List Mgmt. Welcome Campbell Chesser (Pick 14, 2021 National Draft)

[dinnaz]

JB had no appetite for the contest. The two couldnt be more different imo.

Chesser the same. Is as outside as we have put on the park recently, and will be a non factor if put on ball despite everyone wanting a look.

Is pretty much as advertised right now, perhaps can be used off a back flank but doesn't have any real pace to burn.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

He just isn't really suited to the wing role and I think we are hurting his development by trying to pigeon hole him as a wingman just because he is fit and athletic. He's an onballer in my mind but for some reason the club see him as a winger...just like they saw Clark as one when he clearly wasn't then he was delisted. Same thing happened with Brander.

Maybe we could draft an actual wingman instead of trying to turn clear non wingers into them?

But he was drafted as a winger/half back supposedly.

Campbell Chesser

central.rookieme.com

 

[Hoskin300]

Which entirely highlights how lucky he is to get a game!

do you even know what you are rambling about?

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

I keep opening this thread expecting possibly some insightful analysis or tbh something other than car crash reading. I’m disappointed every time

 

[Feeling Groovy]

That's another fella, as I haven't been to a game yet. Plenty of us out there!!

Fair enough you don't rate him. It's a reasonable assessment, although I think people go way too early on young players and I see attributes in him that could result in a good player. But in your post above, to support your argument you said "There is no one in our section that rates him, apart from his athleticism. He can run".

How do you know this if you haven't been to a game yet? If it's from your mate who you give tickets to, it's hardly reliable, especially when others were talking about work rate off the ball, which you can't really see on TV (noting I only see him on TV too, so have no idea on his work rate other than stats, as I am outside Aus).

As I have said before, Chesser needs to get more of the ball. I don't think playing him on the wing is helping his development. In an ideal world (especially if we weren't rebuilding), he would be playing in a well-functioning Beagles team. Unfortunately, our Beagles team is once again a bit of a basket case and it seems the selectors know this, and think he will develop more in the seniors. I am not so sure on that if they keep playing him on a wing, but I don't question his ticker. More that he looks lost at times on a wing and has no idea when to go to the ball/man and when to hold off. When he plays instinctively (something our coaches seem to coach out of our players for some reason), he goes hard at the ball and man. He just isn't getting the ball enough and at some stage, selection integrity may require a change. That said, i still have hope and see quality moments.

 

[darksquare]

I know we have played him on the wing, and it's been suggested he run off half back or move more inside. But maybe he'd be worth a try in the forward pocket? Seems to know where the goals are, and it does tend to concentrate the mind when scoring is the primary goal. Fast enough to pressure the defence or to get a metre's head start running towards goal.

 

[WCE_phil]

I know we have played him on the wing, and it's been suggested he run off half back or move more inside. But maybe he'd be worth a try in the forward pocket? Seems to know where the goals are, and it does tend to concentrate the mind when scoring is the primary goal. Fast enough to pressure the defence or to get a metre's head start running towards goal.

He struggles to read the play, his mid sized opponent would likely just become the loose intercept defender and tear us to shreds.

 

[Jez1974]

Fair enough you don't rate him. It's a reasonable assessment, although I think people go way too early on young players and I see attributes in him that could result in a good player. But in your post above, to support your argument you said "There is no one in our section that rates him, apart from his athleticism. He can run".

How do you know this if you haven't been to a game yet? If it's from your mate who you give tickets to, it's hardly reliable, especially when others were talking about work rate off the ball, which you can't really see on TV (noting I only see him on TV too, so have no idea on his work rate other than stats, as I am outside Aus).

As I have said before, Chesser needs to get more of the ball. I don't think playing him on the wing is helping his development. In an ideal world (especially if we weren't rebuilding), he would be playing in a well-functioning Beagles team. Unfortunately, our Beagles team is once again a bit of a basket case and it seems the selectors know this, and think he will develop more in the seniors. I am not so sure on that if they keep playing him on a wing, but I don't question his ticker. More that he looks lost at times on a wing and has no idea when to go to the ball/man and when to hold off. When he plays instinctively (something our coaches seem to coach out of our players for some reason), he goes hard at the ball and man. He just isn't getting the ball enough and at some stage, selection integrity may require a change. That said, i still have hope and see quality moments.

