We were ripped off in Veale deal

[hecks99]

The bulldogs were surely ripped off in this deal. Why did the club trade a very high draft pick for a player that played VFL reserves, and also part of the deal was the Rawlings went through to the preseason draft. But why didn't we just keep the draft pick and use our first pick on Nick Stevens who is clearly a better player. Rawlings "the answer to our problems up forward" is clearly a better backman and a forward of limited ability. Veale will never play AFL in my opinion. We should have got stevens, and used pick 6 or three which we had to pick the best underage kpp available.

 

[stefoid]

go away you twit

 

[John Gent]

Originally posted by stefoid
go away you twit

Stefoid

Beautifully said. Succinct, pithy and informative.

On ly needs a - between away and you and the statement would have been perfect!

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by hecks99
The bulldogs were surely ripped off in this deal. Why did the club trade a very high draft pick for a player that played VFL reserves, and also part of the deal was the Rawlings went through to the preseason draft. But why didn't we just keep the draft pick and use our first pick on Nick Stevens who is clearly a better player. Rawlings "the answer to our problems up forward" is clearly a better backman and a forward of limited ability. Veale will never play AFL in my opinion. We should have got stevens, and used pick 6 or three which we had to pick the best underage kpp available.

If you dont know there is no point explaining it to you.

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by hecks99
The bulldogs were surely ripped off in this deal. Why did the club trade a very high draft pick for a player that played VFL reserves, and also part of the deal was the Rawlings went through to the preseason draft. But why didn't we just keep the draft pick and use our first pick on Nick Stevens who is clearly a better player. Rawlings "the answer to our problems up forward" is clearly a better backman and a forward of limited ability. Veale will never play AFL in my opinion. We should have got stevens, and used pick 6 or three which we had to pick the best underage kpp available.

Need to wait until the end of the season to work out if it was the best decision or not.
Nearly everyone here wanted height, mainly a key forward, and the club went out and got the best available.
My preference at the time was Stevens because I thought he was as good as Browny but I think Rawlings was also a great acquisition. Shame we couldn't get both. If Rawlings had agreed to a trade during the trade period we could have got both.

 

[blah..blah]

Re: Re: We were ripped off in Veale deal

Originally posted by OldSchool
Need to wait until the end of the season to work out if it was the best decision or not.
Nearly everyone here wanted height, mainly a key forward, and the club went out and got the best available.
My preference at the time was Stevens because I thought he was as good as Browny but I think Rawlings was also a great acquisition. Shame we couldn't get both. If Rawlings had agreed to a trade during the trade period we could have got both.

heard of the salary cap by any chance. Lucky to have got one of them in my opinion, Rawlings had a bad game let it go, he has kicking problems but hes not alone. Once they start getting some confidence and learn that they can play (last qrt against the roos) they will be hard to beat, I recon a couple of knuckle man (stuff it we get suspended for really laim things anyway just cycle though 2-4 players who just hit people and get suspended every couple of weeks the pretty boys especially Essendon get away with murder) more drive out of the centre and things will improve.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Re: Re: Re: We were ripped off in Veale deal

Originally posted by blah..blah
heard of the salary cap by any chance.

Yep. Heard about the fact we are only paying 92.5% of it the moment as well.

 

[mackem]

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Originally posted by localyokel
Yep. Heard about the fact we are only paying 92.5% of it the moment as well.

I think you'll find we now pay the 100%

 

[Captain Sensible]

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Originally posted by mackem
I think you'll find we now pay the 100%

I thought we were allowed to be, but werent at 100% yet?

 

[STARSHIPTROOPER]

Originally posted by stefoid
go away you twit

We finally agree on something. Stefoid. This empty head leaves the team blank in is profile something no self respecting Bullldog would do. Sorry but no fishh are biting.

 

[dogsbody]

I would like to congratulate all posters to this point. A thread headed "Veale" and not one gag.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Eleven posts and counting...

 

[STARSHIPTROOPER]

I cant wait to see him in a Bulldog jersey........ sorry.

 

[Westy_Boy]

Re: Re: We were ripped off in Veale deal

Originally posted by OldSchool
Need to wait until the end of the season to work out if it was the best decision or not.

I don't think there's any doubt we lost out (unless we win a flag in the next couple of years ).

The 6th best player in last year's draft will be a 200 gamer, Stevens probably has another 150 games or so in him, Alvey another 50.

With his knees Rawlings won't play much past 30, and next year he turns 28.

At best the club is looking at having lost 300 games of top notch footy from Tenace/Trotter/Waters and Stevens compared to Rawlings' 150, at worst, about 500 games (or 25 years worth) against 70 or so (3 years worth).

Rawlings is a gun and adds a hell of a lot to our structure and leadership group, but considering the cost, we'll pay for such desperate and shortsighted trading in the long term.

 

[Borgsta]

short term gain though Westy is probably the survival of the club. Without the Rawlings deal we would have been painfully inept up forward again and probably also would not be anywhere near competitive in most of our matches this year. We couldnt afford another year like last year, losing games by 100 points.

It is unfortunate that we are always in such a situation fighting for survival as I would have loved to have kept all the draft picks, much like the Saints done and slowly build a super side like they have.

 

[hecks99]

It would have been great if you could have got both stevens and rawlings. If rawlings wasn't so stuborn and did not want to play with the worst side in the league he would have accepted the trade direct to us instead of the delistable veale. with regard to out salary cap if we weren't paying over rated "loyal" servants of the club to much then we could have picked up the pair.
If these players and of dropped their wages by a couple of grand we could have got the pair and keep under 92.5%

Darcy $500,000 plus for playing well a couple of seasons ago
Grant $600,000.50 remember the fifty cents that kid sent him
West $650,000 over paid certainly
Smith $450,000
Johnson $450,000
Croft $200,000

 

[Borgsta]

stop trolling hecks. no one is biting

 

[hecks99]

what is trolling?

 

[Borgsta]

Troll
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[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by hecks99
Darcy $500,000 plus for playing well a couple of seasons ago
Grant $600,000.50 remember the fifty cents that kid sent him
West $650,000 over paid certainly
Smith $450,000
Johnson $450,000
Croft $200,000

None of those figures would be close to correct.

 

[Rookie]

Originally posted by Borgsta
short term gain though Westy is probably the survival of the club. Without the Rawlings deal we would have been painfully inept up forward again and probably also would not be anywhere near competitive in most of our matches this year. We couldnt afford another year like last year, losing games by 100 points.

It is unfortunate that we are always in such a situation fighting for survival as I would have loved to have kept all the draft picks, much like the Saints done and slowly build a super side like they have.

Exactly.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by Borgsta
[BI would have loved to have kept all the draft picks, much like the Saints done and slowly build a super side like they have. [/B]

Bit of a misnomer to say that the Saints kept all their picks.
They gave up good picks to get Hammil, Voss, Guerra, Gerhig, Brooks and Penny. They also gave up picks to get guys like Gram.

 

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by localyokel
None of those figures would be close to correct.

I agree but I reckon they would be close to the sums earnt by LocalYokel, Ching, Dry Rot, Gnome Murphy, Rocco Jones and Scooter600x

 

[Ching]

Originally posted by The Doctor
I agree but I reckon they would be close to the sums earnt by LocalYokel, Ching, Dry Rot, Gnome Murphy, Rocco Jones and Scooter600x

Too low for me
Doctors are well paid as well
What type of Doctor are you anyway?

 

[doggies40]

Originally posted by hecks99
Grant $600,000.50 remember the fifty cents that kid sent him

Im pretty sure it was only 20 cents.