We can't hear you, Eddie!

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Err so we agree then

Already said I don't agree with the thread title. Given what Ed said re: racism/crowd behaviour earlier in the year, he would look like a hypocrite if he didn't make stand, so he has.

Well we dont really agree because of the slant you're putting on it, making it look like Eddie is covering his arse. Its not as if he made his stand to avoid looking bad, as you seem to be implying.

Its not about him. It never was. He just happens to be club president of the cheer squad in the middle of it.

 

[Falchoon]

I do not condone the abuse directed at Milne, but if anyone's to be accused of hypocrisy, it is Milne.

For those of us who have missed the article concerning Milne's complaining, do you have a link?

 

[bourbons]

Its not about him. It never was. He just happens to be club president of the cheer squad in the middle of it.

Back to the point I'm trying to correct a few pies supporters on - it was most certainly about him when he had a go at that bloke earlier in the year.

Ed tried to convince us it wasn't about him, it was about standing up to racism and crowd behaviour - when the truth was it was most certainly about him, about another supporter getting under his skin and him losing it for a minute or 2.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Back to the point I'm trying to correct a few pies supporters on - it was most certainly about him when he had a go at that bloke earlier in the year.

Ed tried to convince us it wasn't about him, it was about standing up to racism and crowd behaviour - when the truth was it was most certainly about him, about another supporter getting under his skin and him losing it for a minute or 2.

So we dont agree then. Nice spin trying to pretend we did.....

The supporter got under his skin because of his inccessant abuse with racial overtones and Maguire cut loose at him. It wasnt Eddies fault the tv cameras caught it and tried to make it something bigger than it was. He certainly didnt lose it....he didnt swear nor threaten the spectator. He gave him a good gobful though and good on him for doing so.

All old news anyway. Nothing that happened this past weekend will chance peoples fixed perceptions of what happened three months ago. If you disagreed at the time you still disagree now.

 

[Strahany]

So we dont agree then. Nice spin trying to pretend we did.....

The supporter got under his skin because of his inccessant abuse with racial overtones and Maguire cut loose at him. It wasnt Eddies fault the tv cameras caught it and tried to mke it something bigger than it was.

All old news anyway. Nothing that happened this past weekend will chance peoples fixed perceptions of what happened three months ago.

Oh that's right, because referencing crime or jail in a factually correct manner carries racial connotations against people of darker skin?

Eddie is the one who is racist making such claims and so are you for continuing to believe them, considering they have long since been disproven.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

It is easy to figure out.

Milne is a tool for saying what he said to Licca
Mick is a tool for calling Milne a rapist
Licca is a tool for having a go at Milne and telling him to meet him in the carpark.
Lyon is a tool for saying "what happens on the field should stay on the field" during the Roo/lovett incident then complaining to the Afl over the above issue.

The Collingwood fans calling Milne a rapist are tools and should be more interested in our team beating them.

The Saints fans calling Beams and Macca rapists and Didak a murderer are all tools as well.

All in all there are plenty of tools on each and every level of both clubs

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Oh that's right, because referencing crime or jail in a factually correct manner carries racial connotations against people of darker skin?

Eddie is the one who is racist making such claims and so are you for continuing to believe them, considering they have long since been disproven.

Old ground. Nothing this weekend changes peoples opinions of what happed in the Krakouer case.

 

[neroblack]

Oh that's right, because referencing crime or jail in a factually correct manner carries racial connotations against people of darker skin?

Eddie is the one who is racist making such claims and so are you for continuing to believe them, considering they have long since been disproven.

When were they disproven? Eddie knows what was said but it hasn't been repeated, and it hasn't been stated by anyone else...so why bring it up now? You don't know what was said.

Not sure how it is racist for Eddie to claim someone else is being racist???

Another thing, "factual" and "correct" mean the same thing. Just use one, don't try to sound smarter by using both.

 

[Old Spice]

What happened in the media forced their hands.