Time will tell if he will make it. We will see in a couple of years. I don't see hardness straightline running atm. Those are in built attributes he doesn't have!

 

[Jez1974]

He struggles to read the play, his mid sized opponent would likely just become the loose intercept defender and tear us to shreds.

I believe we got dudded at pick 14 imo

 

[Jez1974]

do you even know what you are rambling about?

Yes he is average or below average atm and still getting a game. My question is why. Are we trying to tempt other clubs into trading for him. I hope so

 

[Dark Sharks]

He just isn't really suited to the wing role and I think we are hurting his development by trying to pigeon hole him as a wingman just because he is fit and athletic. He's an onballer in my mind but for some reason the club see him as a winger...just like they saw Clark as one when he clearly wasn't then he was delisted. Same thing happened with Brander.

Maybe we could draft an actual wingman instead of trying to turn clear non wingers into them?

I'm not disagreeing, but if the bloke was drafted as a Mid, he's certainly not an inside one.

If you recall his draft write up, as old mate posted above, it was all about how outside he is, with his deficiency's including contested ball and tackling from memory.

Something we all loved hearing at the time on draft night.

I personally think we've once again fallen into the stupid trap of drafting an outside half back, and are now trying to turn him into a midfielder/defensive wing gimp. Not ideal use of a first round pick.

 

[Jez1974]

I'm not disagreeing, but if the bloke was drafted as a Mid, he's certainly not an inside one.

If you recall his draft write up, as old mate posted above, it was all about how outside he is, with his deficiency's including contested ball and tackling from memory.

Something we all loved hearing at the time on draft night.

I personally think we've once again fallen into the stupid trap of drafting an outside half back, and are now trying to turn him into a midfielder/defensive wing gimp. Not ideal use of a first round pick.

Agree shit recruitment and persevering as not willing to own a poor high selection
There were better players there at 14. Yet we picked one who doesn't like contests or tackling

 

[MaxHunt]

I'm not disagreeing, but if the bloke was drafted as a Mid, he's certainly not an inside one.

If you recall his draft write up, as old mate posted above, it was all about how outside he is, with his deficiency's including contested ball and tackling from memory.

Something we all loved hearing at the time on draft night.

I personally think we've once again fallen into the stupid trap of drafting an outside half back, and are now trying to turn him into a midfielder/defensive wing gimp. Not ideal use of a first round pick.

Where's your mate Bond to set us straight on why he was drafted at 14?

 

[squashface]

I'm not disagreeing, but if the bloke was drafted as a Mid, he's certainly not an inside one.

If you recall his draft write up, as old mate posted above, it was all about how outside he is, with his deficiency's including contested ball and tackling from memory.

Something we all loved hearing at the time on draft night.

I personally think we've once again fallen into the stupid trap of drafting an outside half back, and are now trying to turn him into a midfielder/defensive wing gimp. Not ideal use of a first round pick.

That’s fair. He definitely has talent so if he is just a flanker then that’s fine - let’s play him there.

Wouldn’t mind a decent HBF these days.

My biggest point is he isn’t a wing at all - which is fine, wing is a hard position.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Where's your mate Bond to set us straight on why he was drafted at 14?

Got confused between Pick 14 and U14.

 

[Dark Sharks]

For all we know, his lacklustre start, for lack of a better word, is down to the stupid way we use our wings.

We've got to have the longest stretch of an unimpressive wingman in the AFL, for quite some time. Gaff was the last good one we had, and he was phased out of that role to play inside more in 2019. He defo wasn't playing the gimp role when he was elite between 2012-2018. Had it on a string, kicked goals, ran his ass off, always got involved, carried the ball, so much that he demanded a tag due to death by 1000 cuts.

