Strength Weight Training: Anything and Everything II

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TheFreshBanana said:
Does assisted dips and pullups really help you get to a point where you can do so without any assistance?

Also, been doing much more sets of deadlifts lately, and I've noticed my lower back is sore. Now it seems stupid to google if this was normal or not, but I decided to, and apparently it may be a sign of bad form?

Entirely possible tbh, already researched and that rolling up the bar on your shin is definitely something I have not been doing when DLing.
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Yes they will, if you can't bench press 100 kgs does that mean you don't bench press at all? Of course not, if you can't do unassisted chin/pull ups or dips the next best thing is to train yourself with assistance to the stage where you can do them unassisted. The assisted dips where for the poster who is currently overweight and needs to avoid stress on his joints.

Also regards to the deadlift query, is it muscle soreness (DOMS) or a genuine muscle pain? That's the key deciding whether your form is any good or not. If you back is just sore from lifting the weight then you form must not be that bad, but if its a sharper pain and well feels painful then you have to correct your form.
 
Only problem with the assisted machines, especially the chin ups is that they help on the eccentric phase where you dont really need it. If you could create a machine that helps you up and lets you lower on your own it'd be perfect.
 
saj_21 said:
Yes they will, if you can't bench press 100 kgs does that mean you don't bench press at all? Of course not, if you can't do unassisted chin/pull ups or dips the next best thing is to train yourself with assistance to the stage where you can do them unassisted. The assisted dips where for the poster who is currently overweight and needs to avoid stress on his joints.

Also regards to the deadlift query, is it muscle soreness (DOMS) or a genuine muscle pain? That's the key deciding whether your form is any good or not. If you back is just sore from lifting the weight then you form must not be that bad, but if its a sharper pain and well feels painful then you have to correct your form.
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Sorry I didn't distinguish that I meant assisted by machine, rather than using the elastic band thing.

I've read the elastic band is better? That's what I was getting at.

I think it feels more like DOMS rather than genuine muscle pain, but we'll see how I go on Wednesday.
 

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BrockBlitz said:
Freddie everything Saj has said is great - youtube each exercise so you know what they are. It helps.

However, DO NOT TRY DIPS. If you are 120kgs and just starting out with weights that is a sure fire way to rip a pec or dislocate a shoulder.

Good luck with everything!
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lets watch our language we use here blokes - to say 1 exercise will surely rip a pec or dislocate a shoulder is simply no correct and it these types of messages that can plant themselves in the brain and be the major driver behind chronic pain

i don't use bench dips myself or with clients as they CAN contribute to shoulder issues through anterior gliding and mobility issues can be a big problem in simply be able to do the exercise correctly
 
TheFreshBanana said:
Does assisted dips and pullups really help you get to a point where you can do so without any assistance?

Also, been doing much more sets of deadlifts lately, and I've noticed my lower back is sore. Now it seems stupid to google if this was normal or not, but I decided to, and apparently it may be a sign of bad form?

Entirely possible tbh, already researched and that rolling up the bar on your shin is definitely something I have not been doing when DLing.
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with a goal of dropping wt i wouldn't really bother wondering how i can get to doing a certain exercise - you simply want activity/movement to expend calories/fat/weight

in that respect i wouldn't even bother with dips or pull ups and juts work those muscles with other exercises can do for higher volume because even if you do do assisted variations, you'll still only be able to do minimal volume for them

make sense?

and with the deadlift thing the best tip i can give is to keep a vertical shin which should pretty much put you in the correct starting position then you need to bring your hips forwards (not up) at the same speed as you raising your torso/shoulders up so they "meet" and form a straight line at the same time
 
WeetBixKid said:
The amount of deadlifting you can do depends not only on form, but also on bodytype. Those that are built to deadlift tend to handle a lot more volume than those who aren't.

Basically long arms = natural deadlifter short arms = more challenging

First step is working out if you should be pulling conventional or sumo.

http://www.reddit.com/r/weightroom/comments/25mery/how_to_determine_sumo_or_conventional_deadlifts/
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i'd say at this stage he simply needs to work on the basic hip hinge movement pattern (which doesnlt have to be actual deadlifitng), not worrying about things that don't really matter in relation to his goals
 
cptkirk said:
lets watch our language we use here blokes - to say 1 exercise will surely rip a pec or dislocate a shoulder is simply no correct and it these types of messages that can plant themselves in the brain and be the major driver behind chronic pain

i don't use bench dips myself or with clients as they CAN contribute to shoulder issues through anterior gliding and mobility issues can be a big problem in simply be able to do the exercise correctly
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I don't think I'm over exaggerating - this is a specific case of an untrained person who weighs 120kg. Attempting a body weight dip with no previous experience is extremely dangerous.