What happened was St Kilda gave it oxygen by raising a complaint when really they should have let it go through to the keeper, given the context.

 

[bourbons]

So we dont agree then. Nice spin trying to pretend we did.....

We agree that Eddie has taken a stand and is not being hypocrytical. Maybe not on his reasons for doing so, but that's something that you seem fixated on and is not the point of this thread in any case...

The supporter got under his skin because of his inccessant abuse with racial overtones and Maguire cut loose at him.

lol, you don't seem that unintelligent, so please tell me you don't still believe this? There was no racial abuse/overtones/whatever mate, just good old fashioned sledging that Ed couldn't handle.

It wasnt Eddies fault the tv cameras caught it and tried to make it something bigger than it was. He certainly didnt lose it....he didnt swear nor threaten the spectator. He gave him a good gobful though and good on him for doing so.

Not his fault the TV caught it - definately his fault to try and exaggerate what this bloke had said and not just own up to getting a bit riled by an opposition fan

 

[Strahany]

When were they disproven? Eddie knows what was said but it hasn't been repeated, and it hasn't been stated by anyone else...so why bring it up now? You don't know what was said.

Not sure how it is racist for Eddie to claim someone else is being racist???

Another thing, "factual" and "correct" mean the same thing. Just use one, don't try to sound smarter by using both.

They were disproven when the two statements made by the St Kilda supporter that caused Eddie's fury were quoted in various news outlets.

Oh and another thing, whilst "factual" and "correct" entail almost identical meanings, "factually correct" is not redundant.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

lol, you don't seem that unintelligent, so please tell me you don't still believe this? There was no racial abuse/overtones/whatever mate, just good old fashioned sledging that Ed couldn't handle.

I disagree. I'm allowed to.

But its old ground.

Why go over it? It has nothing to do with Stephen Milne or the Collingwood Cheer Squad.

 

[KissmeRobbo]

They were disproven when the two statements made by the St Kilda supporter that caused Eddie's fury were quoted in various news outlets.

Jusat because he didn't express it as well as you'd like doesn't mean the implication wasn't there

Unless you heard the remarks personally I fail to see how you can judge 2nd hand statements in a newspaper that aren't even verbatim

 

[Old Spice]

Ed hears some knob getting stuck into Krakoeur and gives him the word.

Some random Pies supporters give Milne some stick - and they wouldn't be the first club supporters to do so - and Eddie is to blame, despite his public refutation!

Some people are pretty hard up for things to talk about. Jesus wept!

 

[Strahany]

Jusat because he didn't express it as well as you'd like doesn't mean the implication wasn't there

Unless you heard the remarks personally I fail to see how you can judge 2nd hand statements in a newspaper that aren't even verbatim

We can get into a paradoxical argument here, as I could just as easily ask how you could judge the supporter's comments as racist purely based on something Eddie said, which there is no proof of.

The fact is, I don't know what was said at the time as I was not there. Consequentially, I sought to obtain as much information on the issue as possible. And, as everyone knows, there are two arguments. Eddie's version discussing how the comments were "borderline racist", and the viewpoint of witness(es) stating otherwise. Eddie provided no evidence to back his claims whilst there was support in favour of the St Kilda fan. Obviously, the evidence for the supporter is minute and questionable, howver it is evidence nonethless, compared to none whatsoever, so I am inclined to favour the case of no racism being present.

 

[neroblack]

They were disproven when the two statements made by the St Kilda supporter that caused Eddie's fury were quoted in various news outlets.

Oh and another thing, whilst "factual" and "correct" entail almost identical meanings, "factually correct" is not redundant.

Genuinely never saw them quoted, would like to see them if they're around.

 

[dan warna]

President Eddie had a near coronary several weeks ago when an opposition supporter allegedly besmirched the character of Pie, Andrew Krakouer. Yet when Pies supporters repeatedly chant extreme offensive and factually incorrect slurs at Stephen Milne on Friday night, we hear nothing from Eddie. You'd think he might come out and say the behaviour of HIS supporters was unacceptable and will not be condoned.

