amazed that there aren't more Port supporters who share your opinion.

I'm not a Port supporter but Port doesn't want to start developing a culture where winning the Wooden Spoon is seen as the answer to your problems.

I don't recall anyone saying that.

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Yep,

No way on earth do I want to win the spoon,

I couldnt care less if we miss a couple of picks and end up with 6? **** the spoon.