I love dips in general. I'd say they are my favorite of all the pushing movements - but in this case it would be very ill advised to start with them.
 
Hey guys, just checking in. I am now down to 116kgs. Apparently the next 16 will be the hardest.

I have decided that Mondays I am going to work upper body approx 30mins. Tuesdays Lower. Wednesday rest but still do cardio. Thursday upper body and friday lower. All days will have 40 mins of cardio. Normally I try burn 500 calories. And a bike ride to a from which is about 10 mins before and after. Weekends, I try and rest although having a 1.5year old is tough work to rest..

Right now I dont lift like the other dudes at the gym, they are monsters. It is my goal in a few months to try and hit the weights harder than now.

I also spoke to a guy at the gym today, he was telling me he used to be 140kgs and now has 8% body fat. Looked really fit, anyway, he told me he will never have a 6 pack due to his stretch marks, I dont care about having abs, I just couldnt believe him, is this true?

Thank you guys for all suggestions, keep em coming.
 
freddy mercury said:
Hey guys, just checking in. I am now down to 116kgs. Apparently the next 16 will be the hardest.

I have decided that Mondays I am going to work upper body approx 30mins. Tuesdays Lower. Wednesday rest but still do cardio. Thursday upper body and friday lower. All days will have 40 mins of cardio. Normally I try burn 500 calories. And a bike ride to a from which is about 10 mins before and after. Weekends, I try and rest although having a 1.5year old is tough work to rest..

Right now I dont lift like the other dudes at the gym, they are monsters. It is my goal in a few months to try and hit the weights harder than now.

I also spoke to a guy at the gym today, he was telling me he used to be 140kgs and now has 8% body fat. Looked really fit, anyway, he told me he will never have a 6 pack due to his stretch marks, I dont care about having abs, I just couldnt believe him, is this true?

Thank you guys for all suggestions, keep em coming.
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Hey mate, keep up the weight loss. I was VERY similar to you. At the start of last year I also started a diet at 126kg. I had a wedding at the end of October, which was a goal, but just wanted to not be fat anymore. So my wife and I started on Lite n Easy, more a lifestyle choice because we both worked 1.5 hours from home, work long hours etc. I started going to the gym, using the rowing machine for cardio and weights every scond session. I did not want to put on muscle size, just get some lean muscle.

So....the results......by the time by wedding came around I was down to 88kg and feeling great. 38kg lighter. But then, went on a 3 month honeymoon to Europe and the USA, eating out breakfast lunch and dinner. Come home a few months ago at approx 95kg. Am now back down to 91.5kg, even though I have been battling a bad calf for a month.

Bottom line, keep faith and dont lose belief if you have a bad week or two on the diet and exercise.

It is a great feeling when someone who hasnt seen you for a year sees you 40kg lighter!
 
Skeppersap said:
Hey mate, keep up the weight loss. I was VERY similar to you. At the start of last year I also started a diet at 126kg. I had a wedding at the end of October, which was a goal, but just wanted to not be fat anymore. So my wife and I started on Lite n Easy, more a lifestyle choice because we both worked 1.5 hours from home, work long hours etc. I started going to the gym, using the rowing machine for cardio and weights every scond session. I did not want to put on muscle size, just get some lean muscle.

So....the results......by the time by wedding came around I was down to 88kg and feeling great. 38kg lighter. But then, went on a 3 month honeymoon to Europe and the USA, eating out breakfast lunch and dinner. Come home a few months ago at approx 95kg. Am now back down to 91.5kg, even though I have been battling a bad calf for a month.

Bottom line, keep faith and dont lose belief if you have a bad week or two on the diet and exercise.

It is a great feeling when someone who hasnt seen you for a year sees you 40kg lighter!
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Ah nice, I am aiming to drop down to 87kg. I will be happy with 90. I am also wanting to put on some muscle due to my footy. But seriously thats amazing. I am more inspired by reading this. So 8 months 40kgs amazing. I am hoping to have dropped 20kg by Early September. I know its hard but I am on the right track. If I can knock off 2-3kgs a week as I have been I will be fine, but the more I lose the harder it will be.