This defensive/offensive dumb setup we've had with Chesser, Ledwards, Hunt, Sheed, Marsden, Brander, Brayden since Gaff... it's just shit. That's coaching and structure.


Release the handbrake. Chessers writeup says line breaking is one of his strengths, whether that's legit or not, it's time to let him carry the footy more. Get creative. It might unlock some of his natural skills a bit more giving him a less structured role.

And for godsake someone sack Jacob Brennan

Jacob Brennan

Age

34

Ht

188cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.6

4star

smh.

 

[Jez1974]

Not treated, traded!

Or both!

 

[squashface]

For all we know, his lacklustre start, for lack of a better word, is down to the stupid way we use our wings.

We've got to have the longest stretch of an unimpressive wingman in the AFL, for quite some time. Gaff was the last good one we had, and he was phased out of that role to play inside more in 2019. He defo wasn't playing the gimp role when he was elite between 2012-2018. Had it on a string, kicked goals, ran his off, got involved, carried the ball.

This defensive/offensive dumb setup we've had with Chesser, Ledwards, Hunt, Sheed, Marsden, Brander, Brayden since Gaff... it's just s**t. That's coaching and structure.


Release the handbrake. Chessers writeup says line breaking is one of his strengths, whether that's legit or not, it's time to let him carry the footy more. Get creative. It might unlock some of his natural skills a bit more giving him a less structured role.

The Gimp Wing

 

[Bender_]

Why the **** are you guys listening to Dark Sharks? Guy can't even get a reservation at Dorsia.

 

[Hoskin300]

Agree s**t recruitment and persevering as not willing to own a poor high selection
There were better players there at 14. Yet we picked one who doesn't like contests or tackling

Once again everything you are saying is based on zero evidence. His contested game is fine.

 

[Grahame]

Agree s**t recruitment and persevering as not willing to own a poor high selection
There were better players there at 14. Yet we picked one who doesn't like contests or tackling

So tell me - what do you think of Cripps?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Why the * are you guys listening to Dark Sharks? Guy can't even get a reservation at Dorsia.

To be fair, nobody can. Especially not on a friday




To add fuel to the fire regarding our wings.... Sharp is a specialist wingman, and Cockburn picked him up off the scrapheap for a packet of twisties. He had 28 touches and 2 goals tonight.

Can anyone imagine any of our young wingman getting numbers remotely like that the way we use them?

Sure Sharp is allergic to physical contact and probably still takesa bottle before bed, but that's an example a wingman impacting a game, albeit one they lost. He had 29 and a goal in round 4 as well.

 

[squashface]

To be fair, nobody can. Especially not on a friday




To add fuel to the fire regarding our wings.... Sharp is a specialist wingman, and Cockburn picked him up off the scrapheap for a packet of twisties. He had 28 touches and 2 goals tonight.

Can anyone imagine any of our young wingman getting numbers remotely like that the way we use them?

Sure Sharp is allergic to physical contact and probably still takesa bottle before bed, but that's an example a wingman impacting a game, albeit one they lost. He had 29 and a goal in round 4 as well.

Nah bro, wings are only good for guarding space - didn’t you hear?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I think Chesser may end up being ok, but won’t change fact that Johnson was the obvious, if safe, pick.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

To be fair, nobody can. Especially not on a friday




To add fuel to the fire regarding our wings.... Sharp is a specialist wingman, and Cockburn picked him up off the scrapheap for a packet of twisties. He had 28 touches and 2 goals tonight.

Can anyone imagine any of our young wingman getting numbers remotely like that the way we use them?

Sure Sharp is allergic to physical contact and probably still takesa bottle before bed, but that's an example a wingman impacting a game, albeit one they lost. He had 29 and a goal in round 4 as well.

Sharp is two years ahead of chesser, and when Sharp was in his 3rd year like chesser is now he wasn’t getting the kind the kind of stats he is getting at Freo.

In fact if you compare them both in their 3rd seasons, Chesser compares favourably to Sharp.

But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good melt.