So fair call to make comments about krakour, millane, shaw, didak etc.

BTW i was, a while ago, reported and suspended from Bigfooty for stating facts regarding Millane.

Collingwood supporters are the real sooks.

 

[pies_this_year]

Shouldn't this thread be closed now? The OP has been proven to be wrong. I don't expect an apology. I love it how everyone screams at people like Eddie when they make a mistake/makes an outlandish comment, yet don't apply the same principles to their own life. People are so sad.

Anyway, as an aside. Why is it that the media require a news article every time Eddie makes an off handed topic. He was asked a question re the "yo mamma" case and his answer to that is a news article. wtf. WHO CARES WHAT EDDIE THINKS ABOUT THE CASE. I blame you bigfooty knobs for getting on your high horses every time Eddie so much as farts. Stop caring and it will stop being news.

 

[pazza]

You mean like sacking trouble makers from the cheersquad? Would that be a reasonable stand?

They only got sacked from the CS. AFAIK, they are still members of the club itself. And more than likely still attend matches too.

Wouldn't be hard to strip them of club membership and then have the relevant security companies at grounds informed that these people are not permitted entry.

 

[smiddaz123]

They were disproven when the two statements made by the St Kilda supporter that caused Eddie's fury were quoted in various news outlets.

Oh and another thing, whilst "factual" and "correct" entail almost identical meanings, "factually correct" is not redundant.

So two St Kilda fans make a statement and it becomes factual?

2 police officers made statements saying the Milne investigation was corrupt. I suppose that's factual too?

 

[smiddaz123]

They only got sacked from the CS. AFAIK, they are still members of the club itself. And more than likely still attend matches too.

Wouldn't be hard to strip them of club membership and then have the relevant security companies at grounds informed that these people are not permitted entry.

Do any other club strip rowdy supporters of memberships? Or is it just expected of Eddie?

 

[Strahany]

So two St Kilda fans make a statement and it becomes factual?

2 police officers made statements saying the Milne investigation was corrupt. I suppose that's factual too?

Close, but not quite.

I never said that statements on what was alleged to have been said make it factual. If you re-read my post you'll find that I am inclined to believe the side of the argument with more evidence (albeit very poor) than the other, which, in this case, has none.

The re-opening of the Milne case cannot be regarded in the same manner, as both outcomes contain evidence of essentially equivalent value. The officers claiming foul play have not provided concrete evidence of any such occurrence, however their testimonies would have to be given some form of importance, being they are members of the police force. Conversely, Milne has the judgements made by other officers, proclaiming his innocence. These judgements would also hold precedence coming from other Policemen. People can speculate that the initial investigation was corrupted by the officers being St Kilda supporters, admiring Milne etc, however the same can be said in regards to the Policemen who asked for the re-opening of the case, who could despise Milne.

 

[Summer Nights]

President Eddie had a near coronary several weeks ago when an opposition supporter allegedly besmirched the character of Pie, Andrew Krakouer. Yet when Pies supporters repeatedly chant extreme offensive and factually incorrect slurs at Stephen Milne on Friday night, we hear nothing from Eddie. You'd think he might come out and say the behaviour of HIS supporters was unacceptable and will not be condoned.

 

[lihei]

As a Collingwood supporter surely you must acknowledge that although most are fine, you do have some of the worst supporters in the league when it comes to this sort of stuff.

The only other place other than from some of the 12 year olds on BF do I hear "ya jumpas the color of poo and weez" is at Collingwood games.

(Which is quite ironic since your jumper is the color of birdshit )

Sure, but Hawthorn would have a greater number of obnoxious morons as supporters.

 

[KissmeRobbo]

We can't hear you, Eddie!

That's because he's not talking to you