Any tips you can give me? I have cut all soft drink and bad foods out of my diet. However tonight I went out for Dumplings with my missus tonight.
 
think long term - it's pretty easy to drop 1kg a month, especially at your size, for months on end like Skep did...don't aim for 2 - 3/week as that isn't, and won't be sustainable...so from now til sep there's about 16 weeks or 16kgs simply by sticking to your food plan long term
 

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Doing 5/3/1 at the moment - have made some awesome strength gains. Am having so much trouble getting deadlift technique right. I have watched 1000 videos and know in my mind what to do but my back turns to mush (rounding) when I start the lift. Have videos for evidence - LOL
 
Skeppersap said:
Hey mate, keep up the weight loss. I was VERY similar to you. At the start of last year I also started a diet at 126kg. I had a wedding at the end of October, which was a goal, but just wanted to not be fat anymore. So my wife and I started on Lite n Easy, more a lifestyle choice because we both worked 1.5 hours from home, work long hours etc. I started going to the gym, using the rowing machine for cardio and weights every scond session. I did not want to put on muscle size, just get some lean muscle.

So....the results......by the time by wedding came around I was down to 88kg and feeling great. 38kg lighter. But then, went on a 3 month honeymoon to Europe and the USA, eating out breakfast lunch and dinner. Come home a few months ago at approx 95kg. Am now back down to 91.5kg, even though I have been battling a bad calf for a month.

Bottom line, keep faith and dont lose belief if you have a bad week or two on the diet and exercise.

It is a great feeling when someone who hasnt seen you for a year sees you 40kg lighter!
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freddy mercury said:
Ah nice, I am aiming to drop down to 87kg. I will be happy with 90. I am also wanting to put on some muscle due to my footy. But seriously thats amazing. I am more inspired by reading this. So 8 months 40kgs amazing. I am hoping to have dropped 20kg by Early September. I know its hard but I am on the right track. If I can knock off 2-3kgs a week as I have been I will be fine, but the more I lose the harder it will be.

Any tips you can give me? I have cut all soft drink and bad foods out of my diet. However tonight I went out for Dumplings with my missus tonight.
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Great work to both of you. Freddy my advice would be to every now and then treat yourself but don't over do it, enjoy and eat your 5-6 dumplings not 20, simple as that.
 
drviccles said:
Doing 5/3/1 at the moment - have made some awesome strength gains. Am having so much trouble getting deadlift technique right. I have watched 1000 videos and know in my mind what to do but my back turns to mush (rounding) when I start the lift. Have videos for evidence - LOL
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I have found you have to have someone show you and critique your technique - once you have been shown it you sort of get a sense memory of how to do it
 
Lost another two kilos. What I have decided to do is with my cardio, I try and run 10kms in 10 sets, so 1km in about 7 mins, which is roughly 80 mins of cardio. If I can no longer run I jump on the bike and do the remaining kms.

I am currently doing shoulder press, bicep curls and tri pulldowns for arms. Chest I am doing bench, push ups and press. Legs I am doing squats, curls, press and calf raises.

I also joined a new gym, I am located in Melbourne so unaware if you know if it but I joined Derrimut Thomastown, MASSIVE gym.

10 dollars a week, no sign up fee, happy with that. I am aiming to be 115 kilos by Sunday. And then the next week 112. Setting small goals. Anything more is a bonus.
 
Switched from 5x5 to 3x6-8. Good change, feeling refreshed and trying to concentrate on my tempo and form.

Workout A: Squats, military press, pullups, tricep isolation and knee raises.

Workout B: Bench, bent barbell rows, Stiff leg deadlifts, face pulls, bicep isoation and dead bugs

Recovery is very meh since I started doing more running so I'm only lifting twice per week.
 
I'm 15 and I am training for football. I have been going to the gym for a while now and have concentrated especially on deadlifts and squats. Is there any other exercises i should be concentrating on?
 
WeetBixKid said:
Just received my CoC #1.5 gripper today. The step up from the #1 is perfect - closed it easily, but only 2-3 times.

Also into my final two days of a double smolov jr cycle [bench + zercher squat]. If I survive I'm excited to see what kind of gainz I get!
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Finished it a week ago. My body feels pretty wrecked. I tried some maxes & the results were a little disappointing - I think I bit off more than I could chew. Not bad though.

Squat: 165 to 175
Deadlift: 160 to 165
Bench: 110 to 112.5
 
gym4life said:
I'm 15 and I am training for football. I have been going to the gym for a while now and have concentrated especially on deadlifts and squats. Is there any other exercises i should be concentrating on?
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rows and chin ups but what are you doing now? surely more then 2 exercises but also more impotantly how are you doing them?
 
Hey guys. Dropped another 2kgs this week.

I saw a photo of a guy who used to be really heavy now he has lost 50 plus kgs and has so much saggy skin it actually looks worse than being heavy. After theee days of googling these images, a) will this happen to me and b) if so how do i avoid such a terrible side effect of weight loss
